Transfer discussion thread

[TheGreatBarryB]

Yes, in the context of discussing the prospect of a salary cap in England.

He started the conversation with in my opinion is a false assumption to start with ie that caps and drafts breed mediocrity in sport.

 

[Marcel Proust]

He started the conversation with in my opinion is a false assumption to start with ie that caps and drafts breed mediocrity in sport.

Tanking ..

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Tanking ..

Ask North. Yes it happens but not as bad as it’s made out in my opinion. In AFL before draft teams that were out of finals contention a few weeks before finals used to send players off for operations, kids given a go..winning wasn’t a priority.

In the NFL last 13 seasons, 11 separate teams have won Super Bowl. Again in my opinion there hasn’t been too much mediocrity in that time.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Ask North. Yes it happens but not as bad as it’s made out in my opinion. In AFL before draft teams that were out of finals contention a few weeks before finals used to send players off for operations, kids given a go..winning wasn’t a priority.

In the NFL last 13 seasons, 11 separate teams have won Super Bowl. Again in my opinion there hasn’t been too much mediocrity in that time.

Why is many teams winning good? It's natural for the bigger teams in London Madrid Paris etc. To be the best.

Look at the nba half the teams tank and it's a joke.

Hawks tanked for roughead and buddy. Many examples of it being shit in afl. North being a joke doesn't prove anything

 

[Marcel Proust]

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Carles Puyol] Thank you very much for everything, Leo. We can never thank you for everything you have given us. I wish you the best.

 

[moomba]

FFP is out the window with Grealish going to City and also their obsession with signing Kane.

FFP was out the window a couple of years ago. Honestly, it's such a poorly conceived set of rules it was never going to do what people want it to do.

But it seems that people cry FFP whenever we sign anyone, without actually thinking whether or not any rules have been broken or not.

 

[moomba]

It’s no longer about saving small clubs, it’s about preventing the entire pyramid collapsing.

Broadcast revenue is going backwards in every major league including the PL, which was the only thing currently preventing collapse. COVID has just supercharged it.

Man Utd commercial revenue has stagnated for the last 4 years. Match day revenues may not recover for a while.

Broadcast revue has increased by 36% in the last 5 years. So it hasn’t been an issue of growth.

Wages bills in the same time period are up 60% and they were already disproportionately a high % of total turnover.

I'll stand corrected on this, but if I had to bet, salary to income ratio right now would be as good as its been in 30 years.

There will be some exceptions but most clubs I reckon overall it has significantly improved.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Why is many teams winning good? It's natural for the bigger teams in London Madrid Paris etc. To be the best.

Look at the nba half the teams tank and it's a joke.

Hawks tanked for roughead and buddy. Many examples of it being sh*t in afl

More even comp I guess. Yeah certainly has it faults. Seems worse in some leagues…there was a MLB season not long ago where seemed half the teams were tanking. But it saved clubs when it was introduced into AFL.

I’m not a fan of 9-10 titles in a row either. Not of a fan of rich owners trying to form their own super league in Europe either. I remember you were/are.

Anyway bottom line I don’t want nor do I think caps and drafts would ever work in football.

 

[Marcel Proust]

More even comp I guess. Yeah certainly has it faults. Seems worse in some leagues…there was a MLB season not long ago where seemed half the teams were tanking. But it saved clubs when it was introduced into AFL.

I’m not a fan of 9-10 titles in a row either. Not of a fan of rich owners trying to form their own super league in Europe either. I remember you were/are.

Anyway bottom line I don’t want nor do I think caps and drafts would ever work in football.

Even doesn't equal good imho. You make a fair point celtic. Juv. Bayer winning 10 times in a row isn't ideal either

Look at the aleague. Soulless rubbish that had a lot of potential.

Fwiw i specifically said I was not a fan of the super league at least a couple times.

 

[SM]

I'll stand corrected on this, but if I had to bet, salary to income ratio right now would be as good as its been in 30 years.

There will be some exceptions but most clubs I reckon overall it has significantly improved.

In the PL yeah but not in the C'ship and below. We're one of the exceptions to the rule but there definitely needs to be a cap of wage bill to income somehow. Not sure on how that could be determined though as L1/L2 found.

 

[moomba]

I do stand corrected.

72% in 19/20 for the Premier league, although the pandemic drop in revenue was a big reason for that.

 

[moomba]

I don't think a wage cap would work tbh.

First it would be tied to revenue so the wage cap for City, United, Liverpool etc would be significantly higher than your Norwich, Newcastle etc.

Second, unless you have a cap across the board players will end up drifting to a non capped league.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

It’s no longer about saving small clubs, it’s about preventing the entire pyramid collapsing.

Broadcast revenue is going backwards in every major league including the PL, which was the only thing currently preventing collapse. COVID has just supercharged it.

Man Utd commercial revenue has stagnated for the last 4 years. Match day revenues may not recover for a while.

Broadcast revue has increased by 36% in the last 5 years. So it hasn’t been an issue of growth.

Wages bills in the same time period are up 60% and they were already disproportionately a high % of total turnover.

Uniteds wage bill is 53% of income. We are fine. Match day revenues will be back next season.

 

[moomba]

I'm not so sure on matchday revenues just yet. Not sure about other clubs, but at City they've given an option of deferring season tickets, and it looks like quite a few have taken up the offer.

Still not sure what rules will be in place on things like vaccination too.

 

[Marcel Proust]

You would assume mbappe goes to rm late in the window.

Good result for real. Rivals losing the goat finally and getting the Ronaldo replacement.

Then try pair haaland with him the following season ...

 

[SM]

I don't think a wage cap would work tbh.

First it would be tied to revenue so the wage cap for City, United, Liverpool etc would be significantly higher than your Norwich, Newcastle etc.

Second, unless you have a cap across the board players will end up drifting to a non capped league.

I agree in the PL but I think in the Championship and below there needs to be a cap as you just have to look at Derby who have finally had the floor fall out from under them from overspending.

 

[Zidane98]

I like what is happening in La Liga with the wage caps. Messi was already happy to accept a 30 % wage reduction to stay because of it. It will definitely drive wages down.

 

[Marcel Proust]

I like what is happening in La Liga with the wage caps. Messi was already happy to accept a 30 % wage reduction to stay because of it. It will definitely drive wages down.

I don't think they are too happy with it - they will eventually be a farmer league the epl will dominate.

Chances are why they wanted superleague

 

[jod23]

He was praising Zach Levine yesterday. If he opts out next year and joins the Bulls, I will edge myself into a coma.

I'd welcome him to Chicago!

 

[Sphynx]

I do stand corrected.

72% in 19/20 for the Premier league, although the pandemic drop in revenue was a big reason for that.

No, the broadcasting drop in revenue was a big reason for that and the Chinese pulling the TV deal.

Matchday revenues are only a minor part of the overall picture.

City posted huge operating losses prior to the pandemic.

Uniteds wage bill is 53% of income. We are fine. Match day revenues will be back next season.

Lol at the concept of spending 53% of revenue of a £500m+ multi national business on a few dozen staff “as fine” Please don’t go into business

Man Utd, are one of the few who can stand on their own feet commercially at that level, however your operating losses have been huge the last 2 seasons and they are only going to get worse as revenues shrink and player wages increase.

Man Utd owe £118m in short term loans this financial year including a £68m tax debt.

 

[jod23]

100 million on Grealish is weird. If you are prepared to spend that kind of money, wouldnt you focus on Mbappe or Haaland?

 

[Marcel Proust]

100 million on Grealish is weird. If you are prepared to spend that kind of money, wouldnt you focus on Mbappe or Haaland?

Cause they are buying kane whos a nice fit.

English skipper. Banging them in for years. Lol @ spurs. Etc

 

[jod23]

Cause they are buying kane whos a nice fit.

English skipper. Banging them in for years. Lol @ spurs. Etc

Wont be all doom and gloom for Spurs with Kane as long as they do a Coutinho and not a Bale.

 

[moomba]

No, the broadcasting drop in revenue was a big reason for that and the Chinese pulling the TV deal.

Matchday revenues are only a minor part of the overall picture.

The broadcasting revenue dropped because of the pandemic.

City posted huge operating losses prior to the pandemic.

£20m operating loss bur a £10m profit overall.

Lol at the concept of spending 53% of revenue of a £500m+ multi national business on a few dozen staff “as fine” Please don’t go into business

53% of turnover on wages is excellent I the industry. Its based on the total wage bill, not just a few dozen staff.

City is around 56% iirc, Spurs the best at 38%, Everton the worst at 85% (18/19 figures)

 

[moomba]

100 million on Grealish is weird. If you are prepared to spend that kind of money, wouldnt you focus on Mbappe or Haaland?

Mbappe and Haaland might not want to come, and neither could be bought for £100m if the did.