Trade Talk (not draft talk)

[PTizzle]

West Coast might be keen on Troy but it's hard to say.

I definitely don't agree with giving away a first round draft pick unless they fit the four criteria POBT listed. Trading Clark is just lunacy. Hopefully Voss will be looking at more youth this year to compliment our upcoming group; Staker/Maguire can play a few more seasons with us each and have been good pickups, lets leave the older player trades at that (unless we're talking about grabbing a couple of mature age rookies which I wouldn't be against trying).

 

[Warwick]

I'm sorry but this talk about trading Clark is ****ing ridiculous. You can build a side around Clark and Luenberger as they continue to develop.

We have many, many weaknesses on our list but ruck quality is not one of them. Why would you want to weaken our perhaps one strength?

With Merrett holding down a key defensive position (granted, he has been out of form lately), and Brown still having some quality years ahead we have the structural guns to build a side around. Look at how Fremantle re-built their side around a few key players like Pavlich, Sandilands, and Tarrant/McPharlin. With those structural pegs in place it allowed them to stock up on running quality such as Palmer, Morabito, Suban, Hill etc. It is possible to rebuild a side with a dominant midfield, but it is much harder to do and you need more quality A-grade players to do so. Look at the Western Bulldogs from 5-7 years ago, or Carlton more recently. They have or had the midfields to build competitive teams but lacked the key positional players to be legitimate threats.

There is no doubt we are not going to be a serious threat until we develop some depth in our squad. IMO we have about 12 on our list who are not good enough to be AFL standard in 2-3 years time. We have some likely young options on our list - Rich, Redden, Harwood, Banfield, Proud, Adcock, Polkinghorne, Rockliff etc to build a competitive midfield - but selling our limited strengths (i.e. ruck strength) to bolster that pack is not going to make us any better. Keeping Brennan in that mix is absolutely vital.

Our midfield is horrendous at the moment and we certainly need both extra quality and quantity for it to improve. But I certainly wouldn't be further weakening our structure to try and improve it quickly. We need to load up on some younger guys - with footballing brains and some skill- in the draft to accomodate the others as they mature. The quality of coaching will be the biggest impact to ensure we can turn them into a cohesive and strong unit. I very much doubt we have that atm.

Our overwhelming strategy should be to actually build our next side on our strengths - not trade them away to plug gaps. It's by doing that you end up chasing your tail.

I'm not totally against trading for players but they must be for guys who fill our needs or accentuate the style of footy we want to play. Trading for wishy-washy, poorly skilled blokes who best footy was years ago such as Raines and more to the point Buchanan, is a rubbish strategy and one that I hope will never be repeated. Even if they were to get back to their best, they are not the type of player who would significantly advantage our team.

There is even an argument we should be adding a strong mature ruck to our list (not Charman) to be Leuy's number 2 to utilise Clark even further. Yes he has played his best footy in the ruck but I think a year to adjust as a CHB will make him one of the best in the league. Patfull and Maguire could than play on the mid-size players in defensive (Patfull should never be tried in the midfield ever again), Staker to play as the versatile winger/3rd forward, and we target our midfield with our early draft selections.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I would dump the arse out of Fev, if Blacky and Power want to go on that is fine but boys it is going to be at a reduced rate and then we go after a Varcoe esk footballer at the PSD.

Very rare to recruit gun footballers from other clubs via the PSD.

Varcoe isn't going to screw the club that gave him a premiership.

If we want Varcoe, we'll be trading for him. And there will be demand from other clubs, so not only do we need to pay big, Varcoe will actually have to want to come to us.

We can't dump Fev and get his salary cap space back unless another club takes it on.

 

[acuguy]

TBD,

I have my plan, the Pies will fail in the finals with both Cloke and Dawes failing to have an impact on the big stage.

Fev will plead to go home and we will give them Fev for Wellingham.

During this time we are courting a Varcoe type footballer and getting them with our 1st pick in the pre season draft.

Don't ruin the dream brother!

 

[Hollow Knight]

TBD,

I have my plan, the Pies will fail in the finals with both Cloke and Dawes failing to have an impact on the big stage.

Fev will plead to go home and we will give them Fev for Wellingham.

During this time we are courting a Varcoe type footballer and getting them with our 1st pick in the pre season draft.

Don't ruin the dream brother!

Fair enough.

A lot of the right cards have to come up in that scenario, but who knows!

Would like to be a fly on the wall as Bucks and Malthouse discuss recruiting Fev though.

What about the conspiracy theory that we actually recruited Fev on behalf of the Gold Coast and we are merely holding him in escrow for 2010 until they can take delivery?

 

[Warwick]

What about the conspiracy theory that we actually recruited Fev on behalf of the Gold Coast and we are merely holding him in escrow for 2010 until they can take delivery?

They can have Fev for nothing if they promise not to poach any of our players for 5 years.

 

[lionshine]

Fevola and our second for Pendlebury

 

[Hollow Knight]

Fevola and our second for Pendlebury

Yeah, Collingwood are really going to go for that.

Would you trade Rich for Barry Hall and pick 28?

 

[Axel.]

Sherman + 2nd rounder for the Hawk/St.Kilda 1st rounder?

 

[borrat]

i know sherman is a dud and all but him and pick 30 odd for pick 20 odd hardly worth it

 

[TheKnightWhoSaysNi]

Wouldst thou consent to trade Sir Brendan the Oafish for a shubbery?

Ni.

 

[Axel.]

i know sherman is a dud and all but him and pick 30 odd for pick 20 odd hardly worth it

Yeah true maybe trade him to a team who gets the better pick.

Anything to help get Harper/Green with our 2nd pick will be worth it.

 

[lionshine]

Yeah, Collingwood are really going to go for that.

Would you trade Rich for Barry Hall and pick 28?

Far out take a joke!


If i was even being slightly serious I wouldn't have put this, at the end of my post. Maybe if I put this, at the end as well it would have helped you understand the humor???

 

[Balony_pony16]

I've been thinking that Troy Selwood might be attractive to another club for a low pick (say 50 upwards). Apart from helping him restart his career at a club of his choice, it might also serve to get us another pick rather than simply de-listing him. Thoughts?

I like it. Even do what we did with corrie to the pies...pick 90 odd. That way we get a extra pick to try a mature player from the SANFL or VFL

 

[dlanod]

I like it. Even do what we did with corrie to the pies...pick 90 odd. That way we get a extra pick to try a mature player from the SANFL or VFL

Depends if Selwood is contracted for next year or not. Pick 90 would just be a "let us get you where you want" pick - if we plan on delisting him, we'd have an extra pick around there anyway. If he is contracted, it wouldn't be a bad way to move him on.

 

[Shaka]

We need to do something a bit radical. I am for Rich going to WCE for their first pick and Shuey. That way, we can get one of Gaff/Atley and Brodie Smith. Gaff-Smith plus Shuey might strenghten our midfield than maintaining our stocks with Rich and Gaff/Atley. Any takers?

 

[chopperduck]

Nope

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

I hope we are quiet, & the club may have finally had some past lessons sink in. It appears some supporters are yet to learn. I still cringe everytime I watch Grimes & Ward go around.

If anything we will be struggling to maintain a couple.

Please no more list cloggers & draft to assist the likes of Rich, Redden, Rockliff, Banfield, Leuy, Clark, etc.

 

[Voss the boss]

I have read these discussions and the thing that some people seem to miss (sorry to you that don't) is that just because we think someone should be traded - generally because we feel they are not up to it - doesn't mean anyone else wants them. Who is going to want a guy who has played 20 games at Brisbane in 3 years (hypothetically) in a team that other than 1 final series has done nothing - and trade away a pick. Not going to happen in my opinion. Personally I would be happy to trade players that have played 40 games or more in that time with some impact but not consistant for picks. I would have players like McGrath, Brenanan, Pateful middle agged players who in my opinion fail to deliver enough value but could add value elsewhere.

 

[MacMum]

We need to do something a bit radical. I am for Rich going to WCE for their first pick and Shuey. That way, we can get one of Gaff/Atley and Brodie Smith. Gaff-Smith plus Shuey might strenghten our midfield than maintaining our stocks with Rich and Gaff/Atley. Any takers?

...hopefully I have misunderstood your post!.....why the hell would you even THINK of getting rid of Rich??!!

We KNOW what we have in Rich, we certainly dont know about the others, only reputations/sayso's and HOPE that they will be as good as Rich...

He stays, as far as I'm concerned....

 

[Judge]

Please no more list cloggers & draft to assist the likes of Rich, Redden, Rockliff, Banfield, Leuy, Clark, etc.

Yep, the re-build has started, no trading of picks 1-3 for mine.

 

[BuntonRules]

I hope we are quiet, & the club may have finally had some past lessons sink in. It appears some supporters are yet to learn. I still cringe everytime I watch Grimes & Ward go around.

If anything we will be struggling to maintain a couple.

Please no more list cloggers & draft to assist the likes of Rich, Redden, Rockliff, Banfield, Leuy, Clark, etc.

Nail. Hammer. Head.

 

[Offsider]

I wonder what Patful could get on the open market a good thrid defender with reasonable disposal, a solid player but no star. A second rounder possibly although it might have to be higher or a player swap.

 

[Zhesty]

No thanks I wouldn't trade Patful after one poor season when he has proven to be so valuable when playin well. Talk of trading Rich and Clark are just stupid. Mitch Clark's potential is at a elite level. I still see him as a fute CHF or CHB and not a permanent ruck. Our Kp stocks are quite poor so their is no way we should even consider trading away a tall like Clark.

 

[BuntonRules]

IMO, I would be very careful in offering players around if they do not request a trade. We are still suffering the effects of the Braddles/Riska shemozle, & after this season - if what we hear re Collins etc - morale is fragile.