Roast Tyson Stengle sacked after ****ing up again

[WeedsMullet84]

88 pages dedicated to a player who was shown the door after several high-profile indiscretions.

Move along.

 

[BACCS]

88 pages dedicated to a player who was shown the door after several high-profile indiscretions.

Move along.

I think the Lyons thread should tell you about how long this thread will get dragged out for

 

[AFC979810]

I thought it was the correct decision at the time, clearly it wasn't. Not sure why people prefer mental gymnastics to just admitting an error.

Its a bit simplified IMO.

The kid clearly had issues. I think its no coincidence he didn't have issues when he lived with Eddie in Adelaide. Eddie leaves and he has 3 incidents in a short amount of time. Then moves back in with Eddie 6 months later, joins Geelong and turns it around again.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Its a bit simplified IMO.

The kid clearly had issues. I think its no coincidence he didn't have issues when he lived with Eddie in Adelaide. Eddie leaves and he has 3 incidents in a short amount of time. Then moves back in with Eddie 6 months later, joins Geelong and turns it around again.

That means Geelong is just reaping the benefits of having a better support system for their players. Maybe there is a lesson here.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

So glad our team turned around and became a juggernaut after our pathetic first 10 weeks so that Fogarty could begin to thrive. The transition from our 21 point loss to St.Kilda to our 42 point flogging at the hands of Geelong was staggering.

Bur Stengle would have stunk the whole time right?

 

[AFC979810]

That means Geelong is just reaping the benefits of having a better support system for their players. Maybe there is a lesson here.

Oh absolutely. Nobody is debating that.

Off the field it makes complete sense that a player on his 3rd club (and likely final chance) joining a team full of married 40 year olds chasing a flag whilst moving in with his mentor that kept him on the straight and narrow whilst in Adelaide has lead to him getting it all together.

Combine that with joining the 2nd highest scoring team of 2021, that had the most Inside 50's of 2022 alongside the All Australian CHF, All Australian FF it was a perfect storm.

 

[AFC979810]

Bur Stengle would have stunk the whole time right?

Probably.

Looking at the culture we had and with the benefit of hindsight and what Eddie Betts publicly said in 2021 - I don't think he would have been in an environment on or of the field to get anywhere near the level he has achieved in Geelong.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Well s**t. Did you take a vacation the last 5 years?!?!?!? Ya think we had a culture in early March of 2021 that was able to nurture and get the best out of Stengle?

We haven't been a good and supportive environment at all. Thats why we brought in Nicks. Hopefully its changed now as evidenced by both Dawson/Rankine nominating us and us not losing anyone (so far) in 2021/2022.

Brought in Nicks in 2020... how did Stengle fare in that environment?

The reason these threads (and the Lyons one) get bumped constantly is because it shows we wouldn't spot a good player even if it slapped us in the face.
And don't (or didn't hopefully, past tense) have the culture in place to positively influence players who fall off the track.

How can a team bereft of talent let a talented player go? We felt it was no biggie. In our judgement his ability didn't warrant the headaches. That judgement isn't ancient history either, it's last year.

 

[ams4crows]

Oh absolutely. Nobody is debating that.

Off the field it makes complete sense that a player on his 3rd club (and likely final chance) joining a team full of married 40 year olds chasing a flag whilst moving in with his mentor that kept him on the straight and narrow whilst in Adelaide has lead to him getting it all together.

Combine that with joining the 2nd highest scoring team of 2021, that had the most Inside 50's of 2022 alongside the All Australian CHF, All Australian FF it was a perfect storm.

Exactly, a lightning in the bottle moment

 

[Drummond]

Well done to Hamish and the talent identification team - damn shame we didn’t get the benefits on this occasion but ultimately individuals need to be accountable for their own behaviour.

As a club we are CLEARLY the best at identifying and recruiting/trading for elite small forwards. In Hamishs reign Betts, Cameron, Stenge and now Rankine. Blows everyone else out the park

Wait, what. You’re claiming Betts and Rankine, two established stars? And Stengle had already highlighted some real talent while at Richmond.

Talk about clutching straws.

 

[AFC979810]

Brought in Nicks in 2020... how did Stengle fare in that environment?

The reason these threads (and the Lyons one) get bumped constantly is because it shows we wouldn't spot a good player even if it slapped us in the face.
And don't (or didn't hopefully, past tense) have the culture in place to positively influence players who fall off the track.

How can a team bereft of talent let a talented player go? We felt it was no biggie. In our judgement his ability didn't warrant the headaches. That judgement isn't ancient history either, it's last year.

Nicks was brought in at the end of 2019. Stengle got done for drink driving in season in April 2020, Caught again drunk and with drugs in September and then photographed with coke in December.

After the complete cluster of the previous 3 years and coming off a wooden spoon year where we lost 16 games in a row - it takes a little more time to change a clubs culture.

And lets not go over the top here early indicators showed that he AFL level talent, but he was also a massive massive risk off the field. He was a rookie listed player that went to Richmond and couldn't get a game. We acquired him for pick 68. He then was passed on EVERY SINGLE OTHER AFL CLUB in the midseason draft, before going to Geelong that was willing to take the risk because they had a culture strong enough to sustain it if it went pear shaped.

Do you think Marlion Pickett would have had the success he had if he went to St.Kilda instead of Richmond?

 

[AFC979810]

Wait, what. You’re claiming Betts and Rankine, two established stars? And Stengle had already highlighted some real talent while at Richmond.

Talk about clutching straws.

Can we pump the brakes a little here.

He played 2 games in 2 years for 2 goals at Richmond. He was also traded for pick 68.

 

[Scorpus]

And lets not go over the top here early indicators showed that he AFL level talent, but he was also a massive massive risk off the field.

He didn't show much at the Crows. His 2020 season was similar to Rowe's season this year

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Do you think Marlion Pickett would have had the success he had if he went to St.Kilda instead of Richmond?

No, but this is the thing I find stunning about all this. That people actually invest time saying Well done club, you got it right.

And at the same time say

What do you expect? We're a bad club with a bad culture like St Kilda, that's why Stengle wouldn't succeed here

It's like you've accepted We're a poor club and will continually make terrible decisions, this is just another one in a long line, so why would people be angry about losing an AA player for nothing

 

[jackster83]

He'd be laughing at us now.

He got his contract paid out (presumably in full)
Got to play in a flag with his WWT mates
Picked straight back up onto an AFL list
All Australian
Minor premiership and possibly a flag in his first season at Geelong.

 

[AFC979810]

No, but this is the thing I find stunning about all this. That people actually invest time saying Well done club, you got it right.

And at the same time say

What do you expect? We're a bad club with a bad culture like St Kilda, that's why Stengle wouldn't succeed here

It's like you've accepted We're a poor club and will continually make terrible decisions, this is just another one in a long line, so why would people be angry about losing an AA player for nothing

Well those two points aren't mutually exclusive.

I don't think its unreasonable to say that we were an absolute disaster from September through to Nicks' appointment. That has been worn out and I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

That led us to the situation we were in - a club that was void of senior players coming off the most tumultuous 3 years in our clubs history following our first wooden spoon.

With all the facts and understanding the benefit of hindsight - I think its fair to say the club made the right decision at the time. I firmly believe Stengle wouldn't have thrived at the Crows in 2021.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

Only 10 of his 46 goals against top 8 sides.

 

[StonesThrow]

If you go back and read the thread, there weren't exactly a huge amount of people advocating for us to retain him and when he was finally let go, quite a few of our resident 'experts' said he wasn't any good anyway.

I do get a few wrong still

Ah man. I liked Stengle.

 

[AFC979810]

Only 10 of his 46 goals against top 8 sides.

More indicative of the position rather than the player IMO.

 

[GROTTO]

Only 10 of his 46 goals against top 8 sides.

Cats have only had 8 games against Top 8 sides, he went goal less in three games, noting in those games he had 14 and 12 disposals and the Cats won both. The other game was the Buddy 1000th goal game.

 

[119others]

Wait, what. You’re claiming Betts and Rankine, two established stars? And Stengle had already highlighted some real talent while at Richmond.

Talk about clutching straws.

Haha.

CC was completely unknown.
The 'real talent' of Stengle went for the princely sum of a late 4th rounder in 2018 ie market price near ZERO
Betts was widely considered to be overpaid (and troubled off field and very inconsistent) when joining us and it was one of our best ever recruitment decisions.
And if I was a betting man Rankine will be the leagues best small forward over the best part of the decade. Great time to pick him up

 

[119others]

Can we pump the brakes a little here.

He played 2 games in 2 years for 2 goals at Richmond. He was also traded for pick 68.

well said and yes I assume the other poster was joking with that comment

 

[1970crow]

Fixed that for you..

Yeh, definitely doesn’t apply to non-operational staff or board members.

 

[Interloperer]

If my memory serves me correctly wasn't Stengle's "Third Strike" a past incident being dredged up, rather than him doing something at the time?

 

[adelaidecrows]

It's staggering how we can relentlessly lose out on every player deal that leaves the club.