Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[True Dog]

What about his performance on Hawkins and last week.
I think we're very harsh on Zaine on this board.
We need better defenders than him but he's not as bad as some say.

I agree IM this board is quick to put on the toe tag on some players well before time (then make them out to be super stars when drafted by other teams).... Makes me wonder how similar players in the past who carved out a better than fair VFL/AFL career with us would be treated in today’s shoot first second and third, then ask questions mentality. Thought it was just me getting old (maybe still is)...

 

[huddo#9]

What about his performance on Hawkins and last week.
I think we're very harsh on Zaine on this board.
We need better defenders than him but he's not as bad as some say.

Totally agree. The cordy matchup on Lobb was dumb, when they had two taller defenders back there who should have played on him. Lobb also took his opportunities from only 7 disposals for the game.

Cordy wont be going anywhere

 

[TedDougChris]

Totally agree. The cordy matchup on Lobb was dumb, when they had two taller defenders back there who should have played on him. Lobb also took his opportunities from only 7 disposals for the game.

Cordy wont be going anywhere

Even worse when considering it was a repeat of the dumb GF matchup of Corey against Brown, when Gardner was clearly a better option for him….

 

[Smiley Boy]

Gards isn't a C grader anymore

C+ grader

 

[Foxman98]

C+ grader

He is a solid B grader now

 

[LittleG]

I don't think he's worth a top 10 pick - but I think on an open market that highly values young KPPs he'd fetch closer to that than a mid-20s pick. Of course, as I said, being uncontracted dilutes that a bit - but I would be staggered to see him moved for anything less than a mid-late first.

IF you think he can become a KPP rather than a third tall, then pay away. Freo are losing Hamling and Pearce is made of glass, they need a KPD as much as we do, yet Logue isn’t an option in their eyes. IF his current team doesn’t see him as that, I would take their evaluation over everyone else’s. They see his game tape and know his role and instructions better than everyone else.

Someone may overpay but he is a third tall in my and Freos opinion.

 

[TiAn_]

IF you think he can become a KPP rather than a third tall, then pay away. Freo are losing Hamling and Pearce is made of glass, they need a KPD as much as we do, yet Logue isn’t an option in their eyes. IF his current team doesn’t see him as that, I would take their evaluation over everyone else’s. They see his game tape and know his role and instructions better than everyone else.

Someone may overpay but he is a third tall in my and Freos opinion.

I think our club, given our coach’s proclivity for magnet spinning and fondness for flexibility, would potentially place a higher premium on Logue’s ability to play each end as a KPP to a very competent level, and even recently to compete in the ruck, than other clubs.

 

[immortalmike]

I agree IM this board is quick to put on the toe tag on some players well before time (then make them out to be super stars when drafted by other teams).... Makes me wonder how similar players in the past who carved out a better than fair VFL/AFL career with us would be treated in today’s shoot first second and third, then ask questions mentality. Thought it was just me getting old (maybe still is)...

Completely agree TD.

 

[TiAn_]

What about his performance on Hawkins and last week.
I think we're very harsh on Zaine on this board.
We need better defenders than him but he's not as bad as some say.

I would be fine if he saw out his career with us as a fringe 22 player. He’s handy and mostly reliable depth. Not everyone is a star.

 

[ossie_21]

What about his performance on Hawkins and last week.
I think we're very harsh on Zaine on this board.
We need better defenders than him but he's not as bad as some say.

He is suffering from the same thing as Gards. Cordy is a 3rd defender having to play as the 1st or 2nd, Gardner is now a capable 2nd defender but has been launched into 1st by a broken Keath.

Keath is expected to retire. We could have worse depth than Cordy, but I’d love to add a gun KPD as a 1st, add Jones as a 2nd/interceptor, still have Gardner with another depth option added (such as Melican who is actually not too bad of an option) and then even Cordy as a backup utility that can be thrown forward if required.

 

[doggies ftw]

He is suffering from the same thing as Gards. Cordy is a 3rd defender having to play as the 1st or 2nd, Gardner is now a capable 2nd defender but has been launched into 1st by a broken Keath.

Keath is expected to retire. We could have worse depth than Cordy, but I’d love to add a gun KPD as a 1st, add Jones as a 2nd/interceptor, still have Gardner with another depth option added (such as Melican who is actually not too bad of an option) and then even Cordy as a backup utility that can be thrown forward if required.

Cordys problem is he can’t play as a 3rd tall as they’re required to be versatile depending on match ups and he’s too slow to play on anyone whose not a lumbering dinosaur, but he’s too poor one on one and too undersized to play on anyone bigger & slower. Plus you generally want a bit of offensive drive or intercept marking out of your 3rd tall of which he provides zero.

He can maybe get away with battling away as an undersized 2nd tall with the right system (ie not ours) and the right match up.

If as expected we have Jones, Keath, Darcy & hopefully one more traded in option (ie Logue, Payne or similar standard) battling for 3 spots with the 4th & Gardner back ups and Buku/O’Brien third tall back ups then there’s no more room for Cordy or Melican for that matter (wow we’re scraping now… he’s rubbish)

We should be filling any other spots with a draftee, not Cordy/Melican as a not needed back up on an avg salary with zero upside

 

[LittleG]

I think our club, given our coach’s proclivity for magnet spinning and fondness for flexibility, would potentially place a higher premium on Logue’s ability to play each end as a KPP to a very competent level, and even recently to compete in the ruck, than other clubs.

That’s kind of what I am afraid of. [emoji20]

I would rather draft an intercept defender from this draft than trade a pick higher than 25 for Logue.

Sam Power is a good operator, hoping we don’t overvalue.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Cordys problem is he can’t play as a 3rd tall as they’re required to be versatile depending on match ups and he’s too slow to play on anyone whose not a lumbering dinosaur, but he’s too poor one on one and too undersized to play on anyone bigger & slower. Plus you generally want a bit of offensive drive or intercept marking out of your 3rd tall of which he provides zero.

He can maybe get away with battling away as an undersized 2nd tall with the right system (ie not ours) and the right match up.

If as expected we have Jones, Keath, Darcy & hopefully one more traded in option (ie Logue, Payne or similar standard) battling for 3 spots with the 4th & Gardner back ups and Buku/O’Brien third tall back ups then there’s no more room for Cordy or Melican for that matter (wow we’re scraping now… he’s rubbish)

We should be filling any other spots with a draftee, not Cordy/Melican as a not needed back up on an avg salary with zero upside

In a perfect world the third tall should be an intercept marker with some attacking intent especially when the second tall is a limited dour stopper like Gardner.

 

[Dogsman16]

In a perfect world the third tall should be an intercept marker with some attacking intent especially when the second tall is a limited dour stopper like Gardner.

Gardiner is no Jeremy McGovern but I have seen a vast improvement in his intercept marking ability.

 

[John Smith92]

We have like 4 backup kpds, a couple of whom could be a not awful 2nd tall option. We really need to get Lobb as a 2nd ruck/fwd, switch Naughton back and hope bont can get back to full fitness and hide the rest of our failings if we want a flag in the next 5 years.

 

[John Smith92]

By a couple of whom I mean gardner and Cordy against teams who don't have a genuinely good 2nd talk forward ie Cameron or Riewoldt

 

[Northernsoul74]

Gardiner is no Jeremy McGovern but I have seen a vast improvement in his intercept marking ability.

No doubt.

 

[huddo#9]

Even worse when considering it was a repeat of the dumb GF matchup of Corey against Brown, when Gardner was clearly a better option for him….

Gardner was not a better option.

 

[TedDougChris]

Gardner was not a better option.

Disagree. Taller, longer reach, better closing speed. Was a better match up for Brown than Cordy was.

 

[huddo#9]

The 2cm would have made a world of difference. The closing speed is a fallacy, he runs faster the other way after his player marks it. Also has the worst decision making in the afl. The right call was made if it was only a decision between him and Zane for the gf.

 

[Dogsman16]

The 2cm would have made a world of difference. The closing speed is a fallacy, he runs faster the other way after his player marks it. Also has the worst decision making in the afl. The right call was made if it was only a decision between him and Zane for the gf.

Gardiner did well on Dixon in the prelim. It was ridiculous to drop him and a mistake.

 

[doggies ftw]

In a perfect world the third tall should be an intercept marker with some attacking intent especially when the second tall is a limited dour stopper like Gardner.

Yep agreed, or a Grimes type who can lock down a small or tall if you’ve got a Rance alongside them. We don’t, and Cordy is neither.

I like Darcy as that 3rd tall (even though he’s 210cm…) for the next couple of years - but I know that opinions not really too popular here. Mixed with a genuine full back who can go one on one with the beasts and still mark the footy (Keath if he found his best, Jones) and an athletic 2nd tall (Gardner, or ideally Logue) that’s a pretty damn lethal setup.

Throw in your medium/4th in Ed, a defensive small in Doc & round out the 6th & 7th defenders with ball movers Dale & Daniel.

The whole backline looks a lot better on paper when you just fix the key posts tbh, that looks quality

 

[ossie_21]

The 2cm would have made a world of difference. The closing speed is a fallacy, he runs faster the other way after his player marks it. Also has the worst decision making in the afl. The right call was made if it was only a decision between him and Zane for the gf.

Lol, this is up there with the racist troll’s JUH bias.

Gardner is and was a much better match up for Brown than Cordy was, you’re clearly in the minority but feel free to triple down if you want

 

[Sentinel]

According to this article West Coast are willing to use their preseason draft pick to get Izak Rankine

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Izak Rankine

Age

25

Ht

179cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

13.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

5star

CL

1.7

4star

if he wants to leave GC and a trade with Adelaide isn't sorted. Adelaide’s offer is supposedly 5 years at $800k p.a. which West Coast would need to be able to match. Surely puts added doubt on rumours here of their cap being tight (which doesn't make sense to me anyway) and them willing to part with Barrass to relieve it.

Tensions rise as star ‘nearly pulls out’ of $4m move; Tigers ‘edge ahead’ of Pies: Trade Whispers

Tensions rise as star ‘nearly pulls out’ of $4m move; Tigers ‘edge ahead’ of Pies: Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[huddo#9]

Lol, this is up there with the racist troll’s JUH bias.

Gardner is and was a much better match up for Brown than Cordy was, you’re clearly in the minority but feel free to triple down if you want

It's my opinion based on watching him for the last couple of years at games(including last week's game which only highlighted it even more so). You don't have to agree, but there are plenty that do, as there is that probably don't.

Not sure anything I've said is comparable to a racist troll. Shit call by you.