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I love how every Essendon fan is automatically pro James Hird. Just FYI, I'm not pro or anti Hird. I just accept that Hird will be at the club next year.
But keep those tissues handy okay?
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While his point was phrased badly, it is valid. And he's not really going about explaining it well or debating well either.
Ryder will eventually decide on a club. And that decision won't be made on which club can give Essendon the highest draft pick, so Essendon might not have a choice and they might have to accept pick 22 (or whatever was bandied about earlier). Which is also definitely unders.
At least that's my understanding of it.
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There is no way we do 1 for 4 and Jaksch.
Jaksch offers very little in the way of value in a trade for pick 1. He is out of contract, has requested a trade out and we have pick 1 in the PSD. If he wants to come to the Saints we will get him for cheap anyway.
Same goes for JOR (assuming he requests a trade out like Jaksch). JOR might be worth a bit more than Jaksch but I still don't think he is worth the downgrade from pick 1.
If we trade pick 1 it will be on our terms. We hold all the cards and we either end up with a trade we like or we take the best kid in the draft. It really doesn't matter, either option is good for us. If a club wants pick 1 they will have to pay for it.
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who the hell cares what we say on our board. Fact of the matter is, we can speculate what we want, you guys can have a read and laugh if you so choose. We hold the cards, if there isn't a deal on the table that we like, we simply won't take it. The vast majority of us are more than happy to take Petracca, but we're also happy to speculate on potential offers that as a club, we'd entertain or take.
If GWS wants Petracca, they can start shuffling their players and picks into multiple combinations to try to appease us. And in this vein, it is more than likely - with the aggressive and methodical approach used by Pelchen, we'll only take a deal if it is significant overs in our favour. So who knows what will happen. Up to GWS' list management team to decide what they're willing to offer us.
If GWS wants Petracca, they can start shuffling their players and picks into multiple combinations to try to appease us. And in this vein, it is more than likely - with the aggressive and methodical approach used by Pelchen, we'll only take a deal if it is significant overs in our favour. So who knows what will happen. Up to GWS' list management team to decide what they're willing to offer us.
Sounds like GWS could get Danger cheaper than pick 1. Petracca "should" be a quality mid, but there are planty of "proven" quality mids floating around at the moment.
GWS have had no end of offers for their talls im sure they wouldnt flinch taking McCartin then maybe offer him up in 2 years for Billings and a 1st
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There was nothing in my post that would indicate that Dangerfield would be cheaper than pick 1.
So you think we should give up pick 1 for a lower pick (also not a sure thing) and a virtually unproven player in Jaksch because Petracca isn't a sure thing? That makes no sense.
As i've stated before, i think the Saints are better off with 2 "potential" quality spine players over 1 "potential" mid.
Also think anything over 4+Jaksch GWS could do better elsewhere.
Should be a win/win but if the pelicans beak is bigger than his belly Saints get the 1 mid and GWS find a win elsewhere.
Not really a loss situation anywhere when your talking 1,4,Jaksch and JOR just less of a win/win.
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Thoughts on this hypothetical Mega trade??
Beams to Brisbane., lose pick 4, lose second rounder
Dangerfield and JR to Collingwood. Lose Beams and Scharenberg, second rounder
Adelaides first round pick to Richmond, plus Brisbane's second rounder. Lose JR
Scharenberg and Pick 4 to Adelaide, plus Collingwoods second rounder. Lose Dangerfield and first round pick
What are peoples thoughts. I am not even sure this is my preferable scenario.
I am just thinking better for Beams in Brisbane now, Collingwood will want something for Beams rather than through FA. They get a chance to still chase a premiership
Richmond need younger list time to build, JR better chance to win premiership close to home and age peers with Pendles and Cloke etc....
Adelaide get something for Dangerfield instead via FA and south Australian connections to. Also have a chance to build with Scharenberg and pick(4)hoping Durdin!.
The trade scenario assumes Melbourne does not get pick 3 compo for Frawley because draft pick values changes if that compo gets up!
Beams to Brisbane., lose pick 4, lose second rounder
Dangerfield and JR to Collingwood. Lose Beams and Scharenberg, second rounder
Adelaides first round pick to Richmond, plus Brisbane's second rounder. Lose JR
Scharenberg and Pick 4 to Adelaide, plus Collingwoods second rounder. Lose Dangerfield and first round pick
What are peoples thoughts. I am not even sure this is my preferable scenario.
I am just thinking better for Beams in Brisbane now, Collingwood will want something for Beams rather than through FA. They get a chance to still chase a premiership
Richmond need younger list time to build, JR better chance to win premiership close to home and age peers with Pendles and Cloke etc....
Adelaide get something for Dangerfield instead via FA and south Australian connections to. Also have a chance to build with Scharenberg and pick(4)hoping Durdin!.
The trade scenario assumes Melbourne does not get pick 3 compo for Frawley because draft pick values changes if that compo gets up!
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We could get 2 spine players and keep pick 1 if we wanted to. Jaksch brings almost nothing to a pick 1 deal that we couldn't get anyway.
Just an opinion.
Wish nothing but the best for the Saints. Works better for 16 other teams if GWS dont get petracca and the Saints done build a spine of quality
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Just an opinion.
Wish nothing but the best for the Saints. Works better for 16 other teams if GWS dont get petracca and the Saints done build a spine of quality
Fair enough. Pick 1 is a very hard pick to value at the best of times, let alone without having to try to figure out values of players involved in the deal.
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Seems really good for collingwood, so i think there must be something wrong somewhere
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I am a Saints fan and I will give you my honest read on the situation.
Last year GWS put pick one on the table but were asking for offers way over the odds before they would consider them.
St Kilda are in the same position this year and GWS are aware of it and understand the strategy.
Therefore I think it probably unlikely that anything will occur at all.
Saints will take Petracca and GWS will keep pick 3/4 and use it how they see fit.
Last year GWS put pick one on the table but were asking for offers way over the odds before they would consider them.
St Kilda are in the same position this year and GWS are aware of it and understand the strategy.
Therefore I think it probably unlikely that anything will occur at all.
Saints will take Petracca and GWS will keep pick 3/4 and use it how they see fit.
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I think the Saints are being reasonable, Pick 1 is always worth more, If GWS only see Petracca as their option then they have to give up big for it.
Last year when i said the Dog should try and get pick 1 people suggested Griffen/Libba and Pick 4 was what it would take, i see no difference here.
Clubs wont trade for pick 1 because the cost it too high.
Saints will keep Pick 1 and draft Petracca.
Last year when i said the Dog should try and get pick 1 people suggested Griffen/Libba and Pick 4 was what it would take, i see no difference here.
Clubs wont trade for pick 1 because the cost it too high.
Saints will keep Pick 1 and draft Petracca.
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Would the saints accept picks 4, 20 and 23 for pick 1 and would gws offer that.
No way in hell are we trading JR Magic.
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haha thought the same, had to check their list. I'm assuming its Jack Riewoldt.
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