Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[iambrilliant]

Problem is there's not many options for a wingman or fast inside mid. Options are Gresham, McIntosh & Neal-Bullen.

Bergman ?

 

[hatescaptcha]

If an interstate club like WC finish last I’d be throwing multiple first rounders at them for pick 1 and nab Harley Reid. Kid is going to be unstoppable. And would jump straight into our midfield rotations and be the key player in our future midfield rebuild - absolute bull.



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[The Inbetweener]

If an interstate club like WC finish last I’d be throwing multiple first rounders at them for pick 1 and nab Harley Reid. Kid is going to be unstoppable. And would jump straight into our midfield rotations and be the key player in our future midfield rebuild - absolute bull.



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If you want to get pick 1 off WC they’d be asking for Naughton

 

[Euku]

Who would trade 3 first rounders for Reid 2 this year and 1 next year , I say let's do it

 

[weltschmerz]

Who would trade 3 first rounders for Reid 2 this year and 1 next year , I say let's do it

I wouldn’t. I’d rather have three chances at a star than one. Matt Rowell was an extraordinary junior too, then got injured four games into his career and hasn’t ever recaptured that form.

 

[weltschmerz]

Problem is there's not many options for a wingman or fast inside mid. Options are Gresham, McIntosh & Neal-Bullen.

Poulter looked promising in our intraclub and will be there mid season.

 

[Ash1337]

Bergman ?

I mean FA's. More likely to target a out of contract winger.

 

[D Mitchell]

"The next Andrew McLeod!"

Whenever I see LOL or the appropriate imoj, I know I am dealing with an idiot.

 

[dogwatch]

Whenever I see LOL or the appropriate imoj, I know I am dealing with an idiot.

LOL

 

[Mofra]

I mean FA's. More likely to target a out of contract winger.

Don't really see much outside talent that we'd consider in this years' FA crop as a mid.

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Fiorini is decent but can he play full time outside?

I'd still target Bergmann. We could take him for a first rounder + change and still take our second first round pick to draft

 

[Foxman98]

Don't really see much outside talent that we'd consider in this years' FA crop as a mid.

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Fiorini is decent but can he play full time outside?

I'd still target Bergmann. We could take him for a first rounder + change and still take our second first round pick to draft

Fiorini is a slow big bodied inside mid

 

[Mofra]

Fiorini is a slow big bodied inside mid

So was Mitch Robinson.
TBH I don't think we're in the position to target 'okish' type players anyway at the trade table. Either very good, about to become very good (e.g. Bergman) or hit the draft.

 

[Barking Mad]

Our cap will be super tight so unless someone does a Dunkley and wants too much, I’d say that next year will be quiet and it’ll be draft to save coin . Keen to see more of Kelllet in VFL, looks a very good ball user

 

[Smiley Boy]

Our cap will be super tight so unless someone does a Dunkley and wants too much, I’d say that next year will be quiet and it’ll be draft to save coin . Keen to see more of Kelllet in VFL, looks a very good ball user

im pretty sure we have a bit of room to move after losing Hunter and Dunkley both around 700k mark

 

[Mofra]

im pretty sure we have a bit of room to move after losing Hunter and Dunkley both around 700k mark

We may not hang on to everyone either - Bailey Williams as a FA could appeal to a SA club keen to bolster a wing spot.
Poor Seedsman has had his career ruined by concussion.

 

[Nat Fyfe]

Our cap will be super tight so unless someone does a Dunkley and wants too much, I’d say that next year will be quiet and it’ll be draft to save coin . Keen to see more of Kelllet in VFL, looks a very good ball user

I'd have thought the opposite. Moving Hunter and Dunkley out would be saving huge coin, and Schache wouldn't have been on a minimum

 

[Smiley Boy]

I'd have thought the opposite. Moving Hunter and Dunkley out would be saving huge coin, and Schache wouldn't have been on a minimum

Martin & Wallis too

 

[doggies ftw]

Martin & Wallis too

JJs big contract heavily reduced last year too, and I believe this might be last year for both Keath and Bruce from memory who would be on pretty large contracts when we brought them over and will both (Bruce especially) likely be on heavily reduced contracts next year.

On the flip side Lobbs contract probably isn’t small, hopefully we front loaded it a bit so it doesn’t hamstring us over the next 4 years if we grow out of him. Jones probably not massive but I doubt it’s tiny.

Going to need monster contracts for Naughty, English & Baz in the next couple of years. Marra possibly too and Darcy although maybe a bit further down the track.

Hard to know for sure how we’re sitting, you’d think the fact we could pay Dunks but didn’t would mean for the short term we might have a little bit to through around but I can’t imagine we’d be flush with cash considering the strength of our list and more importantly the age profile where a huge amount of our list have entered their prime earning years now

 

[Mofra]

I don't think there's much contract increase to worry about with Naughts. Isn't he in the top 3 or 4 guys getting paid at the club (as he should be)?

 

[Dogsman16]

I don't think there's much contract increase to worry about with Naughts. Isn't he in the top 3 or 4 guys getting paid at the club (as he should be)?

Naughton is already on large coin. 750k+ from what HS said. Think he got a good deal when Tom Boyd retired.

 

[BulldogMuscle]

Our cap will be super tight so unless someone does a Dunkley and wants too much, I’d say that next year will be quiet and it’ll be draft to save coin . Keen to see more of Kelllet in VFL, looks a very good ball user

Complete opposite.

There was a post on WOOF recently (ill see if i can find it) that went through where our salary cap is at after the last trade period, the poster used media-articles to speculate where exactly our cap is at, I believe the conclusion was we should have close to 1m to play with. At the end of the last trade period we lost the following:
JD's 700k+
Hunters 650+
Martin 350k
Wallis 450k

JJ also got heavily reduced on his new contract, that went from 650k down to a rumored 350-400k mark. As said earlier, Schache wasn't on basic income as well, neither was Zaine, both were on (rumored) low to middle of the road numbers. Lobb has come in on a 700k year deal whilst Jones is rumored to be on around 500k.

Long story short, we have some money to spare and realistically could chase a pretty decent target whilst still offering Naughton, Smith and JUH pretty damn decent coin to re-sign. We aren't tight, at all.

(Also as stated elsewhere, going from the ShowMeTheMoneyII documentary on STAN, we aren't paying any of Hunters salary, sounds like a new salary was negotiated at the Demons and his last one with us was torn up).

 

[doggies ftw]

Complete opposite.

There was a post on WOOF recently (ill see if i can find it) that went through where our salary cap is at after the last trade period, the poster used media-articles to speculate where exactly our cap is at, I believe the conclusion was we should have close to 1m to play with. At the end of the last trade period we lost the following:
JD's 700k+
Hunters 650+
Martin 350k
Wallis 450k

JJ also got heavily reduced on his new contract, that went from 650k down to a rumored 350-400k mark. As said earlier, Schache wasn't on basic income as well, neither was Zaine, both were on (rumored) low to middle of the road numbers. Lobb has come in on a 700k year deal whilst Jones is rumored to be on around 500k.

Long story short, we have some money to spare and realistically could chase a pretty decent target whilst still offering Naughton, Smith and JUH pretty damn decent coin to re-sign. We aren't tight, at all.

(Also as stated elsewhere, going from the ShowMeTheMoneyII documentary on STAN, we aren't paying any of Hunters salary, sounds like a new salary was negotiated at the Demons and his last one with us was torn up).

These things are always so hard to know though there’s so so soooo many variables. I really wish contracts were public knowledge like in the US.

I don’t think you can really take much from an analysis unless you actually know the terms & values which we don’t as fans. But I agree we should be sitting okay due to the reasons you’ve listed above, but there’s no way we’d have a spare mil lying around - if we had a million spare with this list which is genuinely stacked, and mostly all in their prime, well Sam Power is the absolutely untouchable GOAT list manager

 

[_Cerberus_]

The problem is, if JUH and Darcy overtake Naughton, which is a real possibility and something that would not surprise me. Then we will need to fork out a fair bit on just three KPF alone, which will push our future cap tight. Especially given many teams lack decent key forwards. It is a position that would be in hot demand, teams would throw big money around to try entice one to come to their club. Even if we have some cap space, its not as simple as lets chase another gun player. Future planning is also taking in to consideration. Who is coming off contract? What their next contact may command etc.

If we had a bit of cap room, we could chase another decent player. Or we could restructure some big contracts and front load them. So we have a more balanced cap over the next few years and keep the list together. I admire Geelongs list management as they are able to stack their teams, and keep everyone happy, by sticking to a certain structure with their payments. Easily been the best managed team the past 15 years by a long shot.

 

[doggies ftw]

The problem is, if JUH and Darcy overtake Naughton, which is a real possibility and something that would not surprise me. Then we will need to fork out a fair bit on just three KPF alone, which will push our future cap tight. Especially given many teams lack decent key forwards. It is a position that would be in hot demand, teams would throw big money around to try entice one to come to their club. Even if we have some cap space, its not as simple as lets chase another gun player. Future planning is also taking in to consideration. Who is coming off contract? What their next contact may command etc.

If we had a bit of cap room, we could chase another decent player. Or we could restructure some big contracts and front load them. So we have a more balanced cap over the next few years and keep the list together. I admire Geelongs list management as they are able to stack their teams, and keep everyone happy, by sticking to a certain structure with their payments. Easily been the best managed team the past 15 years by a long shot.

I get where you’re coming from and agree with the sentiment, but I think Marra & Darce are at least 3 years off commanding mega dollars. In that time Lobb, Jones, Libba, Treloar will free up significant coin, and Macrae and Bonts contracts will be probably over their most lucrative stages and on the way down.

So I think our age profile for our stars is staggered pretty well in that regard and if we had cash to splash now I wouldn’t worry about Marra & Darces contracts just yet.

But yeah it’s definitely a juggling act you need to get right and if Darcy and Marra are better than Naughty, well it doesn’t matter who else is running out on the ground we’re gonna be bloody hard to beat even with a VFL paid midfield

 

[Bulldogs85]

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