List Mgmt. Trade Week 2016 - Live Thread

[liam123]

Slightly disappointed we didn't pick up Adams. I'd assume Dogs wanted more than we'd be prepared to give up, if there was any discussion at all.

Next year mate...

 

[bombard]

I'm not saying he's necessarily done the right thing but he's gone all in with this list. It's his 4th year as coach and early days he had the excuse that he inherited the list so could only work with what he had.

That excuse is gone, he's had the opportunity to make assessments of each players ability and to make changes accordingly. He's stayed with this group so if they serve up the same heartless crap they did at times this year then he deserves to be judged harshly for it

This. Props to Simmo for keeping faith with the players - he's backing them in, but he's also backing himself in. The coaching group needs to get the mental softness out of this playing group as a matter of urgency. Mitchell will definitely help - but Simmo is to be judged on that basis in the coming season.

 

[ChampRevesby]

I'm not saying he's necessarily done the right thing but he's gone all in with this list. It's his 4th year as coach and early days he had the excuse that he inherited the list so could only work with what he had.

That excuse is gone, he's had the opportunity to make assessments of each players ability and to make changes accordingly. He's stayed with this group so if they serve up the same heartless crap they did at times this year then he deserves to be judged harshly for it

Depends what the club deems a success for 2017, top 4? They had a low bar this year apparently and that was just making the finals. Either way, if we displayed the same rubbish as we did this year, Simmo should be called out on it.

 

[SpaceClef]

Would be good if LeCras and Masten didn't appear on the team sheet in Round 1 but that's not going to happen.

"well it's not like we have any youngsters running around in the WAFL who can replace them"

"we don't need any more draft picks, is pick 50-odd going to be better than the players we already have?"

 

[Dark Sharks]

Would be good if LeCras and Masten didn't appear on the team sheet in Round 1 but that's not going to happen.

It might. Marsden could pull his hammy winning the time trial? Lecras could twist his ankle running into an open goal in a nab scratch match.

 

[SpaceClef]

When does Tunbridge's contract run out? Did we re-sign him?

 

[dajesmac]

So how many spots do we have on the list? Assuming Brown stays.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Ultimately we were one win (and a fair chunk of %) from top spot on the ladder last year. Missing Nic Nat will hurt, adding Mitchell, and expecting a better year from Sheed, Jetta, Redden, McKenzie and a full year of Boss Barass, along with our younger players improving, there's no reason we can't be right up at the pointy end.

 

[ChampRevesby]

When does Tunbridge's contract run out? Did we re-sign him?

Not sure, Is he eligible for round 1 or has he served his 3 games?

 

[Agent93]

It might. Marsden could pull his hammy winning the time trial? Lecras could twist his ankle running into an open goal in a nab scratch match.

Please stop it. It's driving me batshit crazy. Extreme spelling/grammar OCD.

 

[Double the Fist]

Prefer the Flying High (movie) scene of this sort of thing....

Not to be a smart arse, but Simpson "backed the group to bounce back" after each shitty loss and unconvincing win in 2016.

Meanwhile we dropped our pants(Kyle) and got spanked in the first week of the finals, at home. Worst display of heart i've seen in some time.

The biggest change to this team shouldn't have to come from new personnel like Mitchell, it should be among the players themselves. Some heart, mongrel pride in the jumper would be a start. Also new on field leaders have to emerge. That's a must. Coaches also need to continue developing properly.

In short, i agree with you Keys, just had to point this out.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

When does Tunbridge's contract run out? Did we re-sign him?

He's a rookie so he's year by year. Wasn't announced in the delistings with Colledge etc so I'm guessing he'll get another year on the rookie list

 

[SpaceClef]

Not sure, Is he eligible for round 1 or has he served his 3 games?

I would have rather he were delisted. Guys that age should be making more of an impact or GTFO.

We are still falling into the trap of turning over the list as little as possible (retirees and broken bodies don't count).

 

[SpaceClef]

He's a rookie so he's year by year. Wasn't announced in the delistings with Colledge etc so I'm guessing he'll get another year on the rookie list

Ah right - I thought he was on the main list for some reason. Jolly good.

 

[Spartan]

For all their tough talk, the Gold Coast capitulated a bit on JOM. Made Hawks sweat on the time but got well under. Should have put the foot down and sent him to PSD, with the bonus of Hawthorn having cleared Mitchell and Lewis for nothing.

The risk was JOM goes to the ND instead and the Hawks get him with #10.

No one else from #1-#9 would risk it and if GC draft him at #8 they basically pissed away 2 top ten picks and a second rounder.

 

[ausbacker]

Huh? With respect, that is not simple economics at all. What you're suggesting is that the buyer always has the power, because no matter what price the seller sets they can lowball them and the seller has no choice but to agree to the price, because their demands are inconsequential. What you're not taking into account is supply. What you're suggesting may work in Phuket when your're haggling about a pair of knock off Nike's which are, literrally a dime a dozen, but try applying that 'simple economic' theory to something a little more valuable and scarce, say a drug to cure cancer, or a former No. 1 draft pick who the buyer is clearly after, and see how that goes. The Hawks can't just walk over to the Lions table and offer them the same deal for a JOM can they, or to the Tigers table?

In the case of scarcity of supply the seller very much has the balance of power and it goes a little bit like the JOM trade is going right now.

Read the contributing conversations that lead to that response.

 

[BOND 007]

I'm not saying he's necessarily done the right thing but he's gone all in with this list. It's his 4th year as coach and early days he had the excuse that he inherited the list so could only work with what he had.

That excuse is gone, he's had the opportunity to make assessments of each players ability and to make changes accordingly. He's stayed with this group so if they serve up the same heartless crap they did at times this year then he deserves to be judged harshly for it

Simpson is well aware of the capabilities of the group. The natural improvement of the kids, a better season out of the 2 recruits from last year and the addition of Mitchell should see WC around the mark again as the midfield will be much stronger.
Despite all the trading possibilities fans see, the reality is often different.
A clubs best chance is development of youth & WC have preserved their draft this year.

 

[Spartan]

On a side note, anyone think the Hawks Blues pick swap is a bit fishy?

Why the **** do Carlton do that trade?

 

[ChampRevesby]

On a side note, anyone think the Hawks Blues pick swap is a bit fishy?

Why the **** do Carlton do that trade?

Well its not for assurances in the draft. Carlton are soft so maybe they got bullied.

 

[Biggie]

Simpson is well aware of the capabilities of the group. The natural improvement of the kids, a better season out of the 2 recruits from last year and the addition of Mitchell should see WC around the mark again as the midfield will be much stronger.
Despite all the trading possibilities fans see, the reality is often different.
A clubs best chance is development of youth & WC have preserved their draft this year.

So in short..

...Shut the **** you no knowledge having campaigners.

 

[avishka5]

Before everyone celebrate, I should let you know that we were commended after last year's trade period. There's a lot to go before we can claim success. I hate it when they say a team is a contender after they bring in a player or two. We were considered that after getting Weller's in 2013 and we a flag favourite this year after acquiring redden and Jetta.

 

[2006_Eagles]

On a side note, anyone think the Hawks Blues pick swap is a bit fishy?

Why the **** do Carlton do that trade?

Has to be a gentleman's agreement of some sort for future deals

 

[twce13]

I really hope no one bids on waterman, getting him @106 would be a great off season.
Brown should / will be delisted. I wouldnt mind dropping mcinnes to rookie list and delisting tunbridge also.

get 4/5 picks in main draft (pic 120 will end up being around 75 im guessing) and 2/3 in rookie draft.
not interested in any of the delisted free agents, rather take a risk on a speculative kid

 

[Ok Boomer]

Job done for us imo. Back up ruck for next year, kept our first rounder, and got a quality mid for hopefully a tilt at the flag next year, and maybe the following year.

 

[Ok Boomer]

I really hope no one bids on waterman, getting him @106 would be a great off season.
Brown should / will be delisted. I wouldnt mind dropping mcinnes to rookie list and delisting tunbridge also.

get 4/5 picks in main draft (pic 120 will end up being around 75 im guessing) and 2/3 in rookie draft.
not interested in any of the delisted free agents, rather take a risk on a speculative kid

Keep Tunners on the Rookie list, but agree on dropping McInnes there.