List Mgmt. Trade/Draft SuperMegaUltraThread - 2016 edition?

[Nev57]

He improved markedly as the year went on, showed some solid progress to the point he debuted for us.

Do you see Karpany as a suitable small pocket forward ?

 

[Monocle]

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A couple of questions from someone too lazy to look at the mock thread itself, Monocle. Why no Waterman, was he picked too early for your liking?

Secondly what ruck prospects did you think we'd look at in this draft, and where are they? Something from WA that will last to the rookie draft? Obviously this last one is the sort of thing that might be impacted by trades and thus not something that a mock can readily take into account.

RE : Waterman as a general rule those who do the trial Mock generally let any prospective father and son picks slide so that they get picked up by others where the general consensus lies with fellow recruiters. I mentioned that in the Mock itself. Waterman was taken with pick # 53 FYI. So me passing on him at 50 was deliberate.

RE : Ruckmen. This is probably the worst year for many years to be looking for a ruck man in the draft , its very thin on that position.
IMO the best pure ruck man in the draft is a WA boy Goddard.
English from South Fremantle is ok but not a genuine AFL ruck man in my book rather a KPP that can ruck.
Outside that there are two others Peter Ladham's and Jordan Sweet from SA and Max Lynch Murray Bushrangers, none of whom I would take before the third round and thats a bit of a reach.

From a WC perspective our best prospect is WAFL player Darcy Cameron from Claremont, who has been passed over the last two years drafts but he has come on well this season and at 204 cm and 104 kg he is a player who can hold down a KPF role and also ruck.

 

[kane249]

Do you see Karpany as a suitable small pocket forward ?

He isn't a small forward, more of a mid / half forward flanker.

He isn't the solution to our small forward woes.

 

[Nev57]

He isn't a small forward, more of a mid / half forward flanker.

He isn't the solution to our small forward woes.

Then maybe we should look at Liam Ryan from Subi ,can be a real excitement machine and kicked anoth 4.4 today against Souths in the Qualifying final,

 

[avishka5]

We have to make sacrifices if we want to reach a flag in 2017. In this case, I feel sacrificing next years draft would be the best possible way to become a certain top 4 team next season.

ports done the same and look where its got them. Their last first rounder was wines in 2012. since then they have got an injury troubles polec, ryder and dixon who has issue with his ankle and is also pretty average. First rounders are worth gold (especially in good drafts) and shouldn't be traded for guys with serious question marks. Swallow has the talent but the injuries seem to be a worry. I rather us look to offload emac for him or something.

 

[kane249]

Then maybe we should look at Liam Ryan from Subi ,can be a real excitement machine and kicked anoth 4.4 today against Souths in the Qualifying final,

No doubt, hopefully we can snare him in the draft

 

[CM9000]

ports done the same and look where its got them. Their last first rounder was wines in 2012. since then they have got an injury troubles polec, ryder and dixon who has issue with his ankle and is also pretty average. First rounders are worth gold (especially in good drafts) and shouldn't be traded for guys with serious question marks. Swallow has the talent but the injuries seem to be a worry. I rather us look to offload emac for him or something.

Mackenzie would most likely get the trade done, but I'm trying to think if a way we could do it without losing him. Honestly, the ability to have McGovern up forward would probably benefit us more then having one of our best marks permanently down back.

I'm also thinking of the potential of the draft for this year (Rotham, SPP e.g.) that could also help us win the flag.

 

[avishka5]

Mackenzie would most likely get the trade done, but I'm trying to think if a way we could do it without losing him. Honestly, the ability to have McGovern up forward would probably benefit us more then having him permanently down back.

I'm also thinking of the potential of the draft for this year (Rotham, SPP e.g.) that could also help us win the flag.

i like emac and think he will reach some form but its a trade that would benefit both parties and its not too risk. Suns get an elite defenders that can support may for 2-4 years and we get a gun mid that has a few injury issues. i would keep our first this year and really chuck the kitchen sink at coniglio next season when his contract is up.

Mcgovern is an AA defender and until Barrass reaches that level, he should stay in defence. I would argue that he is the second best defender in the comp behind rance (talia due to his constancy over his career but gov elite in many facets of his game).

 

[CM9000]

i like emac and think he will reach some form but its a trade that would benefit both parties and its not too risk. Suns get an elite defenders that can support may for 2-4 years and we get a gun mid that has a few injury issues. i would keep our first this year and really chuck the kitchen sink at coniglio next season when his contract is up.

Mcgovern is an AA defender and until Barrass reaches that level, he should stay in defence. I would argue that he is the second best defender in the comp behind rance (talia due to his constancy over his career but gov elite in many facets of his game).

That actually does sound pretty good when you put it that way. Hope you don't mind, but if we were to acquire both Coniglio and Swallow by 2018, how would our best 22 look?

EDIT: Fixed mistakes

 

[avishka5]

That actually does sound pretty good when you put it that way. Hope you don't mind, but if we were to squire both Coniglio and Swallow by 2017, how would our best 22 look?

do you mean 2018 cause coniglio isn't out of contract by next year
my 2018b22
FB Hurn Schofield McGovern
HB Sheppard Barrass Yeo
C Jetta Coniglio Gaff
HF Swallow Kennedy Karpany
FF Cripps Darling Lycett
R Naitanui Sheed Shuey
I Cole Duggan Wellingham Redden
E Partington Nelson Tunbridge

 

[CM9000]

do you mean 2018 cause coniglio isn't out of contract by next year
my 2018b22
FB Hurn Schofield McGovern
HB Sheppard Barrass Yeo
C Jetta Coniglio Gaff
HF Swallow Kennedy Karpany
FF Cripps Darling Lycett
R Naitanui Sheed Shuey
I Cole Duggan Wellingham Redden
E Partington Nelson Tunbridge

Yeah, I meant 2018, fixed it.

Thanks for sharing that, appreciate it. Although, why isn't Kennedy at FF?

 

[avishka5]

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Yeah, I meant 2018, fixed it.

Thanks for sharing that, appreciate it. Although, why isn't Kennedy at FF?

e positioning doesn't really matter, they both play both positions on a regular basis.

 

[Eaglespur]

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e positioning doesn't really matter, they both play both positions on a regular basis.

Getting Conig and Swallow is a wet dream

 

[mattyc75]

We have to make sacrifices if we want to reach a flag in 2017. In this case, I feel sacrificing next years draft would be the best possible way to become a certain top 4 team next season.

Next year's draft is strong for kpps,we will need to draft some talks if we don't get lobb

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[Obeanie1]

You'd have to think they will keep him after developing for years and only now just seeing reward. PLus if he doesnt re-sign I dont think he qualifies as a delisted free agent

I'm not 100% sure how you qualify as a DFA either but if a club offers you a deal and another offers a better deal you aren't obliged to stay. You would then be delisted.

Why would Majak come here on a 1 year deal for average money when he would get a better deal at a number of Melbourne based clubs?

At the end of the day we need a stop gap or a guy of the ability and age bracket of Lobb. At 26-27 Majak daw is not worth 2 or 3 year deal as he's not good enough/ young enough to be a long term fixture in a side that desperately needs mids

It wouldnt be a 1 year deal that was made obvious in my post. Better money and longer term.

Daw looks like a danderous forward who can pinch hit in the ruck. He would free up Darling and can actually take a big mark over a pack.

 

[Obeanie1]

Just msg my mate about Adamson delisting .
He said wce had no problem with his performance on the field .

Have any of our younger posters seen him out and about ?
Is he a bit of a party boy ?
could explain a few things

Did he hang out with Yeo off field?

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

lol Petrie.

We don't need a ruck. Lycett is about to break out and Giles was BOG against a bloody good ruckman in Jacobs.

Port played with a 2nd string back as a ruck.
Sydney finished top with half a season from Tippet and Sinclair.
Dogs smashed us and they don't even have a ruck.

The days of lace out ruck taps to fast moving mids are somewhat gone. (Cox to Judd/Cousins/Kerr)
The better contested teams just get the ball to ground then hunt the bloody thing.

We need midfielders who can hunt the ball, smash through congestion and are quick and clean with their hands.

No ruckman in the world is going to cover the loss of Nic who is one of our top 3 contested midfielders as well as a dominant tap ruck.

 

[Galileo9]

I am not sure if it's a good idea to start spreading whole drug thing without solid info.

 

[Tom_Thumb]

Absence of mcginnity on the delist list makes me a sad panda

Idiots like this are the reason we are becoming Freo. Sad Panda what kind moronic flog says that ?

 

[Falco]

If we had the picks in the end of the first/second rounds, would anyone take Marshall or Kerr? They are both KPF and would enable us to get another year of development into them before Kennedy starts to drop off in 2 years (2018/2019), instead of waiting for the 2017 draft and not having any KPF when Kennedy retires.

Obviously this strategy relies upon us having more than one second rounder, which i'm assuming comes from a Mackenzie trade. If we had more than two seconds, I really like Willem Drew. I've said many times in thread that I'm inclined towards big list turnover this year through delistings and trade towards an accumlation of picks. My dream draft:

First: Rotham
Early Second: Bolton
Second: Drew / SPP
Third: Guelfi / Waterman
Fourth: Ryan / Waterman

RD: Strnadica, Goddard

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Because there's less tackles perhaps?

Actually Keyser there is a lot of tackles in the WAFL but that is due mainly to so many targets missed and the ball is in dispute more often.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

He isn't a small forward, more of a mid / half forward flanker.

He isn't the solution to our small forward woes.

Our perceived small forward problem is because our midfield is average, have a look at the odd games our midfield wins and our small forwards go alright on those days.

 

[WCErevival]

Lecras is weighing up retiring according to jakovich on the radio. Said he wouldnt want to play for east perth and knows he may n9t last another year.

 

[wraglesweb]

If we had the picks in the end of the first/second rounds, would anyone take Marshall or Kerr? They are both KPF and would enable us to get another year of development into them before Kennedy starts to drop off in 2 years (2018/2019), instead of waiting for the 2017 draft and not having any KPF when Kennedy retires. Obviously this strategy relies upon us having more than one second rounder, which i'm assuming comes from a Mackenzie trade. If we had more than two seconds, I really like Willem Drew.

I've said many times in thread that I'm inclined towards big list turnover this year through delistings and trade towards an accumlation of picks. My dream draft:

First: Rotham
Early Second: Bolton
Second: Drew / SPP
Third: Guelfi / Waterman
Fourth: Ryan / Waterman

RD: Strnadica, Goddard

I'm hearing Bolton is firming for our first

And is expected that after the combine his stocks will rise

Although i would really like to pickup Scrimshaw i would be happy enough with Bolton.

He's kicked 37 goals in his last 15 games and has setup many more

He also looks at home running through the midfield which gives a bit of versatility aswell

 

[avishka5]

I'm hearing Bolton is firming for our first

And is expected that after the combine his stocks will rise

Although i would really like to pickup Scrimshaw i would be happy enough with Bolton.

He's kicked 37 goals in his last 15 games and has setup anymore

He also looks at home running through the midfield which gives a bit of versatility aswell

Yeah i would have liked a mod but after years of neglecting small crumbing forwards, this is a step in the right direction.