Trade Buckley?

[Rival_V]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Trade Buckley?

Originally posted by grayham
This is not a troll, and if you overlook your emotional attachment to Buckley, its actually constructive.

Why don't we trade Burnsy as well his in good form as well?

Would you have traded Paul Kelly in his prime?

How about this one -

Should Port trade Primus because they can win without him? Don't forget, Port have a fair few capable ruckman on their list.

Go ask the folks on the Port forum.

 

[Nic]

Um, no.

 

[Perty4]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Trade Buckley?

Originally posted by grayham
This is not a troll, and if you overlook your emotional attachment to Buckley, its actually constructive.

Agreed, this is actually a constructive post that has got a bit of debate. Believe me its a constant topic on Collingwood boards that we are too Buckley focused when we're looking for him out wide rather than going directly towards the forward line. In short my answer is hell no... but you can never say never in this game.

As per your other posts, id replace "rarely" with "constantly" in regards to your posting on anti collingwood threads. At least this one is being more constructive.

 

[Babylove]

I do think at times we can be too Buckley focused. But we wouldn't trade him. For starters, he is to valuable to trade, to another club. Plus if we were to do this, he could then hurt us when he plays against us.

As for the issue of a ruckman, I don't think we'd need to trade Buckley for a decent one. For example, say Darcy came up at the end of the year (there's already talk that he'll leave Bulldogs), the Bulldogs wouldn't take Buckley because they couldn't afford him. They'd probably rather some high draft picks, and a younger player that they wouldn't have to pay as highly.

So Bucks won't be traded, the thought wouldn't even be entertained by the powers that be, so it is really a dead issue.

 

[FIGJAM]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Trade Buckley?

Originally posted by grayham
This is not a troll, and if you overlook your emotional attachment to Buckley, its actually constructive.

OK, emotions detached:

When was the last time a team won a flag without a genuine superstar?

Can't remember?? I'm not sure it has even happened!!

As good as Tarrant, Burns, Lica are, they aren't superstars (Taz has the potential).

So the answer would be no. Especially because the human being in question is playing at his prime and almost got us over the line in a Grand Final, with a best on ground performance. He is a proven big game player.

Nice to see that you think about the Champion in your spare time Cryhan!!

 

[morgoth]

go away

Grayham, hang it on us re our draw, Eddie anything as long as it is not a comment on our team structure. Lockyear has not been missed in the centre clearences, hmmm that would be cos he plays as a link man.

Collingwood has something you would not understand, pride and loyalty to those who have stuck by us during our darkest hours. Bux was our shining light in the gloom of the Unshaw years, he could have walked for more money, success etc but did not.

He sets the example for our young players, his work ethic and professionalism are second to none. Along with Licca and others a fine enviroment for our young players to be nurtured.

You should be banned from this section.

 

[MarkT]

Nice troll grayham. Just for the hack of it:

Originally posted by grayham
Should you consider trading buckley?

No, he is our best footballer and has won many a game for his club (ask any Adelaide supporter how many times he has been THE DIFFERENCE), a shining example of work ethic and dedication for the other players, a good leader who is respected by the club, supporters and players a good marketing comodity and he is a very, very loyal Collingwood person. On top of that his preparation is such that he rarely gets injurred badly adn when he is not fully fit he almost always manages to play. Couldn't ask for anything more from a midfielder.

Originally posted by grayham
You play a lot better without him,

Not really. We have a good record without him and much of that is down to extra effort by the rest when he is out and a deep midfield. His great assets per above add a lot to the team every week, every year. No other player that I have ever seen has his record for consistant excellence. You cannot replace that in a club. Under different coaches with different game plans and different requirements from Buckley he has excelled.

Originally posted by grayham
and as he has stated more than a number of times, is only interesting in winning a flag,

No he hasn't. This is yet another made up grayham fact. You are a liar grayham and you know it.

Originally posted by grayham
which your current team doesnt have the depth in talent to do.

We shall see over the next 4 years that Buckley is captain.

Originally posted by grayham
Without him, you seem to play more as a team, and help each other out, and the midfield becomes one combined focussed unit.

Nonesence. Without him we beat Port in a final with a great team effort where quite a few others picked up the slack. With him we beat Adelaide in a final with a great team effort. With him we lost to a fantastic Brisbane side in the GF and out performed all non Collingwood predictions wityh a great team effort. With him this year we beat ADelaide BECAUSE BUCKLEY got the vital clearance and kicked the ball to Tarrant after a great team effort.

Even back in 1999, our worst year in our entire history, we did not win a game until Buckley returned from a broken jaw and we won because Buckley was BOG.

Yet more made up grayham facts.

Originally posted by grayham
Trade him while he's still worth something. Ideally to Port. A win for all concerned?

He had his chance to go to Port for big $ as their original captain and he chose to stay with HIS CLUB, Collingwood, even though they were out of the finals and he was not going to win a flag with that squad. Yes grayham that is completely accurate, not made up grayham facts.

See you in September IF you are there with us.

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by grayham
Do you, or do you not win more games without him, than with him?

Not.
How many games is it you think we have won without him? he barely misses a game so it can't possibly be too many. In fact I would think he has missed less games than we have won in his carreer so your silly question or rather statement given it's clear tone is illogical nonsense. Now there is a surprise.

Originally posted by grayham
The choice is simple:
a) Chance at a flag in the next couple of years.
b) Keep Buckley.

How is it you think losing Buckley improves the team enough to win a flag when you think the team is highly over rated?

Even if they were not over rated, would give anything up for a player as damaging to the team as you think Buckley is?

Even then, what difference would losing Buckley and gaining whoeverthehell fro whateverclub make to Collingwood's premiership chances?

Just more ill informed, spiteful nonesence laced with made up grayham facts. Your obsession is unhealthy and your spite will give you an ulcer.

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by Lockyer24
grayham

Kangaroos traded Carey well after he was at his peak

Bucks is still at his peak - still the best midfielder in the game (apologies to Voss and Wanganeen)

Ask again in 2 years perhaps

Kangaroos traded Carey because and only because he f***ed his vice captains wife. Buckley has much more integrety than Carey and IS COllingwood. One thing you do not do lightly, if ever, is trash club legends who blead for the jumper and love the club. Buckley is a fantastic player but is also worth a great deal as a clubman, much like Kelley for the Swans. Even though Kelley played his best football 3+ years before his overdue retirement, the Swans kept him because of what he meant to a club without soul. Thankfully Collingwood have plenty of sould but the reason is because of men like Buckley and all those who came before him. It is the people who have bled black and white blood that make Collingwood what it is and the fact that outsiders don't understand only serves to underline the uniqueness of The CVlub that is Collingwood.

Buckely will never be traded. I am more than happy with that.

 

[grayham]

Originally posted by MarkT
Kangaroos traded Carey because and only because he f***ed his vice captains wife. Buckley has much more integrety than Carey and IS COllingwood. One thing you do not do lightly, if ever, is trash club legends who blead for the jumper and love the club. Buckley is a fantastic player but is also worth a great deal as a clubman, much like Kelley for the Swans. Even though Kelley played his best football 3+ years before his overdue retirement, the Swans kept him because of what he meant to a club without soul. Thankfully Collingwood have plenty of sould but the reason is because of men like Buckley and all those who came before him. It is the people who have bled black and white blood that make Collingwood what it is and the fact that outsiders don't understand only serves to underline the uniqueness of The CVlub that is Collingwood.

Buckely will never be traded. I am more than happy with that.

And thats why you dont win as many premierships as a club in your position of dominance off-field should. Sentiment instead of harsh business decisions.

BTW, Who is Kelley?

 

[Joel]

Originally posted by grayham
And thats why you dont win as many premierships as a club in your position of dominance off-field should. Sentiment instead of harsh business decisions.

BTW, Who is Kelley?

Off field dominance as zero to do with on-field success, ask the Kanagaroos.

...yawn, next!

 

[hotpie]

Originally posted by MarkT


Buckely will never be traded. I am more than happy with that.

I'm still dirty on Collingwood for trading club legends like Peter McKenna, Len Thompson, Billy Picken and Mick McGuane. Its a miserable end to the career of a player of their calibre to send them off to the filthy opposition for one last season. McKenna, one of the all time greats (best set shot for goal in the history of the game), ended his career in the Carlton seconds, on the half back flank.

I hope it never happens again.

 

[grayham]

Originally posted by Joel
Off field dominance as zero to do with on-field success, ask the Kanagaroos.

...yawn, next!

Wrong. Kangaroos are the exception, not the rule.

 

[grayham]

Originally posted by MarkT
Not.
How many games is it you think we have won without him? he barely misses a game so it can't possibly be too many. In fact I would think he has missed less games than we have won in his carreer so your silly question or rather statement given it's clear tone is illogical nonsense. Now there is a surprise.

Obviously win ratios einstein.

How is it you think losing Buckley improves the team enough to win a flag when you think the team is highly over rated?

An overrated player is the best to trade. High market value.

Even if they were not over rated, would give anything up for a player as damaging to the team as you think Buckley is?

Even then, what difference would losing Buckley and gaining whoeverthehell fro whateverclub make to Collingwood's premiership chances?

Just more ill informed, spiteful nonesence laced with made up grayham facts. Your obsession is unhealthy and your spite will give you an ulcer.

If you can trade super-star for super-star, then your team would be far better off with a super star ruckman, forward, or key defender, than a midfielder, when you have capable ones anyway.

 

[The Scarecrow]

Would Collingwood trade Buckley? No, why trade one of your best players? Unless Collingwood is in debt, I doubt he will leave Collingwood unless he wants to leave. If Collingwood even gets desperate maybe then they may consider it, but right now there isn't a chance in hell of Collingwood trading Buckley off to anyone.

And I am not saying that because I am Collingwood supporter, I can see that Collingwood would never trade him unless he wants to go, or trade him because that can't afford to keep him.

 

[Rival_V]

Go ask Port fans about trading Primus since they are doing so well.

Or even Brisbane fans after loosing Nigel Lappin mid year for 4(?) weeks with a quad injury.

They seem to have an over-abundance of mid-fielders like us (apparently?).



So how about asking the Port and Brisbane fans.

Go on.

It's not to hard to talk about anything not Collingwood/Sydney related.

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by grayham
And thats why you dont win as many premierships as a club in your position of dominance off-field should. Sentiment instead of harsh business decisions.

No it is why our club has sould and yours has need for assistance.

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by grayham
Wrong. Kangaroos are the exception, not the rule.

And Hawthorns success of the 70's and 80's, Brisbane's curent success or Richmond's post Hafey record? It's club management that decides success.

 

[MarkT]

Originally posted by grayham
Obviously win ratios einstein.

Not what you said Einstein. So that would make you wrong yet again.

Originally posted by grayham
An overrated player is the best to trade. High market value.

Buckley is not over rated, he is the the most consistantlyu excellent player in the comp.

Originally posted by grayham
If you can trade super-star for super-star, then your team would be far better off with a super star ruckman, forward, or key defender, than a midfielder, when you have capable ones anyway.

You can't but what Buckley gives to Collingwood. This trading mentality is what kills a club not what wins it premierships.

I more than most believe a superstar ruckman would make a huge difference. You on the other hand I thought were of the opinion that ouor list was full of hacks and no hopers so a ruckman would make little difference to our premiership chances. As usual you lace made up graham facts with arguments of convieniance to arrive at incorrect conclusions.

Buckley will represent our best chance at the flag.

 

[Joel]

Originally posted by grayham
Wrong. Kangaroos are the exception, not the rule.

Um, Brisbane.

 

[Joel]

....and he dissapears.

 

[grayham]

What odds will you give me that the dogs will get up this weekend?

 

[FIGJAM]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Trade Buckley?

Originally posted by FIGJAM
OK, emotions detached:

When was the last time a team won a flag without a genuine superstar?

Can't remember?? I'm not sure it has even happened!!

As good as Tarrant, Burns, Lica are, they aren't superstars (Taz has the potential).

So the answer would be no. Especially because the human being in question is playing at his prime and almost got us over the line in a Grand Final, with a best on ground performance. He is a proven big game player.

Nice to see that you think about the Champion in your spare time Cryhan!!

Further to my magnificently orchestrated post, Buckley is on the veterans list next year, so we not only have a superstar, but we have one at half price!!

 

[Whisky_McKay]

Joel said of Grayham
...and he dissapears.

Up his own a.rse

 

[NICK THE PIE MAN]

Originally posted by grayham
What odds will you give me that the dogs will get up this weekend?

Short bloody odds.