Training Training Reports, Pics 2017

[Soapy V]

Again, they have the talent and I know that guarantees little. Maybe if they trusted themselves a little more, they'd be doing better. We'll see.

I disagree on this point. They have some talents but not enough to be good AFL players. They both also seem to lack the mental toughness. It's hard to really know looking from the outside but what they have produced so far is a long long way off what they need to produce. It's a big step up from average VFL player to good AFL player.

My concern is that they will show bit and pieces that makes people think they may make it. A bit like DVR last year. People wanted to give him another chance but he even wasn't close. Reality is that even at their age they should be showing a lot more and from afar I see too many obvious flaws. If we were a top 8 list year I reckon they would be gone already.

 

[ParapMarkets]

We have such a long list of fringe players...
which will be gradually filtered out......filter in and filter out
haha..

A few posters have said Willaimson looks elite and possible 22..
To be honest he stood out at training..big,defined for his age and fast and good skills,...HOWEVER when it came to game simulation he struggles with clanger kicks and just generally terrible..he is a great athlete however will need a lot of work...

Yeah I think we shouldn't get carried away until we see these guys actually play. I like what we have done with our later draft picks, we have gone for players with a high ceiling. But I tend to think players go late in the draft / rookie draft for a reason. It will be a big win if just one of those later picks become 200 game players. SPS, Fisher, and Macreadie have a lot more runs on the board.

 

[Soapy V]

I thought Boekhorst was great before he hurt himself. Sadly he doesn't seem very resilient but surely people see the talent.

Great?

Is it because we have been so bad for so long we will see any player do something good we already we have a star?

As I said I hope they make it. The more the better for us all around. I just see too many issues in their games to make it at AFL level. It's a tough business and I see a number of players that will step straight past them in 2017.

 

[Soapy V]

A few posters have said Willaimson looks elite and possible 22..
To be honest he stood out at training..big,defined for his age and fast and good skills,...HOWEVER when it came to game simulation he struggles with clanger kicks and just generally terrible..he is a great athlete however will need a lot of work...

He brings something we need but he is underage and was just starting to find his feet at Under 18 level. Kid has some special talent but its now about showing it and I reckon he is still 12 months away. If he can have a good development year at the NB's I'd be happy

 

[HARKER]

You weren't alive in 2007/2008? You are very mature for your age, keep up the good work young fella!

Dropped out of football altogether, between 2000-2007.
Almost gave it up again, but when they set-up a committee to appoint a new coach, I chose to hang around a little longer.

Hope alone will get me nowhere, but I'll be a very happy lad, should at least one of Jaksch or Boekhorst come through.
Reckon Jaksch has slightly the better chance just for now.

Took a nice mark in front of Gorringe on Wednesday. Thought he looked OK through the limited drills we saw.........and he can kick.

 

[ParapMarkets]

My view on Boekhorst is that he does have the tools for AFL if he wants it bad enough. Same goes for Jaksch, he has been a waste of talent thus far. Not really counting on either making it but it would be great if one of them could.

 

[ParapMarkets]

Dropped out of football altogether, between 2000-2007.
Almost gave it up again, but when they set-up a committee to appoint a new coach, I chose to hang around a little longer.

Hope alone will get me nowhere, but I'll be a very happy lad, should at least one of Jaksch or Boekhorst come through.
Reckon Jaksch has slightly the better chance just for now.

Took a nice mark in front of Gorringe on Wednesday. Thought he looked OK through the limited drills we saw.........and he can kick.

Haha, I just thought you were so traumatised that you completely erased Ackland from your memory. It would've been understandable really.

 

[mediumsizered]

List management had a choice last year to not renew his contract...........they gave him an extra year.
So I guess that either some of us here are wrong or the SOS and co. are wrong. Which one may it be?

OK. We did keep Buckley & Graham on also, but they were largely fillers when we couldn't exploit the drafts any further.
Boekhorst can play and he can mark. Just seems to have gone too koala for my liking. Maybe it's just his nature....I don't know.

Are you saying he is high on gum leaves?

 

[bmaurizio]

Yeah I think we shouldn't get carried away until we see these guys actually play. I like what we have done with our later draft picks, we have gone for players with a high ceiling. But I tend to think players go late in the draft / rookie draft for a reason. It will be a big win if just one of those later picks become 200 game players. SPS, Fisher, and Macreadie have a lot more runs on the board.

Agree if 1 of Polson, Kerr , Wilimson or Les Bois can be come a 200 gamer it will be a huge bonus.
The real issue though is to get one of Fisher or Macreadie to 200 plus player.
Our recruiting has be very weak at the middle or later in the draft,

 

[HARKER]

Are you saying he is high on gum leaves?

Sometimes can look all a little too chilled.
That's all fine if it works for you...... Just needs for it to start working now

 

[Funk]

Show me an indigenous player with striated thighs.

Indigenous people naturally carry more fat and less muscle.

I must have some indigenous blood in me then.....

NB - my mother was adopted so this is entirely possible!!!

 

[Funk]

It snows at Trentham, games get called off because players have frostbite and you can't see 35 metres across the ground. Need to call which end you kick it to and hope someone is listening and can find the pill.

Try Omeo - kangaroo poo all over the ground and ****ing freezing - will never forget it

 

[Manchego Cheese]

I thought Boekhorst was great before he hurt himself. Sadly he doesn't seem very resilient but surely people see the talent.

"Great" is a very strong word.

I'd go with "ok if you're expectations have been tempered due to years of disappointment."

 

[Pafloyul]

Agree if 1 of Polson, Kerr , Wilimson or Les Bois can be come a 200 gamer it will be a huge bonus.
The real issue though is to get one of Fisher or Macreadie to 200 plus player.
Our recruiting has be very weak at the middle or later in the draft,

Realistically we need five of the last year's draftees/trades to have successful careers at the club, and the same goes for the previous year. We are starting from a long way back. We have to pin our hopes on 'potential' to at least some extent. How many changes did we make in the last two years and how many of those can we afford to drop out? Age suggests that Silvagni 'the other' and Palmer probably won't be around for the long hall.

 

[Jabba73]

Trouble is we may well have cut much deeper if we had the means to fill the list with quality players.

No way we can cut 1/4 of the list several years in a row.

 

[Pafloyul]

Trouble is we may well have cut much deeper if we had the means to fill the list with quality players.

No way we can cut 1/4 of the list several years in a row.

At least two more years of clutter providing all goes well.

 

[Doro]

Boekhorst is an interesting one, he's shown some really nice attributes in patches but got lost for form and confidence in others. I don't have the line through his name yet, but it's looking an uphill battle for him. Wonder if that 4 week wrist has become one of those chronic injuries that never gets shaken off? Good luck to him for the season, the more pressure from beneath the better.

 

[Pafloyul]

I don't think Boekhorst has the temperament or footy IQ for it. Contrast him with Camporeale or Lappin, for instance.

 

[Shambolic]

"Great" is a very strong word.

I'd go with "ok if you're expectations have been tempered due to years of disappointment."

Year.... not years.

Last year was his second year. Yes, yes yes he was recruited as mature.

http://www.blueseum.org/Stat+Shot:+B+Boekhorst

But last year was his second year and yes his pre-season showed 'PROMISE' particularly the Sydney game.

 

[HARKER]

Trouble is we may well have cut much deeper if we had the means to fill the list with quality players.

No way we can cut 1/4 of the list several years in a row.

We've done it for the last three years and we have a fourth one on its way.
2014: 12
2015: 15
2016: 12 (13 really but then we took on Gallucci again)

Minimum 10 players and possibly 13 again.

 

[Soapy V]

Trouble is we may well have cut much deeper if we had the means to fill the list with quality players.

No way we can cut 1/4 of the list several years in a row.

I expect 8-10 changes again this year. That will clear out the rest of the deadwood. Then I expect numbers will depend upon how many of these kids make it and what free agents we can attract

 

[HARKER]

I expect 8-10 changes again this year. That will clear out the rest of the deadwood. Then I expect numbers will depend upon how many of these kids make it and what free agents we can attract

We'd have to win 2 GF's like the Dogs did last year, to cull only 8............and that isn't going to happen.

 

[Soapy V]

We'd have to win 2 GF's like the Dogs did last year, to cull only 8............and that isn't going to happen.

I'm happy if it's more. Depends if a number of fringe players step up

 

[passmark]

I think there'll also be a continuing focus on turning the list more aggressively even after the major culls.

We've kept people way to long hoping they come good, can't see that being the case going forward.

 

[HARKER]

I'm happy if it's more. Depends if a number of fringe players step up

Let me try and bracket them and happy to be wrong:

Gone: Jones, Gorringe, Lamb, Gallucci = 4
On a knifes edge: Buckley, Graham, Boekhorst, ASilvagni, Jaksch, Korchek = 6
Possibly to be let go: Rowe, White, Thomas, Casboult = 4
Possible retirees: Simpson, Armfield = 2

There's 16 players just for starters, that may be hard to argue about not being there in 2018.