Scandal Tom Silvagni convicted of rape

[Munich]

They've dug a deeper and deeper hole with absolute no alternative theory.

His actions are not that of an innocent man.

The shaggy defense.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Well we know what's going to happen to him in prison, and so does he.

 

[WillHayward]

If he is convicted he has to shut up, if he said that whilst he was convicted its a different story imo

Put yourself in SOS shoes, what would you do? You protect your son at all costs

My son could kill someone and I would still be in his corner, rightly or wrongly

Yes ok Tony Soprano

 

[Black Panther]

Well we know what's going to happen to him in prison, and so does he.

Don't drop the soap

 

[Doggy Dan]

I lived in a country town in Vic where the head detective was a dad of kids we went to school and played footy with. He was about a 30 year force veteran, salt of the earth, nicest, straight down the line guy you’ll ever meet. An alleged r*pe occurred and while investigating he saw video evidence the perps were his son and nephew. As a detective he went to the girls house to interview her and tried to convince her to drop the charges and that there was no way a conviction could be made. It’s the most diabolical situation you could ever imagine.

People can do incredible, unthinkable things when their family are involved that are completely against their character. I would love to think I would act morally, but can’t possibly understand how I would react if put in this situation, so I don’t think it’s fair for me to hang SOS for his actions. The criminal here is his son - his family, friends the victim and her family / friends and the wider community are collateral damage from his heinous actions.

 

[dmc333]

Simple explanation for why SOS believes his son.

He's not a smart man.

Back in his Channel 10 days it was obvious there wasn't much going on upstairs. His list management hasn't elevated his standing either. Add in the childlike grievances and grudges against Carlton.

Tom, is clearly a moron himself, trying to cover up the crime and talking when he should have kept his mouth shut, but has probably pulled the wool over SOS in the past, so he knows he can keep running with it.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

He'll get a slap on the wrist - 3 month sentence and a community order because of his clean record. Absolute joke

Pretty sure there's mandatory sentencing.

 

[Cdog71]

So.. not sure I got this right.
Two couples in Silvagni’s family home at night go to seperate rooms.
Silvagni and his girlfriend
Leguidice and a girl who he had a casual relationship with.
Leguidice leaves after having sex
After some time Silvagni goes into room pretends to be him,digital rape. Suspicious it’s Silvagni she goes outve the room works out he’s the only one there.

Silvagni ask’s Leguidice to lie, he says no
Silvagni doctors uber receipt to fabricate lie gets found out.

Victim was close with Silvagni’s girlfriend and not anymore
Silvagni’s girlfriend is still Silvagni’s girlfriend

There was no out of court payment to victim from the Silvagni’s?

Is that right?

 

[Munich]

So.. not sure I got this right.
Two couples in Silvagni’s family home at night go to seperate rooms.
Silvagni and his girlfriend
Leguidice and a girl who he had a casual relationship with.
Leguidice leaves after having sex
After some time Silvagni goes into room pretends to be him,digital rape. Suspicious it’s Silvagni she goes outve the room works out he’s the only one there.

Silvagni ask’s Leguidice to lie, he says no
Silvagni doctors uber receipt to fabricate lie gets found out.

Victim was close with Silvagni’s girlfriend and not anymore
Silvagni’s girlfriend is still Silvagni’s girlfriend

There was no out of court payment to victim from the Silvagni’s?

Is that right?

She realised it was Tom during the encounter as she said to him she knew who it was as he was the only guy left in the house.

 

[Andrewgtv05]

People smashing SOS because he’s been a POS for many years. This is the final straw.

His legacy is dead.

The final straw to me was when he "convinced" Jack to leave Carlton and leave to St Kilda with TDK. It's only matter of time before the Salary Cap Breach's are noticed.

 

[Mynamesinuse]

The final straw to me was when he "convinced" Jack to leave Carlton and leave to St Kilda with TDK. It's only matter of time before the Salary Cap Breach's are noticed.

Yeah of course

 

[EskimoPAFC]

At this stage there is no continued history of social manipulation, disregard for emotional needs or a desire to limit, restrain or hurt individuals on a consistent basis.

Psychopathy is (in part) determined by repeated behaviour.

That depends on how much stock you put in the reports of people who went to school with him. It sounds like this is exactly whats been said about him.

 

[danster168]

No, he is defending a convicted rapist. Simple

err yes. both are true. what do you expect from a father. weird. its like you've never followed a true crime case before.

 

[mm23]

Simple explanation for why SOS believes his son.

He's not a smart man.

You are probably right. I don’t have a problem with him defending his son but what he said was certainly not smart.

He’s probably wasted a million bucks on his son’s defense when it was a lost cause.

Now he’s going to waste even more on an appeal. Whereas they could have spent very little, he accepts whatever plea bargain he could get, show remorse and probably do half as much time.

 

[Saints43]

The final straw to me was when he "convinced" Jack to leave Carlton and leave to St Kilda with TDK. It's only matter of time before the Salary Cap Breach's are noticed.

I'm not sure what your club grievances have to do with Tom Silvagni but Jack Silvagni had already decided to leave Carlton, he had discussions with at least three clubs. He was always leaving even if there was no offer from St Kilda.
I know Carlton supporters see SOS as obsessed with taking players from their club but their concern should probably be around why Carlton is the easiest club for teams that missed finals to attract players from.

Anyway, perhaps a discussion about rape isn't the ideal forum for airing your disappointment about players leaving your club.

 

[Cdog71]

She realised it was Tom during the encounter as she said to him she knew who it was as he was the only guy left in the house.

Yeah, she leaves immediately.
Rings her family rings Silvagni’s girlfriend that night.
Silvagni rings her in the morning and she goes to the police.

Pretty ordinary statement from SOS.
Pretty weird person to want to stay the girlfriend of someone whos done that and who’s spoken directly with the victim.

 

[10571z]

You are probably right. I don’t have a problem with him defending his son but what he said was certainly not smart.

He’s probably wasted a million bucks on his son’s defense when it was a lost cause.

Now he’s going to waste even more on an appeal. Whereas they could have spent very little, he accepts whatever plea bargain he could get, show remorse and probably do half as much time.

If he didn't doctor the uber receipt and his Mr's was his alibi he could have got off for a lack of evidence and reasonable doubt. He did the opposite while basically offering no alternative theory.

 

[WillHayward]

Sex assault victims can’t be publicly named unless they agree to it or the court orders it.
Prosecution doesn’t need to apply for anything. It can, of course, argue the case if the court orders it against the victim’s will.

Kind of moot .
Fact is a CC judge removed the SO and Silvagni lawyer raced off to the Supreme Crt to get the SO back.
Was clearly a high priority for the Silvagnis.

 

[WillHayward]

You do need to be careful when passing judgment on suppression orders.

People should keep in mind that we get our information on them from the media, and the media will ALWAYS oppose them. Because the media want to publish everything. They want their clicks, it's their business.

So as soon as there's any sort of suppression order they'll start with the familiar wailing... "different rules for them!!" "the rich protecting themselves!!" "it's all about how much money you have!!"

Its their usual cheap line that wins easy support.

Money doesn't buy suppression orders. It can certainly help, if you have a team of lawyers working on it for you, but it doesn't guarantee you shit. There isn't literally "different rules for the rich". That's absurd.

They can be granted for a range of different reasons including some very valid ones - publishing may compromise another case, for instance. This has often been the case and still the media will roll out their usual shit about "high priced lawyers winning suppression orders for the wealthy!!"... when it's simply not the case and it is in place for a good reason.

A judge makes a call on it and judges are one profession where I'm relatively happy to say... they're not stupid. They're not going to be easily fooled even if there is a team of lawyers arguing for something. Judges are overwhelmingly ex-lawyers which works very well because they know all the bullshit arguments they pull.

If a suppression order isn't appropriate then generally a judge will deny it or have it lifted quickly. That's exactly what has happened in this case. The system worked fine.

It's not a media thing though
We have something called the Open Courts Act and the default position is for open crts including name of accused being published.
And a county crt judge DID decide to remove the SO back in June and then Silvagni had a KC race off to the SC to appeal the CC decision to remove the SO.
So your facts aren't really correct.
The fact is only a very small % of people can get a KC to make an appeal of a CC decision in the SC. It's very unusual.
System clearly favoured the wealthy here.

 

[WillHayward]

I hope Jack Silvagni gets the support he will need from the Saints when he arrives.

Poor little Jack

 

[mm23]

If he didn't doctor the uber receipt and his Mr's was his alibi he could have got off for a lack of evidence and reasonable doubt. He did the opposite while basically offering no alternative theory.

The problem with that is he went in shortly before and said your boyfriend’s coming back in a minute. So he was there at the time and the boyfriend wasn’t coming back and never told him he was. That is very hard to explain hence the receipt.

 

[danster168]

People smashing SOS need to first confirm if they have kids before posting coz you dont understand unless you have kids

If your son says he didnt do it you believe him

i don't have kids and i have no issue with SOS's statement. But then again, i do have common sense.

If SOS 100% believed in his sons innocence then his primary emotion would be anger, not sadness. If he wholeheartedly believed in his son's innocence then be would've walked right up to the crowd of media and looked straight down the camera lens in rage. This is not what happened.

It's so hard to listen to simpletons who have no idea about psychology/body language carry on like they're true crime experts.

 

[WillHayward]

I lived in a country town in Vic where the head detective was a dad of kids we went to school and played footy with. He was about a 30 year force veteran, salt of the earth, nicest, straight down the line guy you’ll ever meet. An alleged r*pe occurred and while investigating he saw video evidence the perps were his son and nephew. As a detective he went to the girls house to interview her and tried to convince her to drop the charges and that there was no way a conviction could be made. It’s the most diabolical situation you could ever imagine.

People can do incredible, unthinkable things when their family are involved that are completely against their character. I would love to think I would act morally, but can’t possibly understand how I would react if put in this situation, so I don’t think it’s fair for me to hang SOS for his actions. The criminal here is his son - his family, friends the victim and her family / friends and the wider community are collateral damage from his heinous actions.

Maybe. But maybe there is an element that the kids involved have something in common - a belief the law doesn't apply to them and they are special.

Same goes for kids whose dad is the local detective in a small town (untouchable) as for some kid of Melbourne royalty (untouchable).

It's the parents fault for allowing these kids to think they are special.

What ever happened to your detective?

 

[webbo_83]

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Jo Silvagni stares down her evil rapist son's victim

On Friday, Tom Silvagni, 23, watched from a prison video room as his victim bravely told him all the ways he had destroyed her life.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This was exactly why they stayed out of the courtroom - if she doesn't look at her she's aloof and rude, if she looks at her she's still rude. Having been witness to a few victim impact statements in my time, the family and friends of the convicted party are often advised to steer clear to try and neutralise what is often a very cumbustible situation.

 

[kalex6251]

Ok turncoat.

waaay beyond ironic given the player front and centre in your profile pic