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brutus76 said:
Sorry to intrude.

Say the Bombers got 8 for Saad and trade 8 and the Raz pick 28/34 and 47 for the Lions 18,19,42

If the Dons offered 6 and 18 and a 2021 2nd for 14 and Dunkley would that seem ok?

Even if JUH gets bids at #1 then 6 covers most of it and 18 becomes 37 leaving you 37,40,53,89 to get some additional talent.
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Think of a player on your list that you really, really don't want to lose and add him into any deal you plan to offer for Dunkley.

In this situation you don't have to come up with fair deal for Dunkley, it has to be absolutely compelling from our point of view and even then we reserve the right to knock it back.
 
adogsfan5 said:
I think they’ve come to the realisation it’s time for change.
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Have to get their cap under control and also need a refresh of the list Pendles only going to decline from here on out. Treloar is pacy accumulator that can be replaced for less$$$ Stephenson has fallen out of favour, he would add some pace to our side question mark on his endurance though.
Some opportunities for us to pick up some useful pieces Power would be assessing the situation
 
brutus76 said:
Sorry to intrude.

Say the Bombers got 8 for Saad and trade 8 and the Raz pick 28/34 and 47 for the Lions 18,19,42

If the Dons offered 6 and 18 and a 2021 2nd for 14 and Dunkley would that seem ok?

Even if JUH gets bids at #1 then 6 covers most of it and 18 becomes 37 leaving you 37,40,53,89 to get some additional talent.
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You’ve been respectful so hopefully you don’t get too smashed here, but you’ve got to understand any picks that will get eaten up by Jamarra’s bid isn’t appealing. We currently only need to add a pick in the 30s to get him which we will get by trading down our 1st rounder.

unless what you guys give can be turned into a pick before Jamarra there is no appeal. Even then, I’m sure you would much rather keep that pick and draft McDonald rather than get Dunkley
 
Woofing said:
What Value would Menegola and Clarke demand. I like either or both as options, struggled to value them though.
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I would reckon Menagola would be a mid to late first Rnder and Clark a late 1st to early 2nd after having attitude issues this year.
Difficult year for him after a delsyed start due to recovery frm his arm injury.
Kid is a jet well worth the punt , i would go so far as to stump up our future 1st for him
 

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brutus76 said:
Sorry to intrude.

Say the Bombers got 8 for Saad and trade 8 and the Raz pick 28/34 and 47 for the Lions 18,19,42

If the Dons offered 6 and 18 and a 2021 2nd for 14 and Dunkley would that seem ok?

Even if JUH gets bids at #1 then 6 covers most of it and 18 becomes 37 leaving you 37,40,53,89 to get some additional talent.
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How about your 2021 first, plus 2020 pick 18 and 2020 2nd for Dunks.

We then swap our 2020 first for pies 2021 first. Pick 18 and the second covers Marra.

Dogs then have 3 x 2021 firsts (Ess, pies, our own) to either trade players, or picks on the night, or worst case clean up in next years strong draft.
 
What do we think a fair trade would be for Stephenson? I’m keen on thoughts/ideas as he’s a hard one to gauge.

Can someone tell me more about Jordan Clark too? Is he just a slightly taller Vandermeer?


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fronkalicious do you think a trade with Adelaide for pick 2 is now over knowing Essendon now have pick 7 for Daniher as Compo? They have 6,7 and likely 8 for Saad. Surely two of those are a lot more enticing to trade up for Adelaides 2 than what the Dogs could offer?
 
Skiddies said:
fronkalicious do you think a trade with Adelaide for pick 2 is now over knowing Essendon now have pick 7 for Daniher as Compo? They have 6,7 and likely 8 for Saad. Surely two of those are a lot more enticing to trade up for Adelaides 2 than what the Dogs could offer?
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Surely Essendon aren't getting 8 for Saad....
 
Skiddies said:
fronkalicious do you think a trade with Adelaide for pick 2 is now over knowing Essendon now have pick 7 for Daniher as Compo? They have 6,7 and likely 8 for Saad. Surely two of those are a lot more enticing to trade up for Adelaides 2 than what the Dogs could offer?
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The most obvious would be they give us two of those to prise Dunks out (we can through in a bag of chips), then we give those two for crows pick 2.
 
fronkalicious said:
What do we think a fair trade would be for Stephenson? I’m keen on thoughts/ideas as he’s a hard one to gauge.

Can someone tell me more about Jordan Clark too? Is he just a slightly taller Vandermeer?


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I'd put Stephenson in the late late first, early second spot. Still contracted, but obviously Pies have negated that by putting him on the table.

Ceiling is high, but concerns about why he's regressed so far from his first year?

Worth a punt for that price, anything more, no thanks.

I'm wondering if we need Clark, considering he'd probably cost that same first, when he have what looks to be a decent winger in VDM coming on?

Seems a bit of a waste for that cost?
 
Stephenson is definitely the type we need and was highly thought of in his draft year but had heart issue that may have scared a few off.

I have no inside word just a gut feel that something is amiss so we need to do our due diligence on him outside of football.

Someone who works in the industry said Pies are reasonable to deal with and most time you get there with them as opposed to Bumbers.
 

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Given how he gone this year I would be more inclined to an early second for Stephenson. I absolutely see a spot for Clark on a wing particularly if we want to persist with bringing Hunter into the inside mid role
 
brutus76 said:
Sorry to intrude.

Say the Bombers got 8 for Saad and trade 8 and the Raz pick 28/34 and 47 for the Lions 18,19,42

If the Dons offered 6 and 18 and a 2021 2nd for 14 and Dunkley would that seem ok?

Even if JUH gets bids at #1 then 6 covers most of it and 18 becomes 37 leaving you 37,40,53,89 to get some additional talent.
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Yeah I'm sure we will be happy to give you a player who is a top 5 talent at our club who is contracted for two more years for a deal that seems "ok." Would you trade Merrett for a deal that gets you some picks between 40-90? :rolleyesv1:
 
I’d have no hesitation handing over our first this year for Stephenson which looks to be late teens now.

Maybe swap 2020 and 2021 2nd and 3rd rounders with the Pies as well to pay for JUH.
 
ScragCity said:
Yeah I'm sure we will be happy to give you a player who is a top 5 talent at our club who is contracted for two more years for a deal that seems "ok." Would you trade Merrett for a deal that gets you some picks between 40-90? :rolleyesv1:
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I was prepared for the offer to be McKernan and Bellchambers and pick 100
 
dogwatch said:
This sentence sums up the problem.

The compensation pick that creates value out of thin air is just a conjuring trick. In reality all 18 clubs pay for that compensation pick in equal part by suffering a small depreciation of their draft hand. It may also be that clubs (like us) facing the prospect of an early bid on their father-son or academy player will suffer even more if the points value of their draft hand is diminished with each compensation pick.

Over about 30 years up to 2015 the AFL had developed and refined a workable equalisation arrangement for the competition based on the draft, salary cap and equalisation payments. Not perfect by any means but reasonably fair compared to the widening gap that was appearing in the 1970s and 80s.

Then the AFLPA came along and forced the AFL's hand on free agency. The AFL's unpalatable alternative was a likely losing battle before the ACCC. So now the law of the jungle is reasserting itself with the richer clubs (or at least those with influential backers) regularly attracting many of the best players in the league during their prime years. It doesn't help that it is almost impossible for the AFL to detect, measure and police certain forms of payment that could fall in or beyond the "grey" area around what's legal.

Abolishing compensation picks won't help the weaker clubs who will still lose star players.
Declaring the top 4 teams each year to be ineligible to receive free agents will be challenged by the AFLPA as a constraint on free movement, as will other variants such as ruling that free agents can only go to clubs that finished lower.

The same argument might also be used if the AFL tries to make the beneficiary clubs hand over an appropriate draft pick(or points) based on what the player is deemed to be worth. However that still seems the best shot at solving this difficult problem. Perhaps it could be made more acceptable if there was a 10% or 20% discount, as with the F-S bidding system?

I don't know if the AFL has the appetite to try to fix this though. It is very wary of the AFLPA. Perhaps it needs a concerted campaign from the presidents of the smaller clubs.
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Well-analysed as usual DW. Perhaps after the hurly-burly of this year's trade period has finished the boffins at AFL headquarters might realise that they have created a monster and will make necessary changes. The alternative is that powerful clubs will continue to fill their boots with the best mature talent every year for gratis.
 

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DognBones said:
Well-analysed as usual DW. Perhaps after the hurly-burly of this year's trade period has finished the boffins at AFL headquarters might realise that they have created a monster and will make necessary changes. The alternative is that powerful clubs will continue to fill their boots with the best mature talent every year for gratis.
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Certainly didn't hurt Tigers to get in Lynch and keep all their picks. Strong get stronger and everyone else picks up the cost to pay for it 😥😥
 
fronkalicious said:
What do we think a fair trade would be for Stephenson? I’m keen on thoughts/ideas as he’s a hard one to gauge.

Can someone tell me more about Jordan Clark too? Is he just a slightly taller Vandermeer?


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Not sure we have currency fronk , unless the pies over rate Dale.
More than happy for a swap with a 2020 or 2021 later picK from us involved.
 
Hoges64 said:
I'd put Stephenson in the late late first, early second spot. Still contracted, but obviously Pies have negated that by putting him on the table.

Ceiling is high, but concerns about why he's regressed so far from his first year?

Worth a punt for that price, anything more, no thanks.

I'm wondering if we need Clark, considering he'd probably cost that same first, when he have what looks to be a decent winger in VDM coming on?

Seems a bit of a waste for that cost?
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For me now he’s a late 2nd early 3rd his betting issue on top of being dropped multiple times and then actively shopping him makes him lose a lot of value
 
brutus76 said:
Sorry to intrude.
Say the Bombers got 8 for Saad and trade 8 and the Raz pick 28/34 and 47 for the Lions 18,19,42
If the Dons offered 6 and 18 and a 2021 2nd for 14 and Dunkley would that seem ok?
Even if JUH gets bids at #1 then 6 covers most of it and 18 becomes 37 leaving you 37,40,53,89 to get some additional talent.
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Ask yourself - if you put yourself in the Bulldogs shoes would that deal excite you? What Essendon need to understand is that the Bulldogs hold all the cards and Essendon have absolutely no leverage at all. If they want the player they need to look at what they traded for Dylan Shiel and up it. The offer needs to be painful for Essendon... not comfortable or an accurate measure of what Dunks is worth. It’s massive overs or nothing.
 
King Harold said:
Not sure we have currency fronk , unless the pies over rate Dale.
More than happy for a swap with a 2020 or 2021 later picK from us involved.
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I honestly don’t think we would have to pay much more than say Dale and a 3rd rounder it’s similar to when we were shopping Stringer except he’d done more the value isn’t there
 
fronkalicious said:
What do we think a fair trade would be for Stephenson? I’m keen on thoughts/ideas as he’s a hard one to gauge.

Can someone tell me more about Jordan Clark too? Is he just a slightly taller Vandermeer?


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Ed Richards and a swop of next years 2nd and 3rds in the pies favour? Both are 1st round picks and have had a good year each (Stephenson clearly had a better one!) and I think the swop helps both teams lists. Or Richards and Dale for Stephenson and some 2nd/3rd round pick swops in our favour somehow?
 
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