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From the highlights - Cox, Naicos, McStay, Hill, Pendles and JDG the standouts, Moore looked like the Moore v Lynch but still coming back from injury. Never had any doubts about the impact that McStay & Hill will have on this team in 2023 (not sure why some did TBH).

Still think we are 2 x A graders from a certain flag but hope some of the kids and 2-3 year players show something this year.
 
magpiewarrior said:
Apparently every free paid was against Collingwood. It’s a disgrace.
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Typical scumps only seeing the players wearing white and black out there, while the blokes in black and white were basically invisible to them...
 
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Masked Magician said:
After being at the game and I really don’t like being this harsh but boy, Joe Richards was horrid. Fumbled, coughed up possession every time and was indecisive.

Not sure what the lads saw in him to take him in the main draft and not as a rookie.
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Give it some time. He was well down yesterday Vs previous output, and like most first year players, I think is still feeling out where he fits into the play. Midfield transition and moving forward is his best position imo, but we’re absolutely stacked there, and he just needs more opps to show his abilities here. Over time I think his consistency will improve, and his reliability could be utilised. Ie is a much better user of the ball than Adams, and is quicker / more athletic. It’s just whether we already have enough of this type, and whether someone like Tom Scully would’ve offered more on a needs and potentially higher ceiling basis…
 
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One thing that stood out for me personally was seeing some composure from DeGoey, first with going back to take the set shot on goal instead of usual trying to play on and snap from an even worse angle, and then that passage of play around 5:05 when he was working to get the ball out from the centre bounce contest, had his initial handball smothered, regathered and instead of flicking out another panicky no-look handball he took a bit of time, froze the defenders who were sagging off waiting to pick off said handball and instead found a target forward by foot.

I'm really hoping for big things from Jordy this year, he knows the club has put a heap of faith in him with the new contract and and there are really positive signs that he's ready to bust his arse and repay that faith in spades.
 
My observations from watching the game a few seats down from Bigfooty luminaries Jen and Dave

Structure and style
- Quick transition of the ball by hand was excellent. A trademark of last year, it was great to watch again. It was where the 'White' team, who won the game on the scoreboard about 14-11 = 95 vs 11.3=69 was able to dominate.
On paper, the Black team initially had the more experienced/superior midfield (Cox/Mitchell/Adams/DeGoey, Sidebottom) yet the run of the 'Whites' (Daicos, Crisp, Lipinski, J Daicos) got the better of things and exposed their opponents for pace and movement.

- I think we now have an exciting mix of smaller forwards in Hill, McCreery, Elliott, Ginnivan. None as productive as Charlie Cameron in isolation but will be a handful for opposition teams to cover all of them and they will apply pressure pretty well with Hill likely adding to this in a manner which Wilbur hasn't in the past.

- Defensive structure of the White team was good and they worked well in numbers as well as spreading well. Interesting to see Moore and Frampton on the same (Black) team as a means of getting them used to playing together I expect.

- Risks for this season -still think clearances and connection with Rucks and Mids needs some work

Highlights package did enunciate the best moments of the game adequately, albeit didn't show the extent of the run and carry game that was on show across both teams.

Individual player thoughts
1 Lipinski - I can tend to underrate him a little. Runs effectively as a link man and finishes his work well. Industrious without being outstanding
2 DeGoey - did some nice things. Showed how fit he is a couple of times to work hard and push forward and glimpses of his genuine speed and strength
3 Quaynor - dominated the game in 1Q and, along with Whisper, was BOG for mine. Mopped up down back but also hit the scoreboard and was important as a link player. Gone to another level in 2023 and could finish top 3-5 in the Copeland
4 Maynard - has presence, but was relatively subdued. Only spent a minimal time in the centre but mainly off half back
5 Elliott - fairly quiet I thought. Moore looked for him on kick outs and in field play. Showed one nice piece of physicality to pressure N Daicos.
6 Mitchell - Cox looked for him much of the night. You see him lacking leg speed, but he runs good patterns to get involved. Nice centre clearance and then goal on the line on the 3Q siren
7 J Daicos - if he paid his brother each time that Nick was able to find him, he'd be a lot poorer! Worked his wing well as a link man
8 Bianco - on a wing opposed to J Daicos. Didn't get a lot of the ball. Wasn't as creative as I'd like either. Sold TMitchell into trouble (Adams set upon him and then kicked a nice goal from the spill) with a handball having taken a nice intercept mark. Lost some confidence from that.
9 Noble - other than one turnover kick which was picked off, Noble was his usual very industrious self. Those who think he plays 2's this season underestimate him.
10 Pendles - not as dominant as historically but he takes the offseason games a bit easier. Some characteristic time and space and neat ball use by foot
11 McStay - had real presence. Definitely got the better of Moore. Perhaps kicked 3
12 Wilson - bobs up and finished a couple of nice left foot goals. Cameo appearances
13 Adams - overshadowed by N Daicos, but the highlight was the pressure effort and goal vs Mitchell
14 Cameron - sidelined
15 Kreuger - sidelined
16 Allan - I was a little disappointed. Didn't feature in the linking play through the centre in a way that I may have hoped and had seen him due in match sim
17 Frampton - had a real presence in Q1, working in tandem with Moore on the Black team. Moves and kicks well and is an effective interceptor. Like
18 Macrae - sidelined
19 Draper - not sure he was wearing this number. Didn't notice him much and was a little disappointed. Didn't rotate in the Centre Bounces as I'd have expected
20 Will Kelly - one nice mark early. Shanked a kick from a mark later in the game. Depth
21 Ruscoe - not very noticeable, even with bright red boots on
22 Sidebottom - busy early but not as damaging as a linking runner as I'd have hoped. Maybe, like Pendles, he was taking it a little easier
23 Hill - did some exciting things, particularly early. Adds genuine X-factor and bite to the forward line. Expect him to play Rd 1 barring injury
24 Ryan - pretty quiet. Slow with his ball use, but may take the time to pick that up
25 Crisp - more of a link man in passages. Didn't have a lot of influence I didn't think
26 McInnes - looked dangerous and did a couple of nice things, but forwards for the black team didn't have the easiest job.
27 Murley - quiet and looks a bit overwhelmed and fumbly. Did kick one nice goal though
28 Murphy - was solid in defence for team white and worked well with Howe and others, but some of his rushed bombed kicks gained from sitting at the back of the structure let his work down. Would be nice for him to find a side step
29 Richards - has some genuine toe and exposed Josh Daicos for speed in a chase on centre wing at one stage. Seemed a bit panicked/overawed at times, but I kind of noticed him more than Ryan or Allen amongst the draftees
30 Moore - looked rusty with his decisioning and 1 on 1. Well beaten by Reef and McStay as the tall forwards from team White. Probably pulled up from full attacking aerial moves (spoils and marks) in an act of preservation for himself and teammates
31 McCreery - didn't notice him too much but played out the square for team Black
32 Wilbur - shift to half back a found himself against Hill at times. Did some nice link work and doesn't panic
33 Ginnivan - kicked 1 goal before limping off at half time with a gash on his knee. Surprised with the extent of his reaction to his injury. Thought he feared his season was over (like he'd done an ACL) or that he'd been shot/received a severe corkie. Glad he'll live to fight another dayf
35 N Daicos - BOG. Very damaging at clearances by hand, good run and carry and that long range goal!
36 Harrison - sidelined
37 Markov - his leg speed was notable, but his selections with kicking wasn't optimal at times
38 Howe - still has good speed and intent. Not dominant in the air, but a solid game. Still Best 22 for mine
39 Begg - (sidelined) but Husthwaite kicked a could of nice goals in Q2 in that number
40 Johnson - quiet but kicked one in Q1 and missed another(?) after Hill found him
41 Mihocek - did a couple of nice things to bob up for his usual 2 goals. McStay had more presence at the other end
43 Dean - sidelined
44 Steene - battled in the ruck against Cox and drew some free kicks
45 Carmichael - kicked 3 as a dangerous leading forward who made the most of his chances. Good size but has slimmed down and looks fitter. A useful footballer without being elite. Will be very good at VFL level and will be handy when he plays seniors. Wish he'd keep his hairstyle and colour constant so that he is easier to notice!
46 Cox - dominant big man aerially at both ends of the ground (kicked 2), albeit his ruckwork connection wasn't great given his dominance. Looked for Mitchell a lot but was picked off by his opposing midfielders. I'd still like to see him as our starting first ruck.
 
Scodog10 said:
An observation for the people commenting on his size I’d suggest it has something to do with his number? I didn’t watch those clips and think “gee McStay looks broad” he looked a taller Mihocek to me and I’ve always felt that 11 makes players look broader especially if they wear a tight fitting jumper because it stretches the numbers.
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Great post mate, just a quick comment on this. Yes McStay is slim, but when we talk about width in a forward - it's often about the shoulders. Because most of your opportunities come by marking contest and in terms of what is going to block opponents who are generally behind you; is the shoulders.

This is why I compared him to Jack Darling. He's one of the more broad shouldered forwards and he has often found great success in that front spot because he's broad in the shoulders and able to provide that barrier.
 
Wearmouth said:
Defending was at a minimal yesterday. It was a game to show off our transitions and ball movement. No one showed any real defensive efforts. Even Bruzzy looked like he wanted to kill someone but had to curtail his natural instincts.

Frampton will play and is a lock. And his ball use is really good also. Let the real stuff begin and you’ll see why Frampton is a must.


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I hope your right Ronnie , granted yes it was in intra club match and they weren’t going aggressive at their direct opponent who is their teammate, I know he is a lock for Round 1 due to Dean going down and Kelly not been much chop , very little competition for that spot , although for me Murphy is the better defender. Frampton has him covered for height and strength .
 
Cousin of Daicos said:
Disagree respectfully

Imo a “fine” Frampton is doing better on these blokes than Howe or Murphy.

Again, at least based purely on what I saw yesterday. It then has the domino effect of allowing the others to do what they’re supposed to be doing.

It’s not just about beating his man specifically. Having no second tall last year really restricted us defensively. Which is a scary thought given how good our defence was last year.

Frampton will hopefully help with that
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Respect your point of view , hope it turns out as you painted , it will all unfold as the season progresses.
 
Matrix10 said:
I hope your right Ronnie , granted yes it was in intra club match and they weren’t going aggressive at their direct opponent who is their teammate, I know he is a lock for Round 1 due to Dean going down and Kelly not been much chop , very little competition for that spot , although for me Murphy is the better defender. Frampton has him covered for height and strength .
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Dean is an intercept defender and Murphy is a third defender. Neither are a KPD in todays game. Frampton is the size that’s needed like roughy to atleast compete with the big KPF’s. Roughy wasn’t highly skilled, likewise Dunn, but they did their jobs and had Moore/Howe as support. That’s all we need. From all reports for a big guy frampton has decent foot skills which is a huge plus
 

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Masked Magician said:
After being at the game and I really don’t like being this harsh but boy, Joe Richards was horrid. Fumbled, coughed up possession every time and was indecisive.

Not sure what the lads saw in him to take him in the main draft and not as a rookie.
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Watched him multiple times at Wang.
He's capable and will adapt in time.
Nerves are a funny thing

Will be better for the run
 
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Albert Parker said:
My observations from watching the game a few seats down from Bigfooty luminaries Jen and Dave

Structure and style
- Quick transition of the ball by hand was excellent. A trademark of last year, it was great to watch again. It was where the 'White' team, who won the game on the scoreboard about 14-11 = 95 vs 11.3=69 was able to dominate.
On paper, the Black team initially had the more experienced/superior midfield (Cox/Mitchell/Adams/DeGoey, Sidebottom) yet the run of the 'Whites' (Daicos, Crisp, Lipinski, J Daicos) got the better of things and exposed their opponents for pace and movement.

- I think we now have an exciting mix of smaller forwards in Hill, McCreery, Elliott, Ginnivan. None as productive as Charlie Cameron in isolation but will be a handful for opposition teams to cover all of them and they will apply pressure pretty well with Hill likely adding to this in a manner which Wilbur hasn't in the past.

- Defensive structure of the White team was good and they worked well in numbers as well as spreading well. Interesting to see Moore and Frampton on the same (Black) team as a means of getting them used to playing together I expect.

- Risks for this season -still think clearances and connection with Rucks and Mids needs some work

Highlights package did enunciate the best moments of the game adequately, albeit didn't show the extent of the run and carry game that was on show across both teams.

Individual player thoughts
1 Lipinski - I can tend to underrate him a little. Runs effectively as a link man and finishes his work well. Industrious without being outstanding
2 DeGoey - did some nice things. Showed how fit he is a couple of times to work hard and push forward and glimpses of his genuine speed and strength
3 Quaynor - dominated the game in 1Q and, along with Whisper, was BOG for mine. Mopped up down back but also hit the scoreboard and was important as a link player. Gone to another level in 2023 and could finish top 3-5 in the Copeland
4 Maynard - has presence, but was relatively subdued. Only spent a minimal time in the centre but mainly off half back
5 Elliott - fairly quiet I thought. Moore looked for him on kick outs and in field play. Showed one nice piece of physicality to pressure N Daicos.
6 Mitchell - Cox looked for him much of the night. You see him lacking leg speed, but he runs good patterns to get involved. Nice centre clearance and then goal on the line on the 3Q siren
7 J Daicos - if he paid his brother each time that Nick was able to find him, he'd be a lot poorer! Worked his wing well as a link man
8 Bianco - on a wing opposed to J Daicos. Didn't get a lot of the ball. Wasn't as creative as I'd like either. Sold TMitchell into trouble (Adams set upon him and then kicked a nice goal from the spill) with a handball having taken a nice intercept mark. Lost some confidence from that.
9 Noble - other than one turnover kick which was picked off, Noble was his usual very industrious self. Those who think he plays 2's this season underestimate him.
10 Pendles - not as dominant as historically but he takes the offseason games a bit easier. Some characteristic time and space and neat ball use by foot
11 McStay - had real presence. Definitely got the better of Moore. Perhaps kicked 3
12 Wilson - bobs up and finished a couple of nice left foot goals. Cameo appearances
13 Adams - overshadowed by N Daicos, but the highlight was the pressure effort and goal vs Mitchell
14 Cameron - sidelined
15 Kreuger - sidelined
16 Allan - I was a little disappointed. Didn't feature in the linking play through the centre in a way that I may have hoped and had seen him due in match sim
17 Frampton - had a real presence in Q1, working in tandem with Moore on the Black team. Moves and kicks well and is an effective interceptor. Like
18 Macrae - sidelined
19 Draper - not sure he was wearing this number. Didn't notice him much and was a little disappointed. Didn't rotate in the Centre Bounces as I'd have expected
20 Will Kelly - one nice mark early. Shanked a kick from a mark later in the game. Depth
21 Ruscoe - not very noticeable, even with bright red boots on
22 Sidebottom - busy early but not as damaging as a linking runner as I'd have hoped. Maybe, like Pendles, he was taking it a little easier
23 Hill - did some exciting things, particularly early. Adds genuine X-factor and bite to the forward line. Expect him to play Rd 1 barring injury
24 Ryan - pretty quiet. Slow with his ball use, but may take the time to pick that up
25 Crisp - more of a link man in passages. Didn't have a lot of influence I didn't think
26 McInnes - looked dangerous and did a couple of nice things, but forwards for the black team didn't have the easiest job.
27 Murley - quiet and looks a bit overwhelmed and fumbly. Did kick one nice goal though
28 Murphy - was solid in defence for team white and worked well with Howe and others, but some of his rushed bombed kicks gained from sitting at the back of the structure let his work down. Would be nice for him to find a side step
29 Richards - has some genuine toe and exposed Josh Daicos for speed in a chase on centre wing at one stage. Seemed a bit panicked/overawed at times, but I kind of noticed him more than Ryan or Allen amongst the draftees
30 Moore - looked rusty with his decisioning and 1 on 1. Well beaten by Reef and McStay as the tall forwards from team White. Probably pulled up from full attacking aerial moves (spoils and marks) in an act of preservation for himself and teammates
31 McCreery - didn't notice him too much but played out the square for team Black
32 Wilbur - shift to half back a found himself against Hill at times. Did some nice link work and doesn't panic
33 Ginnivan - kicked 1 goal before limping off at half time with a gash on his knee. Surprised with the extent of his reaction to his injury. Thought he feared his season was over (like he'd done an ACL) or that he'd been shot/received a severe corkie. Glad he'll live to fight another dayf
35 N Daicos - BOG. Very damaging at clearances by hand, good run and carry and that long range goal!
36 Harrison - sidelined
37 Markov - his leg speed was notable, but his selections with kicking wasn't optimal at times
38 Howe - still has good speed and intent. Not dominant in the air, but a solid game. Still Best 22 for mine
39 Begg - (sidelined) but Husthwaite kicked a could of nice goals in Q2 in that number
40 Johnson - quiet but kicked one in Q1 and missed another(?) after Hill found him
41 Mihocek - did a couple of nice things to bob up for his usual 2 goals. McStay had more presence at the other end
43 Dean - sidelined
44 Steene - battled in the ruck against Cox and drew some free kicks
45 Carmichael - kicked 3 as a dangerous leading forward who made the most of his chances. Good size but has slimmed down and looks fitter. A useful footballer without being elite. Will be very good at VFL level and will be handy when he plays seniors. Wish he'd keep his hairstyle and colour constant so that he is easier to notice!
46 Cox - dominant big man aerially at both ends of the ground (kicked 2), albeit his ruckwork connection wasn't great given his dominance. Looked for Mitchell a lot but was picked off by his opposing midfielders. I'd still like to see him as our starting first ruck.
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Put Nick in team black and you get a win. Yes he's that good.
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magpies42 said:
Agree on Moore and other senior players, they hold things in reserve during preseason matches. Moore is now captain he may also be giving McStay some confidence.

Not sold on Johnson however, his end of season form left a bad taste in my mouth…his lack of work in the off-season equally so.
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Johnson needs to add a lot more to his game otherwise he will just be a poor man’s Henry. He’s strong in the air but atm is offering little else. He’s got talent, but You need more strings to your bow than that.
 
cityslick1 said:
Hopefully everyone got to see his extra size yesterday, and his impact through the middle was obviously huge. Played a role in setting up almost every goal for the whites, and was the difference in the end. For a 19 year old his potential is ridiculous, with Gary jnr still playing forward pocket at this age, and josh d also showing the most growth in years 3&4. Expect him to be tagged a lot this year, but he’s not new to this, and is v clever at reading the play and getting free.

There’s obv a public humility about Nick, but I reckon deep down, and for quite a bit of time, he’s been laser focussed on wanting to show that he can be one of the best to have played the game.

Down to $19 for brownlow now…
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The fact a kid has odds of sub-$20 in his second year is flat out ludicrous…
 
Masked Magician said:
After being at the game and I really don’t like being this harsh but boy, Joe Richards was horrid. Fumbled, coughed up possession every time and was indecisive.

Not sure what the lads saw in him to take him in the main draft and not as a rookie.
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It hurts knowing we could have drafted Scully in his place, given he’s supposedly standing out at Port this pre-season.
 
partypie said:
One thing that stood out for me personally was seeing some composure from DeGoey, first with going back to take the set shot on goal instead of usual trying to play on and snap from an even worse angle, and then that passage of play around 5:05 when he was working to get the ball out from the centre bounce contest, had his initial handball smothered, regathered and instead of flicking out another panicky no-look handball he took a bit of time, froze the defenders who were sagging off waiting to pick off said handball and instead found a target forward by foot.

I'm really hoping for big things from Jordy this year, he knows the club has put a heap of faith in him with the new contract and and there are really positive signs that he's ready to bust his arse and repay that faith in spades.
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I sensed that JDG was holding himself back a little, not going all out. Which may be because of his interrupted pre-season - or because he’s saving himself for a major brutal assault on the competition this season. Hoping it’s the latter.😳
 
Vicky Park said:
I sensed that JDG was holding himself back a little, not going all out. Which may be because of his interrupted pre-season - or because he’s saving himself for a major brutal assault on the competition this season. Hoping it’s the latter.😳
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We look lethal when Jordy is playing that ballistic midfield role breaking tackles and smashing into contests. Agreed he looked a lot more balanced and covered the ground well looking at the highlights. The thought of Mitchell feeding out to Jordy and an emerging Naicos is getting me excited
 

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