Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[huddo#9]

Great result locking Caleb away. Would have been playing on unders up until now. Well deserved. Timmy's contract puts pressure on the dogs to be a contender again in the next two years, or he will walk for a big pay day.

 

[Dog 36]

Great result locking Caleb away. Would have been playing on unders up until now. Well deserved. Timmy's contract puts pressure on the dogs to be a contender again in the next two years, or he will walk for a big pay day.

And have a plan for the ruck should he do so.

 

[Testekill]

A player who’s two years away from free agency is going to sign a two-year deal. It doesn’t make any sense to do otherwise.

Yeah I can't call out a player for signing until free agency and then seeing where it goes, they might only have one or two big contracts left and they gotta do best for themselves.

 

[maddog37]

Great result locking Caleb away. Would have been playing on unders up until now. Well deserved. Timmy's contract puts pressure on the dogs to be a contender again in the next two years, or he will walk for a big pay day.

Did Max Gawn walk? Why do we automatically assume he would walk?

 

[huddo#9]

Did Max Gawn walk? Why do we automatically assume he would walk?

Max Gawn didn't have the lure of going "home", you would hope he doesn't, but like Dog36 says they should plan for it now.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Not all that thrilled with either to be honest. I was hoping for the rumored three year deal for Tim. 2 years will fly by and we'll be back in the exact same situation again very soon, except with absolutely no leverage and a free agent English.

Caleb has shown to be a real liability this year and is very replaceable IMO. The years and contract are fine only if it's not at the expense of other players.

What's the alternative? We enter the sweepstakes for Dan McStay and pay just as much for him as we just have for Caleb Daniel? I know which player ai'd prefer as a proven performer.

 

[Dog 36]

What's the alternative? We enter the sweepstakes for Dan McStay and pay just as much for him as we just have for Caleb Daniel? I know which player ai'd prefer as a proven performer.

Which player do we need more McStay or Daniel?

McStay comes with a bigger risk but it not as though he is playing VFL. He holds his place at The Lions

BTW I think McStay will remain at the Lions

 

[Mofra]

What's the alternative? We enter the sweepstakes for Dan McStay and pay just as much for him as we just have for Caleb Daniel? I know which player ai'd prefer as a proven performer.

TBH I too would take the AA, B&F winning player (Caleb) and just sign a mongrel ruck/forward from the state league.
Ballendon or Crossley will do.

Split the defenders, stay out of Naughton's way, and work over the opposition second ruck.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Which player do we need more McStay or Daniel?

McStay comes with a bigger risk but it not as though he is playing VFL. He holds his place at The Lions

BTW I think McStay will remain at the Lions

Are we really saying that Dan McStay's a better footballer than Caleb Daniel? Really?

 

[LondonBulldog]

If that report is true why do we need to lock Daniel away for 4 years? I would much prefer to lock Baily Dale up for that time frame.

Daniel has defensive deficiencies, it not his fault, too short, too slow and the opposition coaches are on to him now. His kicking is good, but usually short as opposed to Dale who is a line breaker.

I would have thought he was one we could afford to lose if we plan on making some moves to shake up our side.

 

[Dog 36]

Are we really saying that Dan McStay's a better footballer than Caleb Daniel? Really?

Question is what type of player do we need more? McStay type or Caleb Daniel type?

Not saying we should go after McStay but if a suitable KP player was around the $ we are paying Caleb it would need to be considered.

I am also okay with keeping Caleb as long as we don't overpay

 

[Bulldogs85]

Caleb Daniel

5

Caleb Daniel

Age

29

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

deserves the reported 4 year contract

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Question is what type of player do we need more? McStay type or Caleb Daniel type?

We need the significantly better footballer lol

 

[Anja_Nees]

Not all that thrilled with either to be honest. I was hoping for the rumored three year deal for Tim. 2 years will fly by and we'll be back in the exact same situation again very soon, except with absolutely no leverage and a free agent English.

I would have liked a bit longer but it’s not the worst thing. I think we’ll either still be challenging then or facing a turnover of the list, and I think that’ll decide what he wants to do. I think he’ll stay if we’re in flag contention.

If we’re at the point of a reset then as long as there’s good compo on offer (which I think there would be) I could live with him going.

Much happier with this than a Grundie-like albatross.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Great result locking Caleb away. Would have been playing on unders up until now. Well deserved. Timmy's contract puts pressure on the dogs to be a contender again in the next two years, or he will walk for a big pay day.

Who has left a club looking to play for a contender when they are well recompensed at their current club? Not many, I wouldn't have thought. Ok, Nathan Buckley...

 

[VitalDread]

Great seeing us sign Tim and Daniel

Now time for Daniel to play as a winger and never in defense again

 

[Mr. Walker]

Does anyone have “good” info on the dollars for each contract? Or is the mentioned amount based solely on what a BF poster thinks is appropriate?

 

[huddo#9]

Who has left a club looking to play for a contender when they are well recompensed at their current club? Not many, I wouldn't have thought. Ok, Nathan Buckley...

Tom Lynch, Steven May, Jake Lever, Shiel just a couple that spring to mind of recent times.

 

[Bald]

Does anyone have “good” info on the dollars for each contract? Or is the mentioned amount based solely on what a BF poster thinks is appropriate?

It’s based on what Sam Edmund reported. No indication of what Tim is earning but at the end of the day it’s irrelevant as we aren’t privy to the amounts of the contracts of other players in the cap.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Max Gawn didn't have the lure of going "home", you would hope he doesn't, but like Dog36 says they should plan for it now.

If there was going to ever be the lure of going home it is now, given his partner spends a good chuck of the year in Perth.

 

[0utsider]

I would have liked a bit longer but it’s not the worst thing. I think we’ll either still be challenging then or facing a turnover of the list, and I think that’ll decide what he wants to do. I think he’ll stay if we’re in flag contention.

If we’re at the point of a reset then as long as there’s good compo on offer (which I think there would be) I could live with him going.

Much happier with this than a Grundie-like albatross.

Think it’s safe to say that unless a bomb hits the Whitten Oval we will not be looking at a list turnover in 2 years.

 

[Ash1337]

Great seeing us sign Tim and Daniel

Now time for Daniel to play as a winger and never in defense again

Rather see him forward where he started. He's good at pinpointing targets and can collect the ball at ground lvl then distribute to a player in a better position. He might be able to learn to crumb goals

 

[mattwa]

Think it’s safe to say that unless a bomb hits the Whitten Oval we will not be looking at a list turnover in 2 years.

Darcy and Jamarra should be playing some good footy by then

 

[Libbaaaa]

If there was going to ever be the lure of going home it is now, given his partner spends a good chuck of the year in Perth.

Netball season runs for 3 months.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Think it’s safe to say that unless a bomb hits the Whitten Oval we will not be looking at a list turnover in 2 years.

I’m reasonably bullish but two years from now Hunter, Macrae, Bont, Dale, Daniel Treloar etc will be in their late 20s and Bruce, Libba, JJ and Keath will be into their 30s and possibly retired.

If we’re still in contention it will depend on our best mids holding form and health and young players stepping up.

If two years from now some of the above are retired or banged up and we’re mid-table players like English might want to explore their options and we might look to freshen up.