Trading a restricted free agent

[Two Planks]

Can somebody clarify the rules for me.

Example. Brendon Goddard wants to sign for Geelong as a restricted free agent and comes to an agreement with the cats. The saints say they will match the offer if you want to go as a restricted free agent, however we would allow you to go to Geelong if they come up with a decent trade deal. Is this allowed.

 

[saintsrfreak]

Pretty sure that's allowed, but the player also has the option of going through the draft

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere That if the club matches it then it must be done. If that is the case he can't be traded. So I'm sure they will find a way around it, but if all was done by the book and out in open then I'm not so sure they can be traded.

 

[saintsrfreak]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere That if the club matches it then it must be done. If that is the case he can't be traded. So I'm sure they will find a way around it, but if all was done by the book and out in open then I'm not so sure they can be traded.

The player is eligible to field offers from all rival AFL clubs.
If he wishes to change clubs, the player must decide on the best offer of his choice from one rival club.
His club has the right to match the presented offer.
If the club matches the offer, he may choose to remain with his original club, seek a trade or enter the Draft.
If the club does not or can not match the offer, the player can move to the new club of his choice.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/130820/default.aspx

 

[mark121]

Cant see why not but you would need to offer a contract matching Geelong and then he may just sign it and if you cant afford it you could be in serious trouble.


Another scenario i think would be legal (or impossible to prove otherwise) and work out better for both could be that St Kilda reach an agreement with Geelong directly and dont match the offer to recieve the compensation pick and then trade that compensation pick with Geelong for a fairer price. All Geelong need to say would be we rate this draft poorly and prefer the compensation pick to 16 and 36 and the AFL cant proove otherwise.

This scenario may be a little one sided but its only an example.

Geelong get: compensation pick and Goddard

St Kilda get: pick 16 and 36 or what they think he is worth.

This deal could even be completed next year maing it harder for the AFL to deny the deal going through.

 

[Turbocat]

Res.FA - club matches the offer , then he is basically a normal player. Could be traded etc like any uncontracted player ie Boak.

 

[Turbocat]

Cant see why not but you would need to offer a contract matching Geelong and then he may just sign it and if you cant afford it you could be in serious trouble.


Another scenario i think would be legal (or impossible to prove otherwise) and work out better for both could be that St Kilda reach an agreement with Geelong directly and dont match the offer to recieve the compensation pick and then trade that compensation pick with Geelong for a fairer price. All Geelong need to say would be we rate this draft poorly and prefer the compensation pick to 16 and 36 and the AFL cant proove otherwise.

This scenario may be a little one sided but its only an example.

Geelong get: compensation pick and Goddard

St Kilda get: pick 16 and 36 or what they think he is worth.

This deal could even be completed next year maing it harder for the AFL to deny the deal going through.

If Legal - Only one way that would work. If the Geelong offer is a low number and then St's agree not to match it , otherwize why trade any pick for a lesser pick....
So
Goddard want to go to Freo , offer 1 M , St's do not match and get R1 comp.
or your propossal
Goddard wants to go to Freo , offer 350,000 , St's do not match and trade a comp pick for P10 and P38

Somehow just don't think the AFL will let it happen. It would need to involve another player.

 

[Phone]

What about this scenario:

player (X) is a restricted free agent
club (y) is fine with letting (X) go to club (A) under FA. However, (y) is bringing in 2 free agents themselves, so will not be receive any compensation for letting (X) go.

Could (y) trade (X) to club (B), who has no intention of signing player (X), but rather is just a club who is losing a couple of them free agents themselves and so will be receive compensation.

so player (X) still goes to club (A) as a free agent, but club (y) gets some compo (probably just a 3rd or 4th round pick, but better than nothing) and club (B) probably gets a better compo deal


and if this is allowed, st kilda will you play club b to our club y? angus monfries is of course player x

 

[mark121]

If Legal - Only one way that would work. If the Geelong offer is a low number and then St's agree not to match it , otherwize why trade any pick for a lesser pick....
So
Goddard want to go to Freo , offer 1 M , St's do not match and get R1 comp.
or your propossal
Goddard wants to go to Freo , offer 350,000 , St's do not match and trade a comp pick for P10 and P38

Somehow just don't think the AFL will let it happen. It would need to involve another player.

Didnt say anything about it being a low financial offer for Goddard reducing the value of the compensation pick only that St kilda agree not to match the offer but yes it probably would need to include another player to get it past the AFL

It wouldnt really be legal but the AFL couldnt prove the compensation pick StKilda would recieve likely to at least include an end of first round pick around pick 19 in one of the next few drafts would have less value to Geelong than pick 16 and 36 this year.

 

[tigs2010]

What about this scenario:

player (X) is a restricted free agent
club (y) is fine with letting (X) go to club (A) under FA. However, (y) is bringing in 2 free agents themselves, so will not be receive any compensation for letting (X) go.

Could (y) trade (X) to club (B), who has no intention of signing player (X), but rather is just a club who is losing a couple of them free agents themselves and so will be receive compensation.

so player (X) still goes to club (A) as a free agent, but club (y) gets some compo (probably just a 3rd or 4th round pick, but better than nothing) and club (B) probably gets a better compo deal


and if this is allowed, st kilda will you play club b to our club y? angus monfries is of course player x

huh?

 

[Redeye Rambler]

What about this scenario:

player (X) is a restricted free agent
club (y) is fine with letting (X) go to club (A) under FA. However, (y) is bringing in 2 free agents themselves, so will not be receive any compensation for letting (X) go.

Could (y) trade (X) to club (B), who has no intention of signing player (X), but rather is just a club who is losing a couple of them free agents themselves and so will be receive compensation.

so player (X) still goes to club (A) as a free agent, but club (y) gets some compo (probably just a 3rd or 4th round pick, but better than nothing) and club (B) probably gets a better compo deal


and if this is allowed, st kilda will you play club b to our club y? angus monfries is of course player x

First, Huh? Then, LOL, you are joking. Then OMG. you are serious. Would be easier if you used real names in this scenario.

I think the problem with your scenario starts at the second paragraph, as when the trade is done, the player is signed to his new club. If he doesn't sign a contract to a new club, then there is no trade - it is a delisting. Once he is signed to a new club he has another 8 years until he becomes a restricted free agent.

 

[Redeye Rambler]

If Legal - Only one way that would work. If the Geelong offer is a low number and then St's agree not to match it , otherwize why trade any pick for a lesser pick....
So
Goddard want to go to Freo , offer 1 M , St's do not match and get R1 comp.
or your propossal
Goddard wants to go to Freo , offer 350,000 , St's do not match and trade a comp pick for P10 and P38

Somehow just don't think the AFL will let it happen. It would need to involve another player.

The compensation for free agency will be lees than that for the "expansion teams list poaching" and I expect that the level of compensation will be strongly dependent on the value of the contract. In this scenario, the compensation may be something around the third round of the draft.

Besides, surely Goddard will prefer the extra few million dollars for his retirement.

 

[Redeye Rambler]

Can somebody clarify the rules for me.

Example. Brendon Goddard wants to sign for Geelong as a restricted free agent and comes to an agreement with the cats. The saints say they will match the offer if you want to go as a restricted free agent, however we would allow you to go to Geelong if they come up with a decent trade deal. Is this allowed.

I'd say it is allowed, but I can't see it happening. Why would Geelong trade their draft picks for a player they can have as a free agent? They would rather pay a bit more to the free agent if they could keep their draft picks too.

 

[themidlandmaster]

I'd say it is allowed, but I can't see it happening. Why would Geelong trade their draft picks for a player they can have as a free agent? They would rather pay a bit more to the free agent if they could keep their draft picks too.

Geelong doesn't believe in overpaying players

 

[Turbocat]

The compensation for free agency will be lees than that for the "expansion teams list poaching" and I expect that the level of compensation will be strongly dependent on the value of the contract. In this scenario, the compensation may be something around the third round of the draft.

Besides, surely Goddard will prefer the extra few million dollars for his retirement.

As I said , I cant see the whole trade tactic working. Why trade and lose picks , either he comes for no pick payout or he doesn't. You pay him what you are prepared to pay. Comp for FA is whole other area that is yet to be firmed. If we remember the AFL had to change their original structure once Ablett went. Who knows , it may happen again if a Franklin level player leaves and they only get a end of R1 for instance.