Universal Love TRTT Part 8: Random thoughts also sack Hinkley

[Forzaport]

The problem is private ownership of energy. Capital will always favour the solution which completely ignores the concept of “sustainability” or the existence of an environment that can be destroyed.

The benefits of a coal power plant (money) are reserved for the private individual. The costs (literal deaths, destruction of the environment, deathmarch towards climate collapse) are shared by the public. The only way those costs get actually addressed is through public ownership.

Patently false. Capital favours profitability and sustainability. Companies that have little regard for their environmental impact largely fail these days. Most large companies issue annual sustainability/environmental reports for this very reason. Further, public ownership does not guarantee protection of natural resources.

You're about 40 years behind the times here.

 

[Kiss from a Rozee]

Patently false. Capital favours profitability and sustainability. Companies that have little regard for their environmental impact largely fail these days. Most large companies issue annual sustainability/environmental reports for this very reason. Further, public ownership does not guarantee protection of natural resources.

You're about 40 years behind the times here.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...els-at-37-facilities-around-u-s-idUSKBN1H50GQ

 

[NoddyHolder]

Thanks, I couldn't remember which parklands they were in, I used to play with the Wilson's at the Port back in the early 80s.

I played a few seasons with the Wilsons in the late 80s - south parklands. There are a few on here who played that weird variation of cricket I reckon

 

[Dylan8]

Patently false. Capital favours profitability and sustainability. Companies that have little regard for their environmental impact largely fail these days. Most large companies issue annual sustainability/environmental reports for this very reason. Further, public ownership does not guarantee protection of natural resources.

You're about 40 years behind the times here.

Sustainability reports etc feel like transparent PR spin when you read about how for decades companies like Exxon and Shell covered up their own research connecting what they were doing to the acceleration of global warming.

 

[Power Girl]

We used to play a form of british bulldog mixed with basketball on the concrete basketball courts called crash. Was basically basketball with tackling and hip n shoulders. Was great fun until a kid got shirt fronted, his head hit the concrete, blood pissed out everywhere and he ended up in hospital for a week.

Now you see why we should have security forces doing yard duty and not teachers.

 

[Far Kern]

Sustainability reports etc feel like transparent PR spin when you read about how for decades companies like Exxon and Shell covered up their own research connecting what they were doing to the acceleration of global warming.

Yeah, the thing that will stop and is currently stopping them is investor risk. If governments might swing the money hammer over the lifetime of the investment you have to pull out now. There’s nothing benevolent or sustainable about it.

 

[edgie]

Watched “Defendor” from 2009 last night. Very quaint little movie about an intellectually challenged man played by Woodie Harrelson who believes he is a super hero who fights against a drug cartel.

Pretty dark humour, awesome message, Harrelson absolutely owning it. Definitely had its flaws but I quite liked it.

Read about this but haven't seen, it sounds a little similar to James Gunn's Super with Rian Wilson and Kevin Bacon. Have you seen that?


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[raman]

We used to play a form of british bulldog mixed with basketball on the concrete basketball courts called crash. Was basically basketball with tackling and hip n shoulders. Was great fun until a kid got shirt fronted, his head hit the concrete, blood pissed out everywhere and he ended up in hospital for a week.

We used to play Brandy* with a cricket ball. That didn't last too long either.

(*Don't know how common this name is, but it's the one where everyone lines up against a wall which they have to be touching at all times. The 'it' player pegs a ball at the wall trying to hit someone. Someone gets hit, they are 'it'. Ball hits wall, 'it' throws again.)

 

[tribey]

Nuclear isn't being stopped from an en masse rollout because of green groups. The idea that green groups have any sort of major power is pretty laughable as in most areas they've been pushed to the fringe.

Nuclear isn't very popular amongst the general populace, most of whom don't identify as green.

It’s less the green groups themselves, more their successful decades-long anti-nuclear indoctrination of general populations and therefore the politicians who are elected by them, who are more than happy to believe scare campaigns and negligible knowledge of nuclear power beyond ‘Chernobyl!!1’ and ‘Fukushima!!!1’.

I was one. Not ashamed to say I was wrong.

The closing of existing, viable, online nuclear power plants in Germany and the US is quite possibly the stupidest shit humanity has ever done. And it’s a long long list.

 

[Prison bar Pete]

We used to play Brandy* with a cricket ball. That didn't last too long either.

(*Don't know how common this name is, but it's the one where everyone lines up against a wall which they have to be touching at all times. The 'it' player pegs a ball at the wall trying to hit someone. Someone gets hit, they are 'it'. Ball hits wall, 'it' throws again.)

Yep - brandy at our school. I'm not sure how I was able to reproduce after all those hits in the cods

 

[Dylan8]

This Aunty Donna bit is relevant

 

[Forzaport]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...els-at-37-facilities-around-u-s-idUSKBN1H50GQ

This article proves my point. VW's survival is predicated on them taking actions to be an honest operator. The emissions scandal severely hurt their business in the US and their reputation took a hit globally. Capital certainly wasn't flowing towards them once their underhanded activities became known to investors. VW broke the law, several laws. Investors just don't invest in companies that intentionally break the law.

Sustainability reports etc feel like transparent PR spin when you read about how for decades companies like Exxon and Shell covered up their own research connecting what they were doing to the acceleration of global warming.

Hence why the 40 years too late statement. There was a time when companies had no regard for their environmental or social impact but thankfully that time is in the past. Doesn't mean that there aren't companies doing bad things from time to time but it does mean that when those companies are exposed, their funding, suppliers and customers dry up as in the VW example. VW struggled to sell cars in the aftermath of the emissions scandal, it burned them very badly. Look at Nike - in 1995 they were happy to have kids working out of sweatshops in Indonesia, today Nike suppliers have to adhere to strict standards on employee welfare and minimum age of workers. Shell has previously worked with warlords to access oil deposists but now has strict envinromental and social policies to ensure they're ethical in their dealings with developing nations.

 

[Kiss from a Rozee]

Read about this but haven't seen, it sounds a little similar to James Gunn's Super with Rian Wilson and Kevin Bacon. Have you seen that?


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Nah I haven’t but I remember the trailers for it.

Judging from the trailer etc. it looks less dark than defendor was, though it is definitely similar. I feel like you’d enjoy it but I’m not sure haha, you’re a hard one to predict!

It’s key focus is on the main character’s struggle to deal with his place in society as he is mentally impaired, the fight scenes are all pretty short and nearly all of the interactions are between him and other characters, particularly a young girl that helps him and a psychiatrist evaluating him for the court.

 

[Forzaport]

It’s less the green groups themselves, more their successful decades-long anti-nuclear indoctrination of general populations and therefore the politicians who are elected by them, who are more than happy to believe scare campaigns and negligible knowledge of nuclear power beyond ‘Chernobyl!!1’ and ‘Fukushima!!!1’.

I was one. Not ashamed to say I was wrong.

The closing of existing, viable, online nuclear power plants in Germany and the US is quite possibly the stupidest shit humanity has ever done. And it’s a long long list.

I wouldn't say you were wrong. The nuclear disasters we have seen globally are all from Gen II reactor tech. Old tech. On balance, I would say humans have demonstrated an inability to safely and reliably operate Gen II nuclear power. Shutting them down is a good thing. Replacing Gen II nuclear with renewables that can't offer the same level of energy security was a mistake that has forced a return to coal and more gas power plants. I would be thrilled if renewables could do it.

In many ways, Gen II nuclear has been a disaster. It will take much effort to clean the image of nuclear as an energy source. There needs to be education on Gen III and Gen IV which are a whole different ball game, especially Gen IV. Comparing Gen II to Gen IV is like comparing a push bike to an iPhone. Totally different. The potential of Gen IV as a viable solution for climate change and to cleanly power our future simply can't be ignored. Bill Gates is a fantastic proponent, hopefully more people whose voice carries weight stand up to back the technology.

 

[edgie]

Nah I haven’t but I remember the trailers for it.

Judging from the trailer etc. it looks less dark than defendor was, though it is definitely similar. I feel like you’d enjoy it but I’m not sure haha, you’re a hard one to predict!

It’s key focus is on the main character’s struggle to deal with his place in society as he is mentally impaired, the fight scenes are all pretty short and nearly all of the interactions are between him and other characters, particularly a young girl that helps him and a psychiatrist evaluating him for the court.

Super is a bit weird in tone. I wouldn't say dark but it has moments where black comedy is pushed, like him killing a bloke who cuts in line to the movies, or female on male rape. The violence and gore doesn't hold back either.

Also likely the main is on the spectrum.


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[xflamedancer]

I played a few seasons with the Wilsons in the late 80s - south parklands. There are a few on here who played that weird variation of cricket I reckon

We probably crossed paths at some point then, I played about a season up there with them

 

[Schulzenfest]

European handball a close second to futsal for PE sports.

I played U16 state futsal for SA as a kid. Which sounds impressive until I go on to say that the U16 SA state futsal team went 0-15.

 

[philthy05]

Patently false. Capital favours profitability and sustainability. Companies that have little regard for their environmental impact largely fail these days. Most large companies issue annual sustainability/environmental reports for this very reason. Further, public ownership does not guarantee protection of natural resources.

You're about 40 years behind the times here.

I don’t know about large companies but smallish companies (ie million dollar companies with a staff of hundreds) aren’t like that at all


The companies I’ve worked for and with only care about short term profitability and barely care about their own sustainability much less care about the planet or anything else. They care as much as they can until it gets in the way of their jobs and earning money.

As long as money is the driving force it will always, always, always take precedence over other matters that aren’t immediately problematic. It’s ignorant to think otherwise.

Companies care about sustainability when it directly and immediately threatens their business.

 

[Forzaport]

I don’t know about large companies but smallish companies (ie million dollar companies with a staff of hundreds) aren’t like that at all


The companies I’ve worked for and with only care about short term profitability and barely care about their own sustainability much less care about the planet or anything else. They care as much as they can until it gets in the way of their jobs and earning money.

As long as money is the driving force it will always, always, always take precedence over other matters that aren’t immediately problematic. It’s ignorant to think otherwise.

Companies care about sustainability when it directly and immediately threatens their business.

All true. "Profits are only business of business" is the Milton Friedman philosophy, dating back to the 60s. The rub is that the larger a company gets, the greater its impact on environment and society. The greater the impact on environment and society, the harsher the response from society if the company is not acting in a sustainable manner.

Environmental laws and regulations are designed to keep the smaller companies in check, essentially forcing them to care about sustainbility to ensure their survival. If they breach the law they will face some fairly significant penalties. If that isn't occurring, then government and interest groups should be legislating and advocating, respectively, to correct it.

 

[philthy05]

All true. "Profits are only business of business" is the Milton Friedman philosophy, dating back to the 60s. The rub is that the larger a company gets, the greater its impact on environment and society. The greater the impact on environment and society, the harsher the response from society if the company is not acting in a sustainable manner.

Environmental laws and regulations are designed to keep the smaller companies in check, essentially forcing them to care about sustainbility to ensure their survival. If they breach the law they will face some fairly significant penalties. If that isn't occurring, then government and interest groups should be legislating and advocating, respectively, to correct it.

Except corporations effectively get to write the law.

 

[Grave Danger]

 

[LFC2010]

 

[Forzaport]

Except corporations effectively get to write the law.

They're doing a really bad job of it if their aim is to act without regard for environment and societal impact.

 

[Doctor Feel]

 

[raman]

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