Tom Jonas... How long?

[JackFlash]

I disagree that he took it well. In an interview he seemed to have no remorse at all, almost saying that what he did was his job for the team. Comes across as simply not getting it.

Really? I thought he was quite remorseful, mentioning the injury to Gaff and just stating that he will look at how he approaches the game in future. He's made a mistake, he knows it, let's not crucify him. He was lucky to get away with the one against Dangerfield earlier in the year. Now he's been done. If he slips up again in similar circumstances then ban him for 12 weeks!

 

[DemonTim]

Anyone who intentionally tries to hit someone like that knows that they run the risk of knocking their victim out, so it's basically the same thing.

The elbow was stupid, but he was moving very fast. His brain probably spent more time going 'ahhhh!' than positioning his body parts in positions that wouldn't get him suspended.

Of course he deserves a ban, but to call his actions intentional seems silly to me.

People really need to learn to read better. In no way does "intentional" mean he intended to knock him out, "intentional" means his intent was to make the contact with gaff. "Careless" would have been applicable if he was making a legal play in the game and as a result made contact.

If you think jonas' intent was not to make contact with gaff, then what was it? You don't spoil with your elbow, his arm would've needed to be fully extended to get anywhere near a spoil and you don't brace for impact with an elbow raised out from your body, that leaves you more vulnerable.
Just because it was a split second decision, doesn't mean it wasn't the intent. Intent does not mean he planned it for 3/4 of the game and finally found an opening.

 

[DemonTim]

If it's so black and white, why does it take them so long to decide?

My opinion is, from watching the hit, that it started as an attempted spoil, but as Jonas got closer and realised that wasn't going to happen, he instinctively braced for impact as he realised he was likely to crash into Gaff. Calling it a 'strike' does imply that the intention was almost exclusively to hit the player.

If you played you must've had broken ribs a fair few times. You brace with your arm close to your body so the brunt of the force hits your upper arm and not directly into your ribs. Raising the arm leaves you more vulnerable

 

[TheHunterCripps]

According to Whately and Robbo last night on AFL 360, Hall's 7 weeks for hitting Staker, and Jonas' 6 weeks for hitting Gaff show how far the tribunal has come in saying this sort of behaviour won't be tolerated.

Unless of course your name is Kade Simpson, and you get your jaw broken by Wellingham - 3 weeks.

Apparently the AFL's QC suggested to Jonas that he was lying when he said it was not an intentional act. Wellingham's act was deemed reckless and non-intentional. To prove non-intention Wellingham relied on the assertion that he didn't mean “to hurt him [Simpson] that much”.

AFL once again proves that the only times it moves with are the media furore times.

 

[marty36]

According to Whately and Robbo last night on AFL 360, Hall's 7 weeks for hitting Staker, and Jonas' 6 weeks for hitting Gaff show how far the tribunal has come in saying this sort of behaviour won't be tolerated.

Unless of course your name is Kade Simpson, and you get your jaw broken by Wellingham - 3 weeks.

Apparently the AFL's QC suggested to Jonas that he was lying when he said it was not an intentional act. Wellingham's act was deemed reckless and non-intentional. To prove non-intention Wellingham relied on the assertion that he didn't mean “to hurt him [Simpson] that much”.

AFL once again proves that the only times it moves with are the media furore times.

Not sure why everyone is comparing incidents as no report is the same so there isnt a precedent being set. The classic one, with you being a Carlton supporter would be the 9 weeks G Williams got for pushing an umpire aside that was getting in his face. I think Pickett got heavily penalised once also, throughout years of football there are harsh penalties and light ones but each case is different, there are similarities but not the same!

There used to be a case for an attempted strike where players were suspended!

 

[FatPizza]

According to Whately and Robbo last night on AFL 360, Hall's 7 weeks for hitting Staker, and Jonas' 6 weeks for hitting Gaff show how far the tribunal has come in saying this sort of behaviour won't be tolerated.

Unless of course your name is Kade Simpson, and you get your jaw broken by Wellingham - 3 weeks.

Apparently the AFL's QC suggested to Jonas that he was lying when he said it was not an intentional act. Wellingham's act was deemed reckless and non-intentional. To prove non-intention Wellingham relied on the assertion that he didn't mean “to hurt him [Simpson] that much”.

AFL once again proves that the only times it moves with are the media furore times.

Wellingham was actually 5 weeks, but down to 3 due to a good record and an early guilty plea.

 

[GreyCrow]

From the Port Adelaide Creed

To be successful, each of us must be active, aggressive and devoted to this cause

Hmm Tommys only living the creed

 

[Mningasimisonda]

Penalty seemed too harsh to me. Less in it than the tribunal made out. It seemed to be not overly malicious and I saw nothing in the footage that indicated that his intent was to hit to the head/neck. If that is a technicity that doesn't matter then the system is broken.

 

[DemonTim]

Penalty seemed too harsh to me. Less in it than the tribunal made out. It seemed to be not overly malicious and I saw nothing in the footage that indicated that his intent was to hit to the head/neck. If that is a technicity that doesn't matter then the system is broken.

So where did he intend to hit? He raised his elbow and forearm, where did he think it would hit?

 

[ziad]

So where did he intend to hit? He raised his elbow and forearm, where did he think it would hit?

dont argue logic with a fool Tim

 

[Mancey]

Suspension given is pretty fair.........But I am still a little shocked that Conca only got 2 weeks for his elbow a few years back.

From memory they came out after this and basically said they stuffed up and it should have been longer

 

[Mancey]

According to Whately and Robbo last night on AFL 360, Hall's 7 weeks for hitting Staker, and Jonas' 6 weeks for hitting Gaff show how far the tribunal has come in saying this sort of behaviour won't be tolerated.

Unless of course your name is Kade Simpson, and you get your jaw broken by Wellingham - 3 weeks.

Apparently the AFL's QC suggested to Jonas that he was lying when he said it was not an intentional act. Wellingham's act was deemed reckless and non-intentional. To prove non-intention Wellingham relied on the assertion that he didn't mean “to hurt him [Simpson] that much”.

AFL once again proves that the only times it moves with are the media furore times.

Wellingham getting a good record discount was a big reason that mechanism was scrapped

 

[Gizza]

your right he should have gone the spoil using his leg or something then yer?
the air time and out rage this has got is ridiculous. its no worse than a dozen other incidents. any of which you could argue "could have killed a guy "
simple named hodge the good bloke would have got 4 max

He wasn't going for the spoil at all though. At no point was any part of his arm gong even remotely in the direction of the ball. Also, if he was going the spoil his arm would have been extended, not tucked in.

 

[marty36]

He wasn't going for the spoil at all though. At no point was any part of his arm gong even remotely in the direction of the ball. Also, if he was going the spoil his arm would have been extended, not tucked in.

A bit like playing golf you keep your eye on the ball if you want to hit it

 

[Adz2332]

From the Port Adelaide Creed

To be successful, each of us must be active, aggressive and devoted to this cause

Hmm Tommys only living the creed

dont want jonas to loose his aggression out of this one bit!

 

[Tatts22]

Suspension given is pretty fair.........But I am still a little shocked that Conca only got 2 weeks for his elbow a few years back.

Not comparing the two or saying they got the Jonas one wrong, I think it was about right.

But this one is one of the worst things I have seen. Got embarrassed that he had his jelly belly exposed so chased after an unsuspecting player who had almost stepped through the interchange gates and elbowed him in the back of the head, should have been a lot more than 2. I think Conca got very lucky he didn't knock him out or cause an injury.

 

[jackenny]

dont want jonas to loose his aggression out of this one bit!

Same feeling when May got suspended. You accept the suspension, because playing well as a defender requires a bit of thuggery, that's just how it is - although at times they may cross the line (even Rance did at one point this year), that's just the risk inherent playing so close to the line.

 

[Mningasimisonda]

dont argue logic with a fool Tim

Gaff's legs buckle just before Jonas lays the hit, so it clearly hits higher than intended.

In contrast to you, I have zero reason for bias. Just calling what I see before watching slo mos over and over and reading a whole of thread of comments about it.

 

[Jugada]

Feel like the punishment and backlash is way too harsh, i couldnt imagine his intent was to elbow Gaff in the head. It was dumb and reckless but it didnt look deliberate to me

 

[FatPizza]

Gaff's legs buckle just before Jonas lays the hit, so it clearly hits higher than intended.

In contrast to you, I have zero reason for bias. Just calling what I see before watching slo mos over and over and reading a whole of thread of comments about it.

So if your assertion is correct he intended to elbow him at the base of the neck where it connects to the back rather than the head? And that's better how?

 

[LeoMessi]

From the Port Adelaide Creed

To be successful, each of us must be active, aggressive and devoted to this cause

Hmm Tommys only living the creed

It's sad to see that even in a serious conversation, you just can't let go of your narrow mindedness.

 

[LeoMessi]

Feel like the punishment and backlash is way too harsh, i couldnt imagine his intent was to elbow Gaff in the head. It was dumb and reckless but it didnt look deliberate to me

I'm sure the Port Adelaide factor increased the penalty by another 2 weeks.

 

[FatPizza]

I'm sure the Port Adelaide factor increased the penalty by another 2 weeks.

If by Port Adelaide factor you mean the moronic defence they (attempted to) put up? Then that is a possibility.

 

[LeoMessi]

If by Port Adelaide factor you mean the moronic defence they (attempted to) put up? Then that is a possibility.

So but actually owning up to doing it and saying he's willing to cop anything dished out to him is moronic, then you're probably right. But squeaky wheel gets the oil, just ask Eddie.

 

[kane249]

So but actually owning up to doing it and saying he's willing to cop anything dished out to him is moronic, then you're probably right. But squeaky wheel gets the oil, just ask Eddie.

If he had owned up to it, he wouldn't have tried to fight the classification at the tribunal like he did. Fighting the classification cost him an early discount so it could have been down to 5 if he had accepted it as is.