List Mgmt. Trade Week 2016 - Live Thread

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Historically they don't go from minor premiers to 3 wins either though...

 

[pantskyle]

I think we've done well this period. We addressed our biggest need, regardless if it is for one or two years Mitchell improves our midfield completely. On top of that we still have our good first round pick and an alright second.

Think we are set up well to do alright next year, hopefully traveling well enough that Naita gets back towards the end to have a real impact.

Few midfield options available end of next season as well when that time comes.

 

[avishka5]

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Yeah, you could be right about Shred, my recollection are his goals being as a product of streaming forward, stoppages and rebound off the zone, not him specifically stationed forward. I'm not saying he can't move around, I'm sure he'd be ok at HBF, but I believe we do need to develop some versatility around our mids. Redden as a tagger... not sure he'd surpass Hutchy in that role. Maybe he can develop into a KCornes style tagger (P4P undefeatable at his peak), but that reamisn to be seen. He's behind Shuey, Mitchell, Priddis, Sheed for IM roles and contending with Duggan and Hutchy too.

YeH you might be correct but if my memory serves me correctly, one of sheeds advantages listed in his draft year was his ability to have an impact up forward.

I have a mixed opinion regarding taggers, I see a need for them but in our side we also have an issue with second tier players finding the footy and that was evident most of the year. Rather that focusing a guy to just shut down his man I would personally like one of our mids to go to a player and minimise the quality of the disposal and general impact his opposition has. In turn he should also win plenty of ball and provide offensively. imo guys like redden, duggan, hutch and Nelson should be developed that way in the offseason. Duggan hopefully takes masto wings. So its down to redden, hutch and nelson. Hutch has has a good track record of tagging but so far not really good at accumulating the footy other positive he has is that he can get the odd goal. Redden was one of the lions primary ball winners and had years where his averaged over 24 disposals and at his best can find the footy. Around the ground he is tad better disposal than Hutchings but probably not as great as hucth on the outside. another positive is that he can be chucked on ball if we need to get on top of contested possessions and his clean hands are an asset. Nelson probably doesn't have the tank or experience to do it yet but it could be role that can help him transition into a mid.

 

[Coasters74]

Right. I'd forgotten about this.



This is all sorts of risky IMO. You'd have to think this is upsetting the 'family club's' apple cart a bit. He'd have to be paid well overs to make sure no one had a crack. I reckon they'd be getting themselves into all sorts of strife doing this. Would also sour relations with GC a fair bit (and other clubs) and that's a bit short-sighted. You don't go pissing off your feeder clubs like that do you? That's not a good way to do business.

I'm more inclined to think they're building up a bit of a war chest to grab Fyfe/Martin etc next year. That is scary.

We could be in a similar boat at the end of next year. Lecca, prid, Mitchell (if he doesn't play for 2), might be able to trade eMac if he gets some form back next year (not sure on his contract, maybe out of contract?). We're a possibility to have a huge amount of space next year to make a play for either Martin or fyfe. With nic back in 2018 we can have a real crack with a midfield of Mitchell, fyfe/Martin, shuey and hopefully improved Sheed and Duggan.

 

[Monocle]

It sounds like it's probably only a one year deal for Lamb so good chance he is gone next year.

It could be a good kick up the arse for Tom and a wake up call given that it appears that there weren't to many nibbles from other Clubs.

It may prove just the tonic needed to spur him on and apply himself better .

 

[RookiePick]

Always trying to improve position. Few bigger trades to occur before peripheral things happen

 

[boondy]

You must be delighted

Getting in early . Yes these Freagle jokes are old . But good

 

[Keys]

Hamling is a good get but it's worth remembering 2 months ago he was an undersized KPD on the fringe of the bulldogs best 22 and no certainty to be offered a new contract by the bulldogs. Like a whole bunch of his teammates he got hot at precisely the right time of year and he has not only a premiership medal to show for it but a playing contract that's a year longer and probably double the annual salary of what he might have been offered not so long ago.

The 2016 finals were a perfect storm for the bulldogs and I'll be interested to see if they can reproduce that football as individuals and collectively in 2017. Liberatore looks like he's taken notes on how to celebrate a premiership from the 2006 eagles and if some of his mates do the same they might find it hard to go again likes the Hawks after 2008

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

"In this space" is the new "locked and loaded", it seems.

 

[ChampRevesby]

Oh Jesus. I work with a member of the Freo official cheer squad and its been nothing but "we are going to beat your mob next year" and "we must be favourites to win the whole thing again next year". I want to throw something at her fat head.

 

[ausbacker]

Fremantle killing it this trade period.

I'm interested in how you arrived at that conclusion. Here are my thoughts.

1. McCarthy is a physically raw, quite possibly mentally weak KPF better suited to playing as a second or third tall.
2. Hamling is a physically unimpressive second or third defender who, with the greatest respect, hasn't made a huge impression to date.
3. Brad Hill is a dynamic wingman who is known to go missing for large stretches of games.
4. Shane Kersten (assuming Fremantle get him) is a good ordinary player who hasn't been able to establish himself in Geelong despite the clear need for second and third options behind Hawkins.

I think Freo has done well to address certain areas of their list and it definitely needed rejuvenation but I wouldn't describe this period as killing it. I see Fremantle's improvement coming from three players, all of whom are already on the list (Fyfe, Bennell, Johnson). Throwing those three (especially Fyfe) back into the mix significantly improves their top end quality. This is where the value comes from.

Freo's taken a smart approach to addressing needs but a team with under 5 wins in a season is going to have some significant needs. I'm interested to see what game plan the Dockers play with because the ins don't make much sense if they're going back to Lyon's outdated lockdown style. If they're transitioning to more of a running and creative game plan, then the moves look very good.

 

[Xsess]

Oh Jesus. I work with a member of the Freo official cheer squad and its been nothing but "we are going to beat your mob next year" and "we must be favourites to win the whole thing again next year". I want to throw something at her fat head.

Again?

 

[Monocle]

Oh Jesus. I work with a member of the Freo official cheer squad and its been nothing but "we are going to beat your mob next year" and "we must be favourites to win the whole thing again next year". I want to throw something at her fat head.

Just throw the Lavenders sad and tragic history back at her , that will be heavy enough to KO her.

Also remind her that nothing fuels disappointment like expectation.

 

[DaveLister]

Simmo on trade radio making a pitch to Ballas

 

[paran]

I'm interested in how you arrived at that conclusion. Here are my thoughts.

1. McCarthy is a physically raw, quite possibly mentally weak KPF better suited to playing as a second or third tall.
2. Hamling is a physically unimpressive second or third defender who, with the greatest respect, hasn't made a huge impression to date.
3. Brad Hill is a dynamic wingman who is known to go missing for large stretches of games.
4. Shane Kersten (assuming Fremantle get him) is a good ordinary player who hasn't been able to establish himself in Geelong despite the clear need for second and third options behind Hawkins.

I think Freo has done well to address certain areas of their list and it definitely needed rejuvenation but I wouldn't describe this period as killing it. I see Fremantle's improvement coming from three players, all of whom are already on the list (Fyfe, Bennell, Johnson). Throwing those three (especially Fyfe) back into the mix significantly improves their top end quality. This is where the value comes from.

Freo's taken a smart approach to addressing needs but a team with under 5 wins in a season is going to have some significant needs. I'm interested to see what game plan the Dockers play with because the ins don't make much sense if they're going back to Lyon's outdated lockdown style. If they're transitioning to more of a running and creative game plan, then the moves look very good.

Devil's advocate:

Frockers additions for next year:

Fyfe - top 2 AFL mif
Bennell - top 20 AFL mid
McCarthy - real AFL fwd
Hill - top 20 winger
Hamling - real AFL KPD
Kersten - capable fwd

That's 6 guys that straight away come into their team. Fyfe, Bennell and McCarthy alone will be huge - they haven't had a proper AFL elvel forward for a couple of year! IF Sandi is fit, that's a massive boost in talent. Add in pick 7... there's reason to be hoping.

Now winning it all... their F'ing dreaming.

 

[WCErevival]

Another thing to look at with Freo its good they are doing trades but its basically Mccarthy, kersten, hill and hamling in for Pavlich, mayne, silvagni and maybe D.pearce. How big is the net gain from that?

 

[WCE_phil]

Just throw the Lavenders sad and tragic history back at her , that will be heavy enough to KO her.

Also remind her that nothing fuels disappointment like expectation.

If this doesn't work just throw a meat pie out the window of your office building. We will surely get to find out whether pigs can fly.

 

[pantskyle]

Simmo on trade radio making a pitch to Ballas

If he came cheap I still think he'd be a good addition to our best 22 playing the small forward role.

 

[ChampRevesby]

If this doesn't work just throw a meat pie out the window of your office building. We will surely get to find out whether pigs can fly.

She will chase it, no question.

Looks like GC are going to lose both Prestia and JOM. That hurts.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Simmo on trade radio making a pitch to Ballas

It was a caller pretending to be Simmo.

Most pointless "pitch" ever. Ballantyne wants us much more than we want him. It's like Margot Robbie pitching the idea of marriage to me

 

[ChampRevesby]

I think this whole 'pitch for the player' thing on trade radio is so cringy I have to turn it off.

 

[Keys]

Simmo on trade radio making a pitch to Ballas

Was offering crickets at first attempt which seemed spot on

Thought it was an elaborate troll

 

[DaveLister]

It was a caller pretending to be Simmo.

Most pointless "pitch" ever. Ballantyne wants us much more than we want him. It's like Margot Robbie pitching the idea of marriage to me

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Was offering crickets at first attempt which seemed spot on

Thought it was an elaborate troll

I thought the same thing actually. Thought he was going to chime in after a minute and say "Oh, Hayden Ballantyne? Nah we're not interested. Bye"

 

[ausbacker]

Devil's advocate:

Frockers additions for next year:

Fyfe - top 2 AFL mif
Bennell - top 20 AFL mid
McCarthy - real AFL fwd
Hill - top 20 winger
Hamling - real AFL KPD
Kersten - capable fwd

That's 6 guys that straight away come into their team. Fyfe, Bennell and McCarthy alone will be huge - they haven't had a proper AFL elvel forward for a couple of year! IF Sandi is fit, that's a massive boost in talent. Add in pick 7... there's reason to be hoping.

Now winning it all... their F'ing dreaming.

No doubt, the supporters should be looking at their offseason through optimistic glasses especially for the injections of Fyfe and Bennell into their midfield, the problem becomes how do you appraise the rest of the team? Some players will improve, others will regress and if you look at the sum total of their list turnover, the significant march up the ladder looks a few years away. One of Freo's significant issues has been their depth. If they can develop that, especially on the back of Peel's WAFL premiership, then you can make the argument that they could improve significantly in 2017. That's the great unknown. Will that WAFL depth translate into AFL success?

Back to my initial post, it was more centred on the killing it comment. I don't believe they are killing it but they are having a very nice offseason, one which should fill their supporter base with much hope and optimism. Mind you, if Ross goes back to his game plan, they can forget all about the offseason success.