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Transgender - Part 2

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WA ROO said:
Transfer this to boxing
There is a womens 75kg Middleweight division at the 2020 Olympics
Under the IOC rules you could effectively men competing
That is wrong,horribly wrong
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Yes the new IOC, s 2015 consensus could enable this to unfairly happen. As a trans athlete I am openly advocating that the OIC,s and AFL,s current transgender policies favour the trans athlete greatly it is no where near a level playing field.
 
kirsti said:
I am entering my 18 year living as a woman and I can tell you being transgender isn't the new black, I have been called a eunuch in a dress and a young trans female has been called a bloke in this thread alone.
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That wasn't the point of the article. The point was that evidence tended to indicate that gay kids were using it to sstick out.
 
TimmeT said:
That wasn't the point of the article. The point was that evidence tended to indicate that gay kids were using it to sstick out.
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i wasn't referring to any article? You quoted this article in post #579.
 
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checkraiseulite said:
did you read the post you quoted?
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I didn't quote any article another member mentioned an article re trans being the new black.

post #579 quoted the article you refer to and it wasn't posted by me.
 
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TimmeT said:
There was also information put forward by another expert who is a psychiatrist who stated that it's the new black to be transgender according to some of his patients. This is worrying as rogue psychiatrists might support the claim when they are simply not one. Furthermore it makes me wonder and consider that the removal of transsexualism from the dsm was a pc decision rather than a fact based decision. Especially considering they see someone who looks at mental conditions when they are assessed if they are a ****** or not.
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You quoted the article not me in post #579 of this thread
 
checkraiseulite said:
the point was more that you didn't think it was a mental illness and alluded to the involvement of medical professionals.

i was more curious as to your opinion - i'll admit that it i can't say what it is.
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Is the problem that you think you're smater than you are?
I stated that it wasn't a mental illness, and directly linked the practice of medical professionals to justify my point.
From that, you asked a completely unconnected and ridiculous question "is it a disease?".
Now we've both wasted posts discerning if you're disingenuous...
 
CM86 said:
Is the problem that you think you're smater than you are?
I stated that it wasn't a mental illness, and directly linked the practice of medical professionals to justify my point.
From that, you asked a completely unconnected and ridiculous question "is it a disease?".
Now we've both wasted posts discerning if you're disingenuous...
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He is.
 
CM86 said:
Is the problem that you think you're smater than you are?
I stated that it wasn't a mental illness, and directly linked the practice of medical professionals to justify my point.
From that, you asked a completely unconnected and ridiculous question "is it a disease?".
Now we've both wasted posts discerning if you're disingenuous...
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i asked you a question. you've answered it after a couple of posts (phenomena).

having just googled the definition of disease the disconnect is not obvious.
 
CM86 said:
Yes they should.

For the same reasons people should take offense to being called mentally ill, because they are homosexual.

I mean, are you saying that doctors and surgeons are taking advantage of the mentally ill, by 'going along' with their transgender 'delusions'?

What kind of malpractice would it be, to 'mutilate' someone's genitals because they requested you to do it when not of sound mind?
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It's not seen as malpractice, it's seen as treatment. The pathologisation of those who display gender non conformity explicitly recommends transition as a treatment.

A bit like the ice pick lobotomies of the early 20th cenutury or electro convulsive therapies.
 

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WA ROO said:
Transfer this to boxing
There is a womens 75kg Middleweight division at the 2020 Olympics
Under the IOC rules you could effectively have men competing
That is wrong,horribly wrong
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So many people in this thread under the misapprehension that sport actually matters.
 
CM86 said:
Yes they should.
I mean, are you saying that doctors and surgeons are taking advantage of the mentally ill, by 'going along' with their transgender 'delusions'?

What kind of malpractice would it be, to 'mutilate' someone's genitals because they requested you to do it when not of sound mind?
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I am not saying that at all. I wouldn't say taking anti depressants were pharmaceutical companies taking advantage of people with depression. How you personally deal with your mental illness is up to you and your doctor. If gender reassignment surgery and hormone therapy are considered the best action then it should be done. Doctors are not taking advantage of transgender delusions. They are helping a person live their life.
 
skilts said:
So many people in this thread under the misapprehension that sport actually matters.
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sport is the only thing that matters. all the people, events, and relationships in my life have been transient, but I can always turn on the TV at the weekend and count on my beloved Blues to serve up a shit sandwich. that kind of stability is comforting.
 

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checkraiseulite said:
i asked you a question. you've answered it after a couple of posts (phenomena).

having just googled the definition of disease the disconnect is not obvious.
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I literally answered in my first reply to you...
igon value said:
It's not seen as malpractice, it's seen as treatment. The pathologisation of those who display gender non conformity explicitly recommends transition as a treatment.

A bit like the ice pick lobotomies of the early 20th cenutury or electro convulsive therapies.
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Are you saying that it isn't malpractice currently, but that in the future it might be comparable to ice pick lobotomies and electroconvulsive therapy?
 
CM86 said:
Are you saying that it isn't malpractice currently, but that in the future it might be comparable to ice pick lobotomies and electroconvulsive therapy?
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Could well be. Psychology and psychiatry have a poor history.

But you were the one who was saying that transition surgery for the mental illness of gender dysphoria would currently be seen as malpractice. It's not. It's treatment.

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria
 
Yes, transition surgery is widely accepted as the best form of treatment for people with gender dysphoria. However, the suicide rate among post-op trannies is astronomically high, so it is still far from a perfect treatment.

The main issue I have is when society or the individual is expected to play along with the delusions of a small segment of the population, who are mentally ill. For example, the recent push by trannies to allow use of a public toilet of their self-assigned gender. I honestly couldn't care less about the issue, but I think the fact that most trannies care speaks to the fact that they want society as a whole to change to accommodate their mental illness. It would be like, for example, a community of pyromaniacs demanding to make arson legal.

In short: your mental illness is your cross to bear, and you should expect nobody to partake in your own personal, fanciful delusions.
 
scoccerroos said:
Yes, transition surgery is widely accepted as the best form of treatment for people with gender dysphoria. However, the suicide rate among post-op trannies is astronomically high, so it is still far from a perfect treatment.

The main issue I have is when society or the individual is expected to play along with the delusions of a small segment of the population, who are mentally ill. For example, the recent push by trannies to allow use of a public toilet of their self-assigned gender. I honestly couldn't care less about the issue, but I think the fact that most trannies care speaks to the fact that they want society as a whole to change to accommodate their mental illness. It would be like, for example, a community of pyromaniacs demanding to make arson legal.

In short: your mental illness is your cross to bear, and you should expect nobody to partake in your own personal, fanciful delusions.
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The worst thing about this post is that you fully believe you have thought this through and have a valuable contribution to make.

Your kids and grand-kids will look back and have to explain away this deplorable attitude as "just what they thought back then".

The problem is that we know better already. So the reality they will be hiding from is that you were willfully ignorant at best, but most certainly just a small-minded bigot.

The response I expect is "you just can't handle a different opinion so you call me a bigot". I can handle different opinions, it's just that some of those opinions are borne of shitty bigotry and deserve to be called out as such.


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