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[jonbe54]

Yeah i think Shawy would be stuffed these days with pushing up and down the mids do

Watch that '90 GF he ran his guts out ALL DAY and yes he was ruted when the final siren ran but it's a GF and everyone should be ruted.

Too many peeps take a dim view on Shawy in regards speed - he ran down and blocked out much faster players in that GF.

If you have the desire and the footy smarts pace isn't the be all and end all.

I mean look at Treloar and his double hammy.

There are other things but speed on the ball.

 

[Pistol Night]

Watch that '90 GF he ran his guts out ALL DAY and yes he was ruted when the final siren ran but it's a GF and everyone should be ruted.

Too many peeps take a dim view on Shawy in regards speed - he ran down and blocked out much faster players in that GF.

If you have the desire and the footy smarts pace isn't the be all and end all.

I mean look at Treloar and his double hammy.

There are other things but speed on the ball.

I loved Shawy but i reckon blokes like him and even Greg Williams would get burnt badly by the freak athlete mids today on the rebound

 

[Jen2310]

Arlo:




Harrison:

 

[Mkcaptain]

Grundy used to regularly feature at the arse end of the time trial but no one questioned it.

Grundy never ran an atrocious time like Johnson did.

Just had a search and November 2015 (start of Grundy's third preseason) he ran a 7.17 which was last. But today would have put him ahead of Murley, Cameron, Kreuger, Hill, Frampton, Ruscue, McStay and Reef.

I feel like there is some important context we're missing in regards to the 2km times. Maybe they did an intense workout before the run, because the times aren't what I'd expect AFL players to be running under normal conditions.

 

[manicpie]

Todays training

 

[SchuPie]

Arlo:




Harrison:

Arlo wins the ball in close, feeds to HH, who delivers inside 50

 

[jonbe54]

I loved Shawy but i reckon blokes like him and even Greg Williams would get burnt badly by the freak athlete mids today on the rebound

Well Pistol we have to agree to disagree on this one.

IMHO class and football intellect combined with desire and commitment to the contest aces brute speed every day of the week.

That's not to say speed isn't important in its own right but those who base their campaign and career on pure speed will be disappointed in the long run.

And . . . beside every other consideration . . . the very first attribute to fall prey to aging is speed and that can happen very early in a career . . we only have to look back to Freeman and Treloar to understand that blistering speed is a knife edge attribute that has a sting in its tail.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Hill seemed a long way back for a smaller bloke who’s wanting to play up on a wing etc. Perhaps he’s carrying a niggle

Maybe cancer treatment has affected his endurance/speed.

 

[legendstatus]

Not every player is an endurance freak, chill please day 1 !!!!!


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[gtrain23]

What was the 2km trial winner time

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Hill seemed a long way back for a smaller bloke who’s wanting to play up on a wing etc. Perhaps he’s carrying a niggle

Maybe so, but I hope to see Hill sprinting insanely fast, time and time again over the course of a game, rather than going at a high cruise speed throughout.

 

[Jen2310]

What was the 2km trial winner time

6:32

 

[carm90]

Grundy never ran an atrocious time like Johnson did.

Just had a search and November 2015 (start of Grundy's third preseason) he ran a 7.17 which was last. But today would have put him ahead of Murley, Cameron, Kreuger, Hill, Frampton, Ruscue, McStay and Reef.

I feel like there is some important context we're missing in regards to the 2km times. Maybe they did an intense workout before the run, because the times aren't what I'd expect AFL players to be running under normal conditions.

You are correct. Club social media channels show them doing a weights session prior to the time trial.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

The biggest insight I take from that is less about Nick winning, and more about how poor the times were overall. I guess it was only a select group of youngsters, but it was pretty slow

That’s true if, indeed, Johnson ran near 9:00 for 2kms, because I’m in my mid-40s and could absolutely trounce him.

 

[JuniorB]

Arlo:




Harrison:

Looking forward to big seasons from both!

 

[Mkcaptain]

You are correct. Club social media channels show them doing a weights session prior to the time trial.

Good to hear. Can't put too much stock in this times then as being representative of a normal 2km.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Grundy never ran an atrocious time like Johnson did.

Just had a search and November 2015 (start of Grundy's third preseason) he ran a 7.17 which was last. But today would have put him ahead of Murley, Cameron, Kreuger, Hill, Frampton, Ruscue, McStay and Reef.

I feel like there is some important context we're missing in regards to the 2km times. Maybe they did an intense workout before the run, because the times aren't what I'd expect AFL players to be running under normal conditions.

They were running in footy boots on grass, rather than wearing runners or on an athletics track… that’d slow you down a little.

 

[shizzle]

Maybe so, but I hope to see Hill sprinting insanely fast, time and time again over the course of a game, rather than going at a high cruise speed throughout.

Yeah I hope so, I'm really hoping to see him do well

 

[gtrain23]

6:32

There is another Tardrew training with GWS (only 15 ATM)
Hitting the 2km in 6.50

 

[KinderSmock]

I saw your other tweet about Johnson, Jen, and I have to say it's another bizarrely overly critical thing you've said about Ash which sticks out like a sore thumb given you go out of your way to find positives about everyone else on the list.

Grundy used to regularly feature at the arse end of the time trial but no one questioned it. Time trials ultimately mean very little as a comparative tool among teammates and should be viewed as a personal benchmark. I can't remember what his time was last pre-season. That's what we should compare it to, and also to the post-Christmas time trial.

Johnson having a quiet prelim also doesn't mean that he has to come back and ace a 2km time trial.

Again, I just feel like you have this weird thing about Johnson that seems to border on a dislike given you tend to be glowing about everyone else.

I had a teacher who was obsessed with Ted Richards. Richards rubbished the claim that you had to come back and run a personal best for the year. It does not relate, he said, to his football or his game. It's useful, but not the sole determinant of success. He instead focused on skills, mental preparation and general fitness. Richards went from nearly delisted to playing in a premiership and lasting six years longer than expected just by shifting his focus. So I'm not worried.

 

[RobJD]

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They were running in footy boots on grass, rather than wearing runners or on an athletics track… that’d slow you down a little.

Maybe the players know that this is the benchmark for the post-Xmas time trial. They may have run a little slower so they can have an extra slice of pudding on Xmas Day!

 

[magpies42]

Great to see Fin Macrae come second in the time trial, he needed to improve his fitness. Will learn a lot off Mitchell in the preseason.

 

[HFF]

I'm stoked to see the body transformations in Draper, Daicos, Harrison and Reef.
They are looking more hardened and seasoned men.

 

[Jen2310]

Sorry this being late, I had a few things on yesterday. I also acquired a decent sunburn on my face that I felt like I was on fire, then there was the draft etc.


I put the blame of my sunburn from having to wait 3 hours for training to start.
Got there close to 9, then was told they wouldn't be training til around 12. Looks like they were doing Gym, lunch then training. Given they did the 2k, you'd imagine Lunch should have been post training haha.

Not too many seniors turned up, but the list included.

• Bianco
• Josh Daicos
• Noble
• Pendles
• Wilson
• Cameron
• Kreuger
• Macrae
• Draper
• Kelly
• Ruscoe
• Sidebottom
• Reef
• Murley
• McCreery
• Nick Daicos
• Harrison
• Howe
• Begg
• Johnson
• Dean
• Carmichael.

All 4 recruits. (Hill, McStay, Frampton, Mitchell)

Given that players were wearing different numbers -- Michell #3, Pendles #30, Carmichael #2, Nick #5, I'm not putting too much stock into the fact McStay was wearing #11.
No other recruit was wearing any numbers. Maybe tomorrow we'll get a better idea if he is wearing #11 again.

There was a warm up, then they did the time trial.

This is the top 10



People don't like me talking about Johnson and his poor fitness, at least running wise. But Nick finished as he passed to do another lap of the oval. Even last season Johnson looked lazy. But suppose some people are better at some things, and not for others.
But its only day 1, so won't tear into him too much.

A few boys seem to have put on some muscle over the off-season.
Draper
Harrison
even Murley looks a bit bigger.

I've heard Draper put on 6-8kg
7kgs for Harrison






McStay thinks this was a solid session, but it felt like a light session to me. Not sure what they've been teaching him at the Lions; but there is a big summer of pain coming, he'll ache for days like this.

 

[Jen2310]