Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 8 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Opposition supporters coming to troll , you have been warned

 

[Mojorisin]

He won't leave for peanuts,

We either get something for him or pay him out

I'd say something like
Jamarra and F3 for Budarick and F4.
That's if Dimma can convince the Suns that taking on Jamarra is the right move, or even if Dimma still wants to pursue it further once meeting with Jamarra in person.

 

[Chalky White]

I wouldn’t be against asking about Concetta. Minimum chips, can definitely shut down a rampant mid and has a little bit of campaigner in him.

 

[goodcop badcop]

You can’t kidnap the players and make them nominate you.

Not sure how much more ruthless we could have been offering a 4.5 million contract to a 30 year old.

Outside of offering a competitive contract and pitching to the player there’s not a whole lot more you can do if they don’t want to nominate.

I wasn't talking just about Wilkie, Hawthorn clearly wanted Barrass more then we did for example. But in Wilkie's case, perhaps he wasn't sure we would get the deal done because we wouldn't trade him in at all costs. We don't know the exact reason. I was also thinking if we offered that deal earlier in the season, the Saints may have thought twice about bringing in Silvagni on that amount of money after upping Wilkie's payment.

Think it's pretty fair to at least ask some strong questions of our list management team since they let us down often.

 

[Guido]

If you knew the real.story of what we offered in trade you wouldn't say that. We couldn't have done anymore.

What have you heard that we offered?

 

[Testekill]

I wasn't talking just about Wilkie, Hawthorn clearly wanted Barrass more then we did for example. But in Wilkie's case, perhaps he wasn't sure we would get the deal done because we wouldn't trade him in at all costs. We don't know the exact reason. I was also thinking if we offered that deal earlier in the season, the Saints may have thought twice about bringing in Silvagni on that amount of money after upping Wilkie's payment.

Think it's pretty fair to at least ask some strong questions of our list management team since they let us down often.

I believe a big problem is that Bevo doesn't want to meet players during the season because of some sense of fairness or something like that. Sam Mitchell has been meeting players during the season to get them to consider Hawthorn so by the time the trade period comes around the Hawthorn deal is all they think about.

 

[adogsfan5]

I believe a big problem is that Bevo doesn't want to meet players during the season because of some sense of fairness or something like that. Sam Mitchell has been meeting players during the season to get them to consider Hawthorn so by the time the trade period comes around the Hawthorn deal is all they think about.

Didn’t he meet with Rowell mid season?

 

[Libbaaaa]

I believe a big problem is that Bevo doesn't want to meet players during the season because of some sense of fairness or something like that. Sam Mitchell has been meeting players during the season to get them to consider Hawthorn so by the time the trade period comes around the Hawthorn deal is all they think about.

There's meeting players which I believe Bevo does and then there is Sam Mitchell flying out to Perth mid week to sweet talk Barrass or meeting with Merrett the week of a finals game.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Anyone interested in Petracca?

 

[Golden_6]

Didn’t he meet with Rowell mid season?

Bevo has definitely changed his tone since the Barrass ordeal. He's probably realised that integrity gets you nowhere in the AFL and the most successful clubs will continue to be the most ruthless when it comes to player acquisitions.

 

[Bald]

Anyone interested in Petracca?

You don't improve your defensive profile by bringing in more forward attacking focused midfielders.

Wonderful player and it'd be foolish to say no, but not a fit for where we are now.

 

[Foxman98]

Anyone interested in Petracca?

Not really no,

Bont Treloar Libba all 30+ or nearing on

 

[Testekill]

Didn’t he meet with Rowell mid season?

He met with Rowell mid season because he recognises that playing nice cost us Barrass. Gotta be ruthless with this sort of thing like the big clubs, everyone knows that Geelong had Smith's contract signed six months out.

 

[MaxiBont]

Around 1 mil for Wilkie

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Im happy to over pay but it needs to be for the right player, I was more then happy offering Wilkie 1.4M for example. I'm even happy for an increased offer for Butts but not for an injury prone Jsos or a 27Y/O Tylar Young who can't nail down a best 23 spot in the tigers team.

For all of the gnashing of teeth going on. We've missed out on one player we've targeted in JSoS. A player so mid his picture appears next to the word in the Oxford dictionary, a player who ultimately went for more than he's worth to us. So as to be under long term protective umbrella that daddies presence at St.Kilda affords him. It's telling that he bailed as soon as it became apparent that he didn't really have a future at Carlton. Yes. that Carlton!

With Wilkie we took a shot at a player who was always at very long odds of leaving, a gambit whose ultimate payoff may not be seen for a season or two. That being the pressure his re-signing brings to bear on a competitors crash or crash through list management strategies.

Butts and Young have always felt like players that would be approached not because they are an answer to an issue, but because of a media or fan driven pressure to be seen as not doing nothin. Id guess thats why our interest has been lukewarm warm at best.

And nothing is what I'd rather do than reach and overpay for the likes of Butts or Young which is what would/will happen if any of these trades come to pass.

We targeted and fired our shot at a Semi-elite answer to our problem with Wilkie. It didnt come to pass. So we move on. Saving the extraordinary of Butters nominating us anytime soon...Id expect us to do what we've done for some time and continue on with the tried and true strategy of bringing in one or two mid-tier role players to fill utility type roles. And then go to the draft and continue on with our preferred methodology of developing our own.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

I wouldn’t be against asking about Concetta. Minimum chips, can definitely shut down a rampant mid and has a little bit of campaigner in him.

I can’t help but think this is Hardwick’s ego at play here, get one over Bevo, by turning him around.

 

[Shacf501]

I can’t help but think this is Hardwick’s ego at play here, get one over Bevo, by turning him around.

we all know if he does actually pull his head in and give it a go he will kill it!

 

[Norm De Guerre]

I can’t help but think this is Hardwick’s ego at play here, get one over Bevo, by turning him around.

I reckon its just a case of Dimma thinking that lightning can strike twice in the same place under his guidance.

He's been credited with turning Dusty from being an unfulfilled wayward talent into a modern great and he'd be thinking about the tantalising possibility of doing the same with Jamarra.

And I reckon that he'll take the punt.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Draft picks galore, $5m sign-on pool: Tasmania's list build rules revealed

The AFL's 19th club, Tasmania, will have access to a huge array of concessions as it builds its inaugural list

www.afl.com.au

 

[Bulldogs85]

Around 1 mil for Wilkie

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Apparently Wilkie was meant to have a meeting with Bont but didn’t get to that point

 

[Golden_6]

Draft picks galore, $5m sign-on pool: Tasmania's list build rules revealed

The AFL's 19th club, Tasmania, will have access to a huge array of concessions as it builds its inaugural list

www.afl.com.au

Sort of good news for us. If Sanders does take the Tassie bait, I feel reasonably confident of walking away with something like pick 7 or 11.

 

[Dogsman16]

GCS chasing Jamarra is a head scratcher.

Even if JUH turns it around, he’s just stifling the development of Walter.

And with plenty of speculation regarding Ben Kings long term future, they would be better off getting Curnow, instead of someone whose about 5% of turning this around.

 

[cleveland]

Marra has just arrived on the GC for a meeting supposedly going by media reports.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Knowing our luck Hardwick will turn him into the greatest key defender the world has ever seen.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Sort of good news for us. If Sanders does take the Tassie bait, I feel reasonably confident of walking away with something like pick 7 or 11.

Depends on his contract status I think as if he’s uncontracted they can get him as a free agent and we just get a compo pick

 

[goodcop badcop]

GCS chasing Jamarra is a head scratcher.

Even if JUH turns it around, he’s just stifling the development of Walter.

And with plenty of speculation regarding Ben Kings long term future, they would be better off getting Curnow, instead of someone whose about 5% of turning this around.

Agree. They have Ethan Read as well. Really isn't worth the risk I don't think.

Only real hole is lack of small forwards from what I can see.