Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 3 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[ErnieSigley]

I’d agree with this, aside from the fact these two players turn your team from finals contenders, to Premiership contenders. Both players will be around for 3-4 years and are proven talent, compared with P13 who is of an unknown quality. Oh well, Pride comes before the fall!


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You keep posting it but Adelaide isn’t getting 13.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

About tomorrows deal

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Trade five: Josh Bruce
Now for St Kilda’s other wantaway player: Josh Bruce.

Put together Bruce, the 2020 second-round pick obtained for Geelong, and St Kilda’s own 2020 second-round pick, and swap it to the Dogs for their 2020 first-rounder and pick 53 this year.

Clubs aren’t technically allowed trade out both their future first and second-rounders, but there’s a little loophole where it will be allowed if you get one back in (Hawthorn did this in the Jaeger O’Meara deal), so this is legal.

This works great for both clubs – St Kilda manage to get back into the first round of next year’s draft, and if their new recruits help them move up the ladder then it might not even be that different a pick from what their original selection would have been.

The Bulldogs, meanwhile, are already aware that they have a highly-rated NGA prospect in next year’s draft, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, who they’ll need to match a bid for.


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That bid will in all likelihood come before where their first pick would fall, so swapping it for two second-rounders is no big loss.

If the Cats, Dogs and Saints all finished around the same spot next year as they did this one, this would actually give the Dogs nearly 100 extra points with which to match that bid.

For that reason, it’d be pretty fair to ask them throw in pick 53 this year back the other way. They have four picks before that in this year’s draft, they can afford to give it up.

Into it. The only reason we need to be precious about next year's first is for the points, if we got more in total we should absolutely trade it out. As long as we have the list spots open to use them, but with all of Jong, Porter, Lynch, Gowers, even older players like Suckling, Duryea and Lloyd out of contract, we can do that thing GWS always seem to do where we don't lock them in until after the draft so we technically have enough list spots open to use as many late pick as we need to to match bids.

 

[fronkalicious]

Into it. The only reason we need to be precious about next year's first is for the points, if we got more in total we should absolutely trade it out. As long as we have the list spots open to use them, but with all of Jong, Porter, Lynch, Gowers, even older players like Suckling, Duryea and Lloyd out of contract, we can do that thing GWS always seem to do where we don't lock them in until after the draft so we technically have enough list spots open to use as many late pick as we need to to match bids.

This is the sweet spot for us. Teams will want our 2020 first and for us, it’s far less valuable than our 2019 first.

I’m hoping we can get it done without touching either first rounder, but if one needs to go, it should be next years.

 

[Hobdog]

ITK reckons by 8pm on Wednesday that the dogs will either have or won’t have Bruce on their list. Believe what you like, I’m just passing on what I’ve been told.


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[Del165892]

The megatrade rumoured to take place today is so big that it's predicted to fix relations between Israel and Palestine.

 

[ExRoyboy]

Seemed like a fair deal overall....
2 key player for dogs would put them up in premiership contention.
Doesn't seem like a year you really need 13

Nah..... it wasn’t really a fair deal as far as the Dogs were concerned and I can see why they rejected it. There is a better option that someone from StKilda posted on Part 2 of our trade and list management thread where we drop from 13 to 18 and then StKilda pass on 13 to Port for Howard and get back 29 which goes to Sydney for Jones. We then trade 32 to Adelaide for Keath. There may also be some other later picks moving but that was the guts of it.

The Dogs must have their eye on someone who they have decided won’t be there in the 2nd Round so they need to stay in the first round. But they need to find a way to convert their third round selections into another pick in the 20’s or they will have to accept dropping back from 13 but not out of the first round. Or we see what happens on the last day when things start to get tight and maybe someone flinches.

 

[ExRoyboy]

What’s weird here is 4 places are holding this up. Bruce and Jones both valued at 28 in that deal. 4 places off the current deal we are offering to st kilda (which could be placed in the same 3 way).

Adelaide just ream us in it. It’s a terrible deal on that basis.

Adelaide want to fu** us for Keath, a player that is uncontracted, injured and has only played well for a short time. The other part of the deal is entirely peripheral and what it tells me is Bruce will get done without worry (given the valuation is so very close to our offer)

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Very much agree with this. Adelaide get much more than they should, StKilda and Sydney get what they want and the Dogs get reamed. No wonder we rejected it. Everyone will stick it to us for not facilitating the movement of the players but why should Adelaide get the highest pick plus more for an uncontracted player who is 28, played less than 30 games and is currently injured? No wonder the Crows were the ones who proposed the deal. We aren’t that stupid.

 

[ExRoyboy]

Stringer - Has worked out well. Schache and Richards.

Griffen - We win

Higgins - not a trade, free agency. Yep unfair compo

Ward - We got fair compensation, Melbourne got absurd compo for Scully which made the compo we got for Ward look bad.

Didn’t we turn the Ward compensation into Jack Macrae? I would say that’s pretty fair compensation even though at the time we would have loved to keep Ward.

 

[gangsta deluxe]

ITK reckons by 8pm on Wednesday that the dogs will either have or won’t have Bruce on their list. Believe what you like, I’m just passing on what I’ve been told.


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You’ve pulled a Tom Browne! Except you were joking

 

[CaptainMurphy]

This is the sweet spot for us. Teams will want our 2020 first and for us, it’s far less valuable than our 2019 first.

I’m hoping we can get it done without touching either first rounder, but if one needs to go, it should be next years.

ESPECIALLY if we end up in a better position next year to match bids, that's what really makes it a complete no brainer. Really hope it happens.

 

[BRWB]

ESPECIALLY if we end up in a better position next year to match bids, that's what really makes it a complete no brainer. Really hope it happens.

It's dire trading into next yrs draft as it's so compromised. P25 could easily become P35.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

It's dire trading into next yrs draft as it's so compromised. P25 could easily become P35.

But if the bid we need to match first comes top 5, which it likely will, the picks won't have slid yet.

 

[Draft Pick]

Didn’t we turn the Ward compensation into Jack Macrae? I would say that’s pretty fair compensation even though at the time we would have loved to keep Ward.

Yep.

 

[Yojimbo]

It's dire trading into next yrs draft as it's so compromised. P25 could easily become P35.

P18 could become P35, it's hard to forecast with the gentlemen's agreement component or it might be a free
for all bidding war. It's virgin territory.

 

[Charlie Bucket]

Not hating the idea of using next years first in the Keath/Bruce deal, but if we were able to keep it, we could use it next trade period to bring in another established best 22.

Package our 3rds for a second, use both seconds in a deal for both players or something where use 13 with 18 coming back.

2019
Take 1st rounder to the draft, bring in Keath and Bruce.

2020
Bring in Jamarra with our 2nd and possibly a 3rd/4th rounder, bring in a best 22 by trading our 1st

If we were keeping next years 1st for Jamarra I can understand holding on to it, but, if the rumours are true and we’re open to using it to get this years deal through, I say hold tough and get it done without it, use it next year for another Bruce/Keath type.

 

[Doggy Dan]

Personally, I think Adelaide should suck a fat one. Seriously they got Keath for free via category B rookie because he ‘chose’ them. He has now ‘chosen’ us so it should be a simple transaction.

Adelaide turn nothing into 30 good games and pick 45 not bad business. Category B is bulltish anyway. Any Cat B should be a lifetime free agent when out of contract as they cost their clubs nothing in trade value.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

You’ve pulled a Tom Browne! Except you were joking

Never go full Tom Browne.

 

[Dogs Rule]

From all reports King seems pretty loyal and would more than likely see out any contract

The simple solution is for the AFL to ban any players being traded while under contract, but the players won’t allow that because they want it both ways.

 

[Deadly Darcy]

Didn’t we turn the Ward compensation into Jack Macrae? I would say that’s pretty fair compensation even though at the time we would have loved to keep Ward.

We got very lucky and Scully went for 2 first rounders. Arguably we turned Ward into Schache rather than Macrae as well..... I hated the compo then and I still burn about it now

 

[Scottish Bob]

13 for Bruce and 18 is fair and 32 for Keath and 49 is fair.

 

[mattwa]

Yep.

Massive win for us. Jack's going to retire a 300 game legend for the club

 

[Libba39]

The megatrade rumoured to take place today is so big that it's predicted to fix relations between Israel and Palestine.

Turkey has also halted their offensive in northern Syria, Boris Johnson has pushed any further decision on Brexit back to Thursday, and Trump has just tweeted "Any deal with Dodoro is bad! Mason Cox should not consider the Bombers! #makecollingwoodgreatagain."

 

[Libba39]

13 for Bruce and 18 is fair and 32 for Keath and 49 is fair.

Makes sense to me

 

[Doggy]

Saints supporters seem to think we are into Long. Hope not.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Saints supporters seem to think we are into Long. Hope not.

Someone else reported this last week...