List Mgmt. Trade Targets / Rumours

[Janus]

Have you seen anyone give up any young players for young KPF in your lifetime?

The closest you'd get is Tom Boyd, a Pick 1, for a 28 year old Ryan Griffen and Pick 6. And that was back when clubs didn't have the ability to do future pick trading.

2 first round picks and maybe a decent (not star) player is all that Gold Coast could expect for Lukosius. Back when they were talking about drafting him, they held a stronger hand because if Adelaide or Port got either Luko or Rankine, they would be there for a long time.

But if Lukosius nominates Port Adelaide at the end of 2020, it's Port who has the stronger hand, because even if Gold Coast talks about dealing with Adelaide as well, Lukosius has to agree to it...and who the **** would go to that wasteland of a list? You might as well stick with the Suns.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Have you seen anyone give up any young players for young KPF in your lifetime?

The closest you'd get is Tom Boyd, a Pick 1, for a 28 year old Ryan Griffen and Pick 6. And that was back when clubs didn't have the ability to do future pick trading.

2 first round picks and maybe a decent (not star) player is all that Gold Coast could expect for Lukosius. Back when they were talking about drafting him, they held a stronger hand because if Adelaide or Port got either Luko or Rankine, they would be there for a long time.

But if Lukosius nominates Port Adelaide at the end of 2020, it's Port who has the stronger hand, because even if Gold Coast talks about dealing with Adelaide as well, Lukosius has to agree to it...and who the **** would go to that wasteland of a list? You might as well stick with the Suns.

Crows will have huge dollars as their 4 oldest forwards would be gone and they could pay Lukosius $1m a year for 5 years.

 

[Janus]

Crows will have huge dollars as their 4 oldest forwards would be gone and they could pay Lukosius $1m a year for 5 years.

Walker, Jenkins and Lynch are all still contracted for 2021.

 

[Long live PAFC]

Crows will have huge dollars as their 4 oldest forwards would be gone and they could pay Lukosius $1m a year for 5 years.

We could pay him that too. Plus Ryder, Boak, Gray, Rockliff, Hartlett, Dixon and Motlop all have contracts that will be renewing in 2020/21, if needed I would imagine all would shave off a bit for a gun who may help get to a flag.

Potential success and any personal ties would likely be as important as a pure dollar sum for any young player coming to SA.

Port’s team is mostly young. Crows very much driven by their older brigade.

 

[Long live PAFC]

Have you seen anyone give up any young players for young KPF in your lifetime?

The closest you'd get is Tom Boyd, a Pick 1, for a 28 year old Ryan Griffen and Pick 6. And that was back when clubs didn't have the ability to do future pick trading.

2 first round picks and maybe a decent (not star) player is all that Gold Coast could expect for Lukosius. Back when they were talking about drafting him, they held a stronger hand because if Adelaide or Port got either Luko or Rankine, they would be there for a long time.

But if Lukosius nominates Port Adelaide at the end of 2020, it's Port who has the stronger hand, because even if Gold Coast talks about dealing with Adelaide as well, Lukosius has to agree to it...and who the **** would go to that wasteland of a list? You might as well stick with the Suns.

Agreed.

The only thing I would say is that maybe this year, considering the tumultuous trading period they had last year, GCS might push harder to make a statement.

 

[Andre]

Walker, Jenkins and Lynch are all still contracted for 2021.

So they back load it. If he wants back to SA, rather than to Port, it's an auction. I think he'd just be happy to be playing here, enough that an extra $100k or $200k a year from Adelaide would make up for not playing with us. So overpaying won't cut it.

 

[rumoursofwinter]

Brennan Cox was dropped with Cam McCarthy coming back into the team from illness. Sean Darcy is an emergency with Lobb rucking. Taberner, McCarthy and Hogan playing forward.

 

[rumoursofwinter]

There's a thread about cockatoo as an uncontracted player possibly linked to port. I'm not sure what his current injury is? Guy would be a gun if he ever played a few games in a row.

 

[Leaveit2charlie]

There's a thread about cockatoo as an uncontracted player possibly linked to port. I'm not sure what his current injury is? Guy would be a gun if he ever played a few games in a row.

He does love Port would be nice to have him
Think he's just been a little stiff maybe a little like Hammer was early?
https://m.afl.com.au/news/2019-02-15/injuryplagued-cats-speedster-cockatoo-sidelined-yet-again

 

[True__Believer]

Although it would be great to get a player like Lukosius, i genuinely hope he and Rankine stay up here. Would be great to see the expansion clubs retain some decent players and have some success.

 

[Leaveit2charlie]

Although it would be great to get a player like Lukosius, i genuinely hope he and Rankine stay up here. Would be great to see the expansion clubs retain some decent players and have some success.

Nup.

That said I've little doubt Lukosius will play 100 games for Gold Coast pretty much as Brad did for West Coast. You don't generally shaft the people who show faith in you as a high draft pick. 100 games is fair enough.

 

[Powerstufff]

All this talk of Lukosius. Five games in and for all he's done when I've watched GC he might as well have been pick 72 and relatively unknown.

 

[chickentendies]

Although it would be great to get a player like Lukosius, i genuinely hope he and Rankine stay up here. Would be great to see the expansion clubs retain some decent players and have some success.

Nah. They can retain the Victorian players instead thanks. The minimal uproar about the Victorian teams pillaging the expansion clubs is shocking.

 

[It Just Is]

There's a thread about cockatoo as an uncontracted player possibly linked to port. I'm not sure what his current injury is? Guy would be a gun if he ever played a few games in a row.

Interesting. I wouldn’t say no to adding more pace and hardness. He’s strong overhead when he plays forward too.

I wonder how much Geelong would demand in a trade? High draft pick but perennially injured and their salary cap is probably tighter than most.

 

[raman]

All this talk of Lukosius. Five games in and for all he's done when I've watched GC he might as well have been pick 72 and relatively unknown.

Let's hope he continues to be as unimpressive for the rest of his initial contract.

 

[Schulzenfest]

All this talk of Lukosius. Five games in and for all he's done when I've watched GC he might as well have been pick 72 and relatively unknown.

Yeah, when you compare him to all of those other teenage KPF's who are dominating the league he looks really average, doesn't he?

 

[afl2004]

We have more cap room then the crows if the messages from the member convention is right

 

[Long live PAFC]

Interesting. I wouldn’t say no to adding more pace and hardness. He’s strong overhead when he plays forward too.

I wonder how much Geelong would demand in a trade? High draft pick but perennially injured and their salary cap is probably tighter than most.

His potential is high. Question will be will he still have that pace and agility that set him apart in his draft combine?
If not, does he have the skills to still make it or will he be a Toumpas?

He wouldn’t be on heaps of coin and can’t imagine he would cost a lot in picks if he wanted a fresh start elsewhere.

I’m not sure he would be first 22 here though

 

[The Rubber Man]

would love to go for cockatoo. Unsure about how well his body will hold up, he has been injured for significant periods of time. But we have a good track record with getting injured guys into decent condition. He does love port, remember in his draft year he would wear a port top during interviews.

 

[Andre]

All this talk of Lukosius. Five games in and for all he's done when I've watched GC he might as well have been pick 72 and relatively unknown.

If you had oversight of all clubs selections there’d literally be no new player over 190cm drafted as a KPP within 5 years. #teamtyrion #dontplaymarshall #iwantsamgraysbabies

 

[Frodo_Baggins]

Would love for us to snag cockatoo
Wouldn't cost much and the upside far outweighs the risk

 

[Chrizzt]

Would love for us to snag cockatoo
Wouldn't cost much and the upside far outweighs the risk

It's his fifth year in the system. What you see is what you get with Cockatoo.

Edit: I'll add that he's the same as Impey - the idea hasn't been matched by reality. They're both the same player now as they were when they were drafted. There's no reason at all to expect further development.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

We cannot afford to have injury prone players - cockatoo would only come in if we delisted/traded out another injury prone player - Dixon, Hartlett etc.

 

[FishingRick04]

It's his fifth year in the system. What you see is what you get with Cockatoo.

Edit: I'll add that he's the same as Impey - the idea hasn't been matched by reality. They're both the same player now as they were when they were drafted. There's no reason at all to expect further development.

It's a great observation. We all hit ceilings. Is 5 years the ceiling indicator? I'd most likely agree. If we look at Houston, he's been improving year on year. DBJ was improving year on year and has stayed the same 18 and 19. So then it becomes is the 18-19 version enough.

 

[Chrizzt]

It's a great observation. We all hit ceilings. Is 5 years the ceiling indicator? I'd most likely agree. If we look at Houston, he's been improving year on year. DBJ was improving year on year and has stayed the same 18 and 19. So then it becomes is the 18-19 version enough.

I wouldn't say it's a hard and fast rule. KPPs/Rucks take longer, but even smaller guys can take a bit longer to really hit their straps.

The key thing to note is the lack of improvement. I don't care so much if they haven't hit their "ceiling" in their 5th year as long as I can see that they are making gains after every year.

Hammer is probably the key example from Port in that regard. He's only hit that consistency of performance in his last 2 maybe 3 years, but each year you could see him adding elements to his game like contested ball, lowering his eyes, defensive acts, etc.