Universal Love TRTT Part 8: Random thoughts also sack Hinkley

[Kiss from a Rozee]

Everything else taken as comment, absolute worst case scenarios for everything are bad.

When you place the statistically minuscule risk of meltdown alongside the reality of climate change, coral bleaching, glacial and ice cap recession, air/oceanic pollution and everything betwixt and between, it sounds like an anti-vaxxer being okay with polio, measles and cervical cancer because of anaphylaxis.

I understand this view, but we really don’t need to resort to nuclear power.

It’s the same with electric cars, yeah it’s better than the status quo but reaching 90% public transport coverage would be vastly superior.

Nuclear power is okay, nationalising the power industry would be amazing and we could have renewables no problem.

 

[Kiss from a Rozee]

I’d also enjoy not paying 3000000 middle men for the privilege of power to my home.

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

I’m not sure how this became about hanging shit on a left wing party for not trusting capitalist governments to run safe nuclear, when the previous government is right wing and so is the next one.

Greens stance on nuclear power has the same real relevance as the position on refugee treatment - almost completely ignorable by the major parties if they want to push the opposite.

 

[chiwigi]

Just quietly I'm looking forward to the GoT outrage instead of politics in this thread.

******* ******* ****** ******** ****** ** ***.

 

[raman]

I’m posting this 10% because it’s a little amusing but 90% how much more decent looking is he with a mo.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

I’m posting this 10% because it’s a little amusing but 90% how much more decent looking is he with a mo.

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Netrohs was more like Ralph Wiggum on Saturday night.

You could almost see the moment his heart broke.

 

[chiwigi]

You're bloody optimistic if you think no matter how economical and achievable it becomes Australia will have a reliance on renewables in 15 to 20 years.

Germany will probably manage it, and they have very little sun or coastline. The only reason Australia won’t is due to ineptitude.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/renewables-hit-record-77-percent-german-power-easter-monday

 

[tribey]

I’m not sure how this became about hanging **** on a left wing party for not trusting capitalist governments to run safe nuclear, when the previous government is right wing and so is the next one.

It’s not about trusting a government of any shade to run it safely though? It’s pure Voldemortesque opposition to the technology itself.

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

It’s not about trusting a government of any shade to run it safely though? It’s pure Voldemortesque opposition to the technology itself.

Well you’ll be relieved to know the Greens view on how to stop the apocalypse has been roundly rejected again, and can be largely disregarded

Lets just wait a couple days for ScoMos visionary ‘save the world’ outline that drew so many people to the LNP on the weekend. Should be good.

Lots of nuclear power coming up, yes?

 

[tribey]

Well you’ll be relieved to know the Greens view on how to stop the apocalypse has been roundly rejected again, and can be largely disregarded

Lets just wait a couple days for ScoMos visionary ‘save the world’ outline that drew so many people to the LNP on the weekend. Should be good.

Lots of nuclear power coming up, yes?

At least Bob Brown got to rile up the Landers with his turn as Ralph Nader ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[tribey]

Germany will probably manage it, and they have very little sun or coastline. The only reason Australia won’t is due to ineptitude.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/renewables-hit-record-77-percent-german-power-easter-monday

Re that hallowed Easter Monday, from Der Spiegel:

“They are working on creating a world that on one single day in April became glorious reality. Here in Germany. It was April 22. Easter Monday.

That day, it was sunny from morning to evening and there was plenty of wind to drive the turbines across the entire country. By the time the sun went down -- without the need of even a single puff of greenhouse gases -- 56 gigawatts of renewable energy had been produced, almost enough to cover the energy needs of the world's fourth-largest industrialized nation.

Unfortunately, it was only for that day.

The other days are dirty and gray: Most of the electricity that Germany needs is still produced by burning coal. Then there are the millions of oil and natural gas furnaces in German basements and the streets packed with the cars with diesel- and gasoline-powered motors.”

 

[Forzaport]

For reference, Gen III nuclear power has been around for about a decade and has a 100% safety record. All the meltdowns have come from Gen II reactors.

To understand the leap in safety between Gen II and Gen III, imagine a Gen II reactor as an egg and a Gen III reactor as an egg wrapped in 100 km of bubble wrap.

 

[chiwigi]

Re that hallowed Easter Monday, from Der Spiegel:

“They are working on creating a world that on one single day in April became glorious reality. Here in Germany. It was April 22. Easter Monday.

That day, it was sunny from morning to evening and there was plenty of wind to drive the turbines across the entire country. By the time the sun went down -- without the need of even a single puff of greenhouse gases -- 56 gigawatts of renewable energy had been produced, almost enough to cover the energy needs of the world's fourth-largest industrialized nation.

Unfortunately, it was only for that day.

The other days are dirty and gray: Most of the electricity that Germany needs is still produced by burning coal. Then there are the millions of oil and natural gas furnaces in German basements and the streets packed with the cars with diesel- and gasoline-powered motors.”

Absolutely, but it shows what is possible, and we aren’t Germany weather wise.

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

At least Bob Brown got to rile up the Landers with his turn as Ralph Nader ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah OK. I mean you can criticise the Greens all you like, and I certainly don't agree with all their platform positions, but the reality of Australia apparently isn't changing. The reason the Greens and their environmental views can't make headway isn't because they have a hippie view of nuclear power, its because Australians chose to defer thinking about the planet's future for another four years because its ****ing scary. And/or in the case of boomers, because they might be dead by then and ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The future of Australia's environment is currently in the hands of the right wing, or further in the future at best a very centre left wing party.

You want nuclear power? Great. LNP doesn't have any ideological stance against it, talk to them. Demand it, even.

You want breathable air? Better ask the recently elected party that reckons they know whats best for Australia to tell you what they're going to do about it.

The Greens MP and senators voted in will do what they can, but if you want something meaningful to happen its pretty much time to accept GREENS OUT MIC DROP, look to people who have been empowered to make change now for some actual leadership, and not let the major parties coast by on pretending whats coming is further away than it is.

 

[tribey]

Yeah OK. I mean you can criticise the Greens all you like, and I certainly don't agree with all their platform positions, but the reality of Australia apparently isn't changing. The reason the Greens and their environmental views can't make headway isn't because they have a hippie view of nuclear power, its because Australians chose to defer thinking about the planet's future for another four years because its ******* scary. And/or in the case of boomers, because they might be dead by then and ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The future of Australia's environment is currently in the hands of the right wing, or further in the future at best a very centre left wing party.

You want nuclear power? Great. LNP doesn't have any ideological stance against it, talk to them. Demand it, even.

You want breathable air? Better ask the recently elected party that reckons they know whats best for Australia to tell you what they're going to do about it.

The Greens MP and senators voted in will do what they can, but if you want something meaningful to happen its pretty much time to accept GREENS OUT MIC DROP, look to people who have been empowered to make change now for some actual leadership, and not let the major parties coast by on pretending whats coming is further away than it is.

I voted for Daniel ‘Citizens’ Jury.

 

[Papa G]

There's no votes in nuclear energy...... There's lots of votes in coal. Neither party pushes it for this very reason. And as you say, nobody cares what the Greens think (even though they aren't advocates for it).

 

[edgie]

I’m posting this 10% because it’s a little amusing but 90% how much more decent looking is he with a mo.

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I'd vote that mo for PM. Looks like Bill is good at something after all.


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[Contested Marx]

Can't agree with that REH.

Most people talking about the sanctity of life use a religious background to support this, so they're often bound to an ideology that can be caught out. Jesus was a very forgivey guy.

There's nothing inately hypocritical about being pro-choice and anti-death penalty, and I'm not aware of a commonly believed dogma that has a firm position putting those views in opposition. Well, except the same religion as the first guy.

If you're not religious, no conflict. Easy for a leftie pinko commie, but harder for the right wing gun nut playing on `family values''

Disclaimer: I tend not to engage to heavily into politics+religion discussion but this is a topic I've been recently intrigued by given my somewhat conservative background and some political motions occurring mostly in Alabama and some frat parties 35 years prior.

Just as there's plenty of biblical content that can push for a pro-lbtgqi tolerance or even affirmation*, there's also a sneaky little old testament verse that had been translated and watered down which otherwise shakes the foundation of the extreme Pro-lifers.

Somewhere in exodus...

“If people are fighting with each other and happen to hurt a pregnant woman so badly that her unborn child dies, then, even if no other harm follows, he must be fined. He must pay the amount set by the woman’s husband and confirmed by judges."
Exodus 21:22

But most English translations (oddly by male middle aged white men in the middle of the 1960's) tweaked it to say "if she gives birth early" because of the obvious connotation the verse gives on valuing an unborn child less than a fully developed human. In fact the verses all around discuss more severe punishments for death and harm.

*fun discussion for another time, but Jesus actually blatantly (riffing off Lady Gaga) uses the words "born this way" and it's widely accepted doctrine that any condemnation of homosexual behaviour in the Bible (words by Paul, not in red) are aimed at temple prostitution, ie linked to idolotry rather than what the religious right and fundoevangelists have taken it for

 

[chiwigi]

I’d rather watch Sunday’s first half again than that GOT ending.

 

[noffle]

Everything else taken as comment, absolute worst case scenarios for everything are bad.

When you place the statistically minuscule risk of meltdown alongside the reality of climate change, coral bleaching, glacial and ice cap recession, air/oceanic pollution and everything betwixt and between, it sounds like an anti-vaxxer being okay with polio, measles and cervical cancer because of anaphylaxis.

Sure, and that's why I'd support nuclear if there was a whiff of an economic argument for it in Australia. It's just that I wouldn't begrudge the Germans about getting NIMBY when it comes to their outdated and ageing reactors when a pretty similar one in Japan goes belly up.

 

[Grave Danger]

I’m posting this 10% because it’s a little amusing but 90% how much more decent looking is he with a mo.

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WA's opposition leader draws obvious comparisons with Ned Flanders...

 

[Andre]

Yeah OK. I mean you can criticise the Greens all you like, and I certainly don't agree with all their platform positions, but the reality of Australia apparently isn't changing. The reason the Greens and their environmental views can't make headway isn't because they have a hippie view of nuclear power, its because Australians chose to defer thinking about the planet's future for another four years because its ******* scary. And/or in the case of boomers, because they might be dead by then and ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The future of Australia's environment is currently in the hands of the right wing, or further in the future at best a very centre left wing party.

You want nuclear power? Great. LNP doesn't have any ideological stance against it, talk to them. Demand it, even.

You want breathable air? Better ask the recently elected party that reckons they know whats best for Australia to tell you what they're going to do about it.

The Greens MP and senators voted in will do what they can, but if you want something meaningful to happen its pretty much time to accept GREENS OUT MIC DROP, look to people who have been empowered to make change now for some actual leadership, and not let the major parties coast by on pretending whats coming is further away than it is.

It’s also because many are something the Greens aren’t - pragmatic. Most people realise having less then half of one percent of the worlds population that whatever we do, good or bad, is going to have about as much effect on the Climate as dropping a fart whilst inside a full septic tank.

We’ve had governments pro-Climate and it doesn’t matter, we don’t have the size to influence the US, China, India and other big polluters. Rightly or wrongly Australians don’t want to adopt policies that hinder them, when due to the big countries not acting is pain for bugger all gain.

I’ll vote for any party (not run by a dodgy crook like Clive), that pushes nuclear and GMO food (for the reduced footprint and resources used to grow). Put up those I’ll consider you pro-environment and not just pushing an ideology of anti-capitalist / consumerist / meat eater.

 

[bomberclifford]

Disclaimer: I tend not to engage to heavily into politics+religion discussion but this is a topic I've been recently intrigued by given my somewhat conservative background and some political motions occurring mostly in Alabama and some frat parties 35 years prior.

Just as there's plenty of biblical content that can push for a pro-lbtgqi tolerance or even affirmation*, there's also a sneaky little old testament verse that had been translated and watered down which otherwise shakes the foundation of the extreme Pro-lifers.

Somewhere in exodus...

But most English translations (oddly by male middle aged white men in the middle of the 1960's) tweaked it to say "if she gives birth early" because of the obvious connotation the verse gives on valuing an unborn child less than a fully developed human. In fact the verses all around discuss more severe punishments for death and harm.

*fun discussion for another time, but Jesus actually blatantly (riffing off Lady Gaga) uses the words "born this way" and it's widely accepted doctrine that any condemnation of homosexual behaviour in the Bible (words by Paul, not in red) are aimed at temple prostitution, ie linked to idolotry rather than what the religious right and fundoevangelists have taken it for

You are an intriguing fellow, Haha.

I look forward to our next beer, bourbon and rollies night.

 

[Butters Made Me Do It]

It’s also because many are something the Greens aren’t - pragmatic. Most people realise having less then half of one percent of the worlds population that whatever we do, good or bad, is going to have about as much effect on the Climate as dropping a fart whilst inside a full septic tank.

We’ve had governments pro-Climate and it doesn’t matter, we don’t have the size to influence the US, China, India and other big polluters. Rightly or wrongly Australians don’t want to adopt policies that hinder them, when due to the big countries not acting is pain for bugger all gain.

I’ll vote for any party (not run by a dodgy crook like Clive), that pushes nuclear and GMO food (for the reduced footprint and resources used to grow). Put up those I’ll consider you pro-environment and not just pushing an ideology of anti-capitalist / consumerist / meat eater.

Yeah but Andre, we're beyond `I'll vote for someone different!', because its not going to matter until consequences are well and truly smacking us about. Everything you just said is so utterly conditional that its meaningless.

Pointing at `oh but big countries' is something basically every country can contrive to do with minor variation, and is just another stalling tactic.

The only environmentalists now are people who harrass their MPs and senators to do something, regardless of what party got elected to the spot. Everyone else is just wind.

 

[tribey]

Everyone else is just wind

Which we’d all agree isn’t the magic bullet it’s purported to be.