Universal Love TRTT Part 8: Random thoughts also sack Hinkley

[Macca19]

How the hell is that any different to any other time on this board?

Didn't specify just on this board. The hyperbole and doomsdayism over election results have gone full throttle this time around.

How much butterfish did Ken come in for this week?

None.










He orders Flake.

 

[edgie]

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Focus! The real enemy here is the Crows and the snafl. DO NOT LOSE FOCUS YOU MORONS.

And people here voted in blokes that favour them too!



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[Magus]

Oh yes, there’s absolutely zero Dunning-Krueger effect going on with Trump and his supporters. What an extraordinary claim.

I've said many times that I hate the left-right political divide but if the losing side can't reflect on their own shortcomings and only doubles down on their anger then they won't gain ground. Trump is likely to win again.

 

[Power Girl]

[QUOTE="Macca19, post: 60957276, member: 667"
He orders Flake.[/QUOTE]
Of course he fnking does.

 

[Magus]

I'm just questioning those who think they are doing their bit to stamp out racism while endorsing a ruling party that continues to sweep a lot of issues under the carpet, or at least more than the other guys and girls. To them I ask, are you really doing everything you can? Everything in your power? Cause t doesn't seem like it to me.


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A lot of single issue voters out there.

 

[Power Girl]

A lot of single issue selfish voters out there.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Doctor Feel]

I've said many times that I hate the left-right political divide but if the losing side can't reflect on their own shortcomings and only doubles down on their anger then they won't gain ground. Trump is likely to win again.

Hes going to win easily.

 

[raman]

I've said many times that I hate the left-right political divide but if the losing side can't reflect on their own shortcomings and only doubles down on their anger then they won't gain ground. Trump is likely to win again.

I agree that he is. But you're still mis-allocating where the false sense of intellectual superiority is coming from.

 

[Magus]

I agree that he is. But you're still mis-allocating where the false sense of intellectual superiority is coming from.

If you think it's all one sided then that says it all.

 

[raman]

Didn't specify just on this board. The hyperbole and doomsdayism over election results have gone full throttle this time around.

Because some people have come to the unfortunate realisation that this stuff kinda matters.

 

[raman]

If you think it's all one sided then that says it all.

I don't at all. The left does it plenty. But Trump is the absolute poster child of a cretin masquerading as a genius, and his supporters and apologists follow in suit.

 

[Needs Gravy]

About politics then I say stop it all of you. Because we are all starting to hate one another more as we get to know one another.

The only thing i need to know about you people is that you love Port Adelaide. Don't make me despise you because of who you really are.

You people are probably really **** human beings (some of you that is more obvious than others) but we do not need to burst the bubble.

Focus! The real enemy here is the Crows and the snafl. DO NOT LOSE FOCUS YOU MORONS.

That last sentence would make a good thread title.

 

[Rexie J]

While folk rightly question the merits or otherwise of various political parties policies, there is one area totally ignored and that is the extraordinary role of the state and federal bureaucracy in the entire decision making process. They interpret and implement policies of the government of the day but there are significant and legal separation requirements. Ministers have no say in the day to day management of their respective departments. They act at all times on the advice of their departmental CEO's.

Now, that is not simply my opinion but that of three family members who have been directly involved in politics at state and federal level plus a close friend who was in a policy development unit of the last Labor government and his main function was to write all the advisory and briefing notes for the minister.

One of the main things I discovered during my time as the Ministers Nominee on a particluar rural advisory body, how vigorously and almost child like, departmental CEO's fought when it seemed they may lose an area to another department.

I quit half way through my second term as it was pathetic to watch and a complete waste of time. So yeah, kick a pollie or two but they aren't always the main culprits.

 

[raman]

About politics then I say stop it all of you. Because we are all starting to hate one another more as we get to know one another.

The only thing i need to know about you people is that you love Port Adelaide. Don't make me despise you because of who you really are.

You people are probably really **** human beings (some of you that is more obvious than others) but we do not need to burst the bubble.

Focus! The real enemy here is the Crows and the snafl. DO NOT LOSE FOCUS YOU MORONS.

I love Feel and Dingle, even though they vote for idiots. Feel even likes Trump ffs, even though he claims to be environmentally conscious. Work that one out.

Jumbo can get ****ed though, he needs to die in a fire.

 

[Power Girl]

While folk rightly question the merits or otherwise of various political parties policies, there is one area totally ignored and that is the extraordinary role of the state and federal bureaucracy in the entire decision making process. They interpret and implement policies of the government of the day but there are significant and legal separation requirements. Ministers have no say in the day to day management of their respective departments. They act at all times on the advice of their departmental CEO's.

Now, that is not simply my opinion but that of three family members who have been directly involved in politics at state and federal level plus a close friend who was in a policy development unit of the last Labor government and his main function was to write all the advisory and briefing notes for the minister.

One of the main things I discovered during my time as the Ministers Nominee on a particluar rural advisory body, how vigorously and almost child like, departmental CEO's fought when it seemed they may lose an area to another department.

I quit half way through my second term as it was pathetic to watch and a complete waste of time. So yeah, kick a pollie or two but they aren't always the main culprits.

So the politicians are the actors but the ministers' advisory bodies are the script writers and directors?

 

[Power Girl]

I love Feel and Dingle, even though they vote for idiots. Feel even likes Trump ffs, even though he claims to be environmentally conscious. Work that one out.

Jumbo can get ****ed though, he needs to die in a fire.

I don't like Feel around every election time but i forgive him a few weeks after. Some on here though are dead to me.

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

Rexie J - when Kevin Rudd back in the day went after novated leases, when every government department ****ing LOVES them, he really shat his bed. Sure as shit bureaucrats love negative gearing too. Thats actually a lot of voters who have a foot in two camps (like their capitalist perks, but like government security)

Labor/Greens might've had more headway on an outspoken platform of `paying government and non-profit employees what they'd be worth in private industry, for equality and a fairer Australia' and watched the votes roll in.

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

Rexie J - when Kevin Rudd back in the day went after novated leases, when every government department ******* LOVES them, he really shat his bed. Sure as **** bureaucrats love negative gearing too. Thats actually a lot of voters who have a foot in two camps (like their capitalist perks, but like government security)

Labor/Greens might've had more headway on an outspoken platform of `paying government and non-profit employees what they'd be worth in private industry, for equality and a fairer Australia' and watched the votes roll in.

Also I'm aware that this is every bit as cynical and pandering as anything the right wing might do, but if we learn one thing from this election, its that ideologically-consistent money carrots win votes.

Let them eat cake **** yas

Edit: 3.9 million australians in the public service. Defo a good number of swing votes in that lot.

 

[Magus]

I don't at all. The left does it plenty. But Trump is the absolute poster child of a cretin masquerading as a genius, and his supporters and apologists follow in suit.

And Hillary supporters got tricked into thinking that a warmongering neo-liberal had their best interests at heart because she said a few things they wanted to hear.

"The left" in this case backed the wrong horse. Instead of falling to their knees and screaming in the street they should back a candidate that absolutely 100% would be a good choice as leader and that person is Tulsi.

 

[Macca19]

Because some people have come to the unfortunate realisation that this stuff kinda matters.

I agree it does, but I don't think a Labour government would solve a lot more issues than what a Liberal government will. Yes Labour has a climate change policy, but I don't think its all that much more achievable than what the Liberals had. I voted Labour because the candidate in my electorate was by far the best candidate and has a track record of doing great things. But, despite that, Shorten comes across as untrustworthy, arrogant, slimeball and probably the most unlikeable person in the country. The fact he's lost to both an unsettled shambles of a party and then lost to a god bothering, same sex marriage denier with no real policies says its all. People hate him. A lot of people. Good on Labour for finding stability after the turmoil of the Rudd/Gillard era but they backed the wrong horse and are now paying for it by losing two elections they should have won.

People can blame Queenslanders and can blame the elderly for being selfish as much as they like. In the end, blaming them is like blaming the length of grass when Port lose a game.

 

[raman]

I agree it does, but I don't think a Labour government would solve a lot more issues than what a Liberal government will. Yes Labour has a climate change policy, but I don't think its all that much more achievable than what the Liberals had. I voted Labour because the candidate in my electorate was by far the best candidate and has a track record of doing great things. But, despite that, Shorten comes across as untrustworthy, arrogant, slimeball and probably the most unlikeable person in the country. The fact he's lost to both an unsettled shambles of a party and then lost to a god bothering, same sex marriage denier with no real policies says its all. People hate him. A lot of people. Good on Labour for finding stability after the turmoil of the Rudd/Gillard era but they backed the wrong horse and are now paying for it by losing two elections they should have won.

People can blame Queenslanders and can blame the elderly for being selfish as much as they like. In the end, blaming them is like blaming the length of grass when Port lose a game.

Good post but thank you, I will. These factors are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

I ****ing hate Shorten, and lamented that the sheer volume of right wing nutjobs on the house of reps and senates sheet meant I no longer had the luxury of preference Labor even in the bottom half of parties. Still preferenced Labor though, but I hated doing it.

 

[Rexie J]

So the politicians are the actors but the ministers' advisory bodies are the script writers and directors?

Sadly, that is so close to the truth Power Girl. Again, I must stress, I'm taking advice from people who have actually been ministerial advisors. Referring again to my friend who was in a policy development unit. This group was tasked to develop a specific policy within the department's area of expertise. It took 6 months before a draft was presented to the Minister and that was the first he was aware of it's existence.

Not that it matters, but I would never ever join any political party as I don't believe one side has all the answers and unfortunately it's far too easy to be locked into or put in a little box as to your views on every topic simply because you are classed as left/right, Labor/Lib or whatever.

 

[raman]

And Hillary supporters got tricked into thinking that a warmongering neo-liberal had their best interests at heart because she said a few things they wanted to hear.

"The left" in this case backed the wrong horse. Instead of falling to their knees and screaming in the street they should back a candidate that absolutely 100% would be a good choice as leader and that person is Tulsi.

Ha! If only. I like Tulsi but she's also a bit of a maniac. It ain't gonna happen.

BTW offhand I don't recall liking anything that Hilary Clinton has said. But she does have something of a brain in her head, unlike the guy who got fewer votes than her.

 

[Magus]

Ha! If only. I like Tulsi but she's also a bit of a maniac. It ain't gonna happen.

BTW offhand I don't recall liking anything that Hilary Clinton has said. But she does have something of a brain in her head, unlike the guy who got fewer votes than her.

It won't happen because she isn't supported by mainstream media. CNN and co. hate Trump but not enough to back someone like her.

I think the parallel is the losing sides in the US and Australian elections just had such awful representatives and ran bad campaigns. You could say in both cases that the winner had a huge leg up because the alternative was just so unlikable. Do better Democrats and Labor.