Universal Love TRTT Part 8: Random thoughts also sack Hinkley

[Forzaport]

You mean like the Murdoch press pushing an agenda that everything is hunky dory?

Yes.

 

[Magus]

I hate that the climate argument has taken precedent over every other environmental issue, many of which could be improved through ethical choices.

 

[Kiss from a Rozee]

Nuclear isn’t remotely a solution.

Climate change is a social problem, not a technological one.

 

[Del165198]

I hate that the climate argument has taken precedent over every other environmental issue, many of which could be improved through ethical choices.

It takes precedent because it's the most important. There's actually still a chance to have an impact. 2 degrees vs 4 degrees of warming in the next 80 years has absolutely massive implications

Edit: that's not to say we should ignore the other issues, like the stupidity of growing cotton and rice in an arid zone

 

[Janus]

On climate change there is no other side of the argument. The argument has been smashed to bits decades ago.

Should we give flat earthers a platform too? What about holocaust deniers?

There's no point arguing about facts.

Climate deniers at this point are using an argument based of faith and belief and their own value system. Which does not equate with facts. That's why people are so ******* angry.

Oh yeah?


“Milankovitch cycles describe the collective effects of changes in the Earth's movements on its climate over thousands of years. The term is named for Serbian geophysicist and astronomer Milutin Milanković. In the 1920s, he hypothesized that variations in eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession of the Earth's orbitresulted in cyclical variation in the solar radiation reaching the Earth, and that this orbital forcing strongly influenced climatic patterns on Earth.”

“More recent work suggests that orbital variations should gradually increase 65° N summer insolation over the next 25,000 years. Earth's orbit will become less eccentric for about the next 100,000 years, so changes in this insolation will be dominated by changes in obliquity, and should not decline enough to permit a new glacial period in the next 50,000 years.”

I bet you’ve never even heard of this scientific fact until now.

Anthropological climate change exists, but it’s effect on the actual climate is pretty minuscule compared to increases in solar radiation due to axis tilt, eccentricity etc. Should people take action? I believe they can and they should. But for reasons other than “climate change”. How about just not shitting where you sleep by dumping toxic waste into rivers etc, like mining companies do when they strip the earth of precious resources to make electronics etc?

That would be a better thing to focus on IMO.

 

[Duck Farmer]

Grave Danger, Power Raid and other Perth based Port fans, what is the story behind this 3 or 4 year old sculpture down by the docks at Freo? Just some gay wharfie wanting to pay homage to shipping containers, or just something completely different.



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My OCD wants to know why there are two yellow containers.

 

[Del165198]

Oh yeah?

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“Milankovitch cycles describe the collective effects of changes in the Earth's movements on its climate over thousands of years. The term is named for Serbian geophysicist and astronomer Milutin Milanković. In the 1920s, he hypothesized that variations in eccentricity, axial tilt, and precession of the Earth's orbitresulted in cyclical variation in the solar radiation reaching the Earth, and that this orbital forcing strongly influenced climatic patterns on Earth.”

“More recent work suggests that orbital variations should gradually increase 65° N summer insolation over the next 25,000 years. Earth's orbit will become less eccentric for about the next 100,000 years, so changes in this insolation will be dominated by changes in obliquity, and should not decline enough to permit a new glacial period in the next 50,000 years.”

I bet you’ve never even heard of this scientific fact until now.

Anthropological climate change exists, but it’s effect on the actual climate is pretty minuscule compared to increases in solar radiation due to axis tilt, eccentricity etc. Should people take action? I believe they can and they should. But for reasons other than “climate change”. How about just not s**tting where you sleep by dumping toxic waste into rivers etc, like mining companies do when they strip the earth of precious resources to make electronics etc?

That would be a better thing to focus on IMO.

Oh for ****s sake. I spent 3 years at uni studying climate science. Ive heard all about milankovic cycles.

It's well established that the climate fluctuates on geological time scales. It's also well established that the SCALE AND RAPIDITY of the current warming FAR EXCEEDS ANYTHING SEEN IN PALEOCLIMATOLOGY. THIS IS KNOWN.

 

[Janus]

My OCD wants to know why there are two yellow containers.

Your yellow-green colour blindness has the answer.

 

[Lagooner]

My OCD wants to know why there are two yellow containers.

There isn’t. One is Arabian Sunrise and the other is Lemon Lime Sorbet.

Sorry I’ve been choosing paints this week.

Kill me.

 

[Del165198]

Thousands upon thousands of published peer reviewed articles. Not pseudoscience babble.

 

[Magus]

It takes precedent because it's the most important. There's actually still a chance to have an impact. 2 degrees vs 4 degrees of warming in the next 80 years has absolutely massive implications

Edit: that's not to say we should ignore the other issues, like the stupidity of growing cotton and rice in an arid zone

Stuff like the dwindling worldwide bee population due to the use of pesticides, a 50% drop in fish and other marine wildlife in the ocean since 1970 due to overfishing and the shrinking of rainforest due to clearing to raise livestock and also for palm oil plantations. When stuff like this starts getting discussed more I'll agree that education is taking place. All I'm seeing at the moment is kids holding signs saying they don't want the world to get warmer. That's great and all but what can be done right now beyond voting for the right guy?

 

[Del165198]

Stop electing the liberal party would be a start

 

[Magus]

Stop electing the liberal party would be a start

And then what?

 

[Janus]

Oh for fu**s sake. I spent 3 years at uni studying climate science. Ive heard all about milankovic cycles.

It's well established that the climate fluctuates on geological time scales. It's also well established that the SCALE AND RAPIDITY of the current warming FAR EXCEEDS ANYTHING SEEN IN PALEOCLIMATOLOGY. THIS IS KNOWN.

Did you not read the second part where it says that the cycle won’t fluctuate enough for a new glacial event?

If it’s not going to get cold enough to form new ice, something that hasn’t happened in the past, doesn’t it stand to reason that the ocean temperature would be warmer in scale and rapidity?

It’s basic thermodynamics. Cold doesn’t exist, it’s just an absence of heat. If there is residual heat from the previous cycle that hasn’t been dissipated, of course it’s going to heat up more rapidly.

 

[Grave Danger]

My OCD wants to know why there are two yellow containers.

I don't think you could make a very good arch with just six sea containers. Real rainbows don't have pink in them either.

Freo likes to see itself as a bit San Francisco, but in reality it's a bit of a dump. I went to the markets there yesterday only to find that the last place in WA to sell Cheshire cheese has now gone - replaced by some smelly street food stall, so I no longer have any reason to go to Fremantle.

 

[NoddyHolder]

Stuff like the dwindling worldwide bee population due to the use of pesticides, a 50% drop in fish and other marine wildlife in the ocean since 1970 due to overfishing and the shrinking of rainforest due to clearing to raise livestock and also for palm oil plantations. When stuff like this starts getting discussed more I'll agree that education is taking place.

My kids are at school. This stuff is being discussed and I'm frequently being told about it.
My daughter has gone from an enthusiastic meat eater to vegetarian for ethical reasons and she's getting close to convincing me to follow

 

[Doctor Feel]

 

[Janus]

My kids are at school. This stuff is being discussed and I'm frequently being told about it.
My daughter has gone from an enthusiastic meat eater to vegetarian for ethical reasons and she's getting close to convincing me to follow

I'm of the opinion that if you took the paleo diet, scrubbed out the shit about not eating things like potatoes and grains (as if these things didn't exist before farming) and only ate fish as a meat protein once a day (if that), you'd probably be close to what we are meant to be eating as a species.

 

[Capital Power]

Have recently replaced my desktop, and my wife commented that there were an awful lot of cables, so i've been trying to rationalise. One possible addition would be a bluetooth speaker setup. Can anyone make any recommendations please? I have 5.1 speakers at the moment but 2.1 would be adequate. OS is Windows 10. Ta

 

[edgie]

...I mean we did just have 300,000 people turn up for marches across the country to strike for climate action. To borrow a phrase, the kids are alright.

Kids? What would they know?


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[edgie]

The fact we live in a world where the youth are reliant on adults to purchase their education and smartphones is exactly what's wrong with the world.

Older generations have spawned kidlets into a poisoned pond of their own making.

Since when are youth reliant on adults to buy the latest iPhone xvcm?


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[edgie]

I hate that the climate argument has taken precedent over every other environmental issue, many of which could be improved through ethical choices.

I doubt many of the protesters are even aware of the the dead waterways and horrific corruption and policies in water management.


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[edgie]

This is the most sense Janus has made since the last time he quoted an 80s movie, probably one with Tom Cruise.


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[Doctor Feel]

 

[edgie]

'Climate change' is a just a trendy catch call. So much more goes in to a sustainable environmental policy. Not one of the demands made by be protesting groups goes any way to addressing the fact that many places more than a bees dick from the cities are full of empty damns.

How many of those people yesty were wearing Australian cotton?


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