Trade Talk (not draft talk)

[Stocka]

Considering that the Saints were looking for a smaller forward with pace when they traded for Lovett, perhaps someone like Sherman might appeal to them.

However, after the Lovett deal, you'd imagine that they'd be pretty tight-fisted with any trades this year.

 

[Axel.]

What about Sherman + something for Beams?

 

[Warwick]

I think they should consider my trade in Sherman + 2nd rounder + 3rd rounder for their 1st.

And why would they want to do that?

It's not quantity they're after, it's quality.

 

[Axel.]

And why would they want to do that?

Because it's a better deal than the Wells one.

It's not quantity they're after, it's quality.

They can get a quality player with the picks they're given. We're not offering them Stiller or Raines.

 

[Warwick]

Because it's a better deal than the Wells one.

But that's silly logic. Perhaps they want Daniel Wells the player. They don't have a mandate where they are obliged to give up pick 4 to the "best deal".

They can get a quality player with the picks they're given. We're not offering them Stiller or Raines.

They could get a quality players with picks 72, 86, and 98.

That doesn't mean they are going to swap pick 4 to get them.

 

[Scubaveg]

I'll order one Daniel Kerr please.

I'll second that. Would love Kerr, strong mid, good speed bit of mongrel. Nice mature body as well. Just what we need.

 

[Hollow Knight]

If by mature body you mean "will probably need a hip replacement next year".. I'd agree.

Kerr doesn't fit into where we are as a team right now. Unless we get him real cheap.

 

[Warwick]

From wanting Peter Street and Nick Davis a couple of years ago, to chasing Buchanan and Raines last year I reckon someone will keep Voss on a tight leash this year - surely.

Perhaps he has learnt this isn't the post-season in AFL '05 on the PSP and throw picks away will-nilly. He acted like a kid getting $100 pocket money for the first time last year and ended up spending it on 100 tacos.

He should be made to line Rockliff and Buchanan against a wall and decide which direction he wants to take with his picks next year. Youth and promise, or has-beens and disappointment.

 

[Lionfan]

Lets just stick to drafting kids this year unless a really good trade pops up with a player under 25.

 

[irel]

I'll second that. Would love Kerr, strong mid, good speed bit of mongrel. Nice mature body as well. Just what we need.

Yep that’s just what we need. Another casualty keeping company with Clarke, Drummond, Addcock and the rest of our cripples on the list. Have you actually checked the number of games Kerr has managed to play in the past three years? And have you actually checked his output since Judd and Cuzz left the Eagles? Yep we don’t have enough invalids we need to add more.

 

[Scubaveg]

Change may be good for him. FGS he is a far beeter option then Buchanan or Raines. Maye even be able to impart some knowledge on the younger mids. Yes his output has been down. He gets tagged every week as WC have no other decent mids. Here he will be in a team with Black Brennan Rich ond Rockcliff. With Riska all but gone Kerr would slot in nicely. Black doesn't have long left and an older guy like Kerr would fit in nicely when he is gone. Additionally, he would attract a tag which would give Rich a break.

We could trade the pick we get from GC to WC for him and it becomes a straight swap for Riska, I would take that.

 

[PTizzle]

Kerr is a bad choice. It's not even confirmed Riska/Brennan are leaving and we have a solid young midfield coming through. We need speedy draft picks that we can build up, not more older players. Kerr is 27 as well and I doubt he'd even be as good a pickup as Staker. He has only played 26 games since his great year in 2007, just too much of a liability.

Riska for him is crazytalk. We should only be looking at 24-25 at the oldest and that's if they're pretty special, otherwise lets actually use the draft picks, build them up and not look for short term success. Let our current young guys get a pre-season into them before you go running to look for older players.

And wait for some of our pickups to come off injury as well. We have Clarke who is a great player when up and about, Goose who is a little off and so on.

 

[PertRoosOsborne]

Perhaps he has learnt this isn't the post-season in AFL '05 on the PSP and throw picks away will-nilly. He acted like a kid getting $100 pocket money for the first time last year and ended up spending it on 100 tacos.

Have to agree with this, was personally very surprised by how quickly the trade for Raines was done and also by the sheer number of recycled players we brought into the club.

I think a teams trade success is often associated with opposition players willingness to join the club. It amazes me the difference between teams like us and Collingwood - Collingwood's ability to trade and gain the likes of.....Ball, Jolly, O'Bree, Brown, Medhurst etc is frustrating but impressive.

Perhaps we should target players like David Armitage and Dayne Beams?

 

[Scubaveg]

Kerr is a bad choice. It's not even confirmed Riska/Brennan are leaving and we have a solid young midfield coming through. We need speedy draft picks that we can build up, not more older players. Kerr is 27 as well and I doubt he'd even be as good a pickup as Staker. He has only played 26 games since his great year in 2007, just too much of a liability.

Riska for him is crazytalk. We should only be looking at 24-25 at the oldest and that's if they're pretty special, otherwise lets actually use the draft picks, build them up and not look for short term success. Let our current young guys get a pre-season into them before you go running to look for older players.

And wait for some of our pickups to come off injury as well. We have Clarke who is a great player when up and about, Goose who is a little off and so on.

So what odds you give me Riska leaving???

 

[Hollow Knight]

We need to focus on building a midfield for the next decade.

We are suffering for our reliance on the aging Power and Black, why do we need to do the same again with Kerr. He is a 27 year old with a 31 year old footballer's body.

He does not fit into a team facing a rebuild as we clearly are. Sorry Kerry OT, it is just a bad, bad fit.

Kerr would be more appealing to a team with an open premiership window.

 

[Stocka]

Someone brought up the prospect of trading for Kerr at the end of last year and was under the impression that we'd simply be able to chuck a later pick WCE's way as compensation. When numerous people, including myself, pointed out that it would most likely require a first-rounder at the very least, there was quite a debate over whether or not Kerr was worth such an exchange. Personally, I would have entertained the idea of us getting Kerr, but certainly not for the price that we would have had to have paid. As it is, Kerr has hardly played at all this season, yet again, due to injury.

However, despite the fact that Kerr's body is failing and his form has been poor in the last few seasons as a result, chances are that WCE would still not be handing him over for cheap picks or suspect players from other teams. As much as reality says that Kerr is not worth a first-round pick, reality also says that clubs tend to value their star players higher than the market price, even if their stars are on the decline.

Considering that we've gone backwards this year, there would not appear to be much to be gained from recruiting someone like Kerr, who you'd think would only offer value to a strong, finals-bound team (similar to the value that S.Burgoyne has offered to Hawthorn this year).

On top of that, what is to say that Kerr would even want to go to Brisbane?

 

[Axel.]

But that's silly logic. Perhaps they want Daniel Wells the player. They don't have a mandate where they are obliged to give up pick 4 to the "best deal".

Yeah i can see where you're going with this. Sherman is the type of player they need though.

They could get a quality players with picks 72, 86, and 98.

That doesn't mean they are going to swap pick 4 to get them.

They have a better chance in getting a quality player with a better pick.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Yeah i can see where you're going with this. Sherman is the type of player they need though.

You reckon?

I think they need class in their midfield. Smart footballers that can use the footy.

Wells has Shermo covered in that department.

 

[lionshine]

Change may be good for him. FGS he is a far beeter option then Buchanan or Raines. Maye even be able to impart some knowledge on the younger mids. Yes his output has been down. He gets tagged every week as WC have no other decent mids. Here he will be in a team with Black Brennan Rich ond Rockcliff. With Riska all but gone Kerr would slot in nicely. Black doesn't have long left and an older guy like Kerr would fit in nicely when he is gone. Additionally, he would attract a tag which would give Rich a break.

We could trade the pick we get from GC to WC for him and it becomes a straight swap for Riska, I would take that.

Far out why can't people understand something so simple? We don't get to use any compensation picks that you get if you lose a player to GC as an uncontracted player until after this year or the next!

 

[Axel.]

They also need a goal kicking mid.

Sherman has Wells covered in that department.

 

[Snuka]

Has there been any talk of WC or Kerr actually seeking a trade or is this just based on his recent form?

We'd be silly not to look at him if he actually wanted out, but we would also be silly to pay much for him. While not wanting to dredge up the past, the more I think about the trades last year, the more I'm disappointed with what we gave up for them rather than their output. I really don't think there was much competition for the services of Raines, Buchanon, Staker and even Fev was seen as damaged goods. We still gave up some fairly good picks to get them when IMO, we didn't need to. Even during trade week I would have thought Maguire was only rated behind Fev as far as output in their careers yet we got him for pick 90 odd.

My point is that I wouldn't be telling Vossy to completely shelve the recruitment of mid-aged players, in fact I think clubs are not taking full advantage of the PSD and rookie list for picking up older players and it is an area, if planned shrewdly were a club could really get advantage. We shouldn't be giving up 2nd round or even 3rd round picks for these older players. The club should definitely look at using all their picks and then swapping players or trading for the extra picks if they especially want to pick up someone in the national draft.

 

[whatboutbob]

They also need a goal kicking mid.

Sherman has Wells covered in that department.

Not off this year's stats.

Wells: 14 goals
Shermo: 12 goals

 

[Hollow Knight]

They also need a goal kicking mid.

So do we.

Which makes me wonder why you want to trade him.

 

[dlanod]

Far out why can't people understand something so simple? We don't get to use any compensation picks that you get if you lose a player to GC as an uncontracted player until after this year or the next!

Because you're wrong. You can use them next year.

Compensation picks will be tradeable and can be used by clubs at any time within five years. First round compensation picks cannot be used until the end of the first round in the 2010 and 2011 drafts. Clubs will be required to nominate the year in which they plan to use the compensation pick before the first round of the Toyota AFL Premiership Season in that particular year.

from http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=76855.

The only restriction is that you have to name the year at the start of it, and any mid-first round picks nominated for the GC (doesn't make sense, since it's too late to nominate) or GWS years are only usable at the end of the first round instead.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

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