Umpiring

[Michael_knoth]

oi ****** do you know how to read i said 17 to 7 free kicks or 'something' obviousl;y meaning some where around there and it was around there at 15 to 9.

also did you read my post or just see what you wanted to see? i wasnt blaming the umpires for the loss? i said essendon deservered it. **** me dead mate.

 

[Smoky]

Re: Another close win for the umpires...

3 bad decisions in my mind.

Shane Obrees tackle that resulted in no handball or kick simply dropped the ball...play on.

Medhurst not being scragged running into goal in the forward 50

Rocca in the contest, 5 metres from the ball, push in the side... (although this happened to WCE last week how bewildered were all the commentaters about it then? Apparently if you are much bigger than your opponent you're not allowed to do this anymore judging by both of these decisions. If this is the case they really should put it in the rule changes and make it official rather than just change the interpretation of the rule 4 rounds in.

We still should have won... but would have won if Roccas contest was judged legal (which it was). If this is the new interpretation we need to get rid of Rocca until he can provide more with fitness as this is his one trick at the moment... in other words due to this new interpretation Rocca is finished. Wish we'd known this at the end of last year.

Essendon deserved to win - they wanted it more and there were a couple of decisions that could have gone their way that didnt... but that Rocca one, no decision was worse than that. What was the free kick count again? Did we get as many as half of their free kicks?

 

[Magpiemack]

Re: Another close win for the umpires...

Stop looking for excuses!

Not looking at excuses..just facts.

 

[Old Spice]

Thought the umpiring was pretty good today, bar the Rocca decision. The free kicks went largely Essendons way which is no problem, so long as they're right, and they generally were today.

 

[Magpiemack]

Rubbish. There was no way that it should have been 15 free kicks to 8 free kicks, and not only should Rocca's goal have stood, but it most definitely should not have been a free kick and a 50 metre penalty. Of course Essendon were desperate and wanted to win more, but that does not give the umpires the right to pay the touchy free kicks to Essendon and to overlook the touchy free kicks that didn't go to Collingwood.Where did you get that from? It was not even at all! Essendon received 15-8 free kicks in a match that should not have been so lopsided. Essendon got their touchy frees. Collingwood did not. It was the second time that the umpires have had a direct bearing on a Collingwood loss under a goal and it was the seond time this season that the umpires had a direct bearing on an Essendon win under a goal.

Spot on!

 

[premiers06]

Thought the umpiring was pretty good today, bar the Rocca decision. The free kicks went largely Essendons way which is no problem, so long as they're right, and they generally were today.

exactly i hate it when our fans just bag the umpires for a loss its just not on, essendon were better than us and thats that, it takes 4 quarters to get a result and essendon deserved it and because there is all this whinging about umpires they are always going to pay the 50/50 free kick towards the other side, which is fair enough, collingwood and its fans should worry about the 22 playing and the 22 against not the other 3 men of the game.

 

[favourites]

I just want to know what is and what isn't holding the ball/incorrect disposal. It changes week by week and its so frustrating.

The umpires didnt win the game for Essendon heart did.

But they have no feeling for the game at all. The 50 against Rocca was the worst decision ever. There was 80,000 screaming fans and he is meant to hear a whistle. They just are as dumb as they look in their yellow banana costumes.

 

[bloodpumpsRnB]

Re: Another close win for the umpires...

That game was wrapped up in a box with a ribbon on top and a personalised card saying 'Dear Essendon, especially for you, love Collingwood FC.'

Not trolling, just saying that you guys lost the game, not the umpires.

 

[KissStephanie]

The umpires didnt win the game for Essendon heart did.

I disagree. Essendon's heart meant that it was going to be a close game and not over until the final siren, but Collingwood still would have won if it wasn't for at least one crucial free kick. I watched the match live here in the US, and there is no way in my mind that Essendon should have received nearly twice as many free kicks.

 

[longytap]

Unfortunately we are always going to be a second rate team til we can consistently beat 3rd rate teams like the Bombers. Sure we maybe didn't get the rub of the green with the decisions but we still should have beaten them.

Third rate? No Hille,Mcviegh,Prismall,Welsh,Riemers. By rights a top four side like yourselves should have easily accounted for a third rate side like us.

 

[Smoky]

Re: Another close win for the umpires...

That game was wrapped up in a box with a ribbon on top and a personalised card saying 'Dear Essendon, especially for you, love Collingwood FC.'

Not trolling, just saying that you guys lost the game, not the umpires.

I agree. The Rocca decison was pathetic and Collingwood let this take such a negative affect over their play that what happened in the 5 minutes after that was 100% the players fault.

 

[Visions]

Re: Another close win for the umpires...

The beauty about umpiring decisions is that it can be interpreted both ways. If the Rocca decision went his way, the umpiring fraternity would have come out and defended the decision saying it was correct. They will also now defend the decision as it is saying it was correct.

The umpires are always correct and their decisions never effect the outcome of game. Just ask the AFL. They will never admit a problem is at hand, much like a drug addict. Until they do recognise the problem (Armegeddon has a better chance of happeneing) we will always get the status quo.

 

[Rocket23]

I would like to distance myself from this crap as bad as the umpiring was they have been crap for all sides all year.
It is OUR fault we play crap along the boundary shit
It is OUR fault we went easy on Ryder
It is OUR fault we cant put together a four quarter game of football
It is OUR fault we don't win the games we should win

That was a deplorable effort today and from someone who was very optimisitic at the start of the year I can't see anything but another average year where we're left wondering what could of been.

I heard Robert Walls say this and thought then what a load of rubbish it was. Ryder is a bloody good footballer with a massive leap. In dry conditions he was always going to jump over Fraser and Brown. As soon as he went into the ruck I was more worried than when Hille was on.

I would like to know how Collingwood was supposed to make it harder for him?

 

[longytap]

And if the Rocca decision was correctly judged we would have won by 4 goals.. mystery solved

Always the umpies fault, hehe

 

[Kazbah]

Dropping the ball....

Seriously....is this a rule anymore? Essendon clearly dropped the ball 2 or 3 times today and not once was it called....i'm sick and tired of these F wit umps that fail to call it....

Grrrrrrrrrrr....

End rant.....

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Re: Another close win for the umpires...

Unfortunately we are always going to be a second rate team til we can consistently beat 3rd rate teams like the Bombers. Sure we maybe didn't get the rub of the green with the decisions but we still should have beaten them.

I think that's a pretty realistic way of looking at it. Yes, the umpires had a major influence over the game again, but ultimately Essendon aren't a very good side, we played laconically in patches and like millionaires in others, and probably didn't deserve to win despite having a class edge and kicking more accurately. We need to become much, much better so that such 50/50 factors don't come into it.

In Round 1 there were seven umpiring decisions that cost us a four point loss.

This week there was only one umpiring decision that might have cost us the game. When it boils down to only one decision you cant blame the umpires.

Essendon beat us fair and square.

Agree, this was not on the same scale as the Adelaide fix, pardon me, "match".

If the umpires were as "neutral" as you I wouldn't mind. I stand to be corrected but I don't think we've been on the positive end of the free kick count in any game this season.

Against Geelong we had a 3 free kick advantage. That's the only game IIRC, including NAB Cup.

The beauty about umpiring decisions is that it can be interpreted both ways. If the Rocca decision went his way, the umpiring fraternity would have come out and defended the decision saying it was correct. They will also now defend the decision as it is saying it was correct.

The umpires are always correct and their decisions never effect the outcome of game. Just ask the AFL. They will never admit a problem is at hand, much like a drug addict. Until they do recognise the problem (Armegeddon has a better chance of happeneing) we will always get the status quo.

You're probably right, and it's probably an advantage of making the rule interpretations so horrendously ambiguous. Virtually any decision can be justified retrospectively. I've never seen a rule that says you can't push someone in the side within 5m of the ball.

 

[lihei]

Rocca decision is another we add to the scrapbook.

 

[Blade of Chronic]

Collingwood didn't play well tonight. Didak and Heath Shaw out hurt, no forward pressure and we got dominated in the ruck. But aside from that, Essendon laid 66 tackles and was given 15 frees. While we laid 69 tackles and was given 9 frees. I saw so many tackles that should of resulted into a Collingwood free kick because Essendon players just simply dropped it and even though some were not paid against Collingwood, Collingwood should have gotten more free's than 9!

Although we played shit and Essendon were more desperate than us, with all the frees not given to us and the Rocca one we still would have won.

 

[KissStephanie]

In Round 1 there were seven umpiring decisions that cost us a four point loss.

I definitely agree. There were actually seven incorrect decisions in that match according to Jeff Geischen, and five of them effected Collingwood. At least one goal against Adelaide was due to bad umpiring and they had a direct hand in the result.

This week there was only one umpiring decision that might have cost us the game. When it boils down to only one decision you cant blame the umpires.

Today wasn't as obvious as the loss to Adelaide, but the umpiring still had a direct effect on the match. The Rocca goal should have stood. At the very least he could have been given the benefit of the doubt and not penalised 50 metres.

Essendon won with one second left on the clock, but take away that 50 metres then they would not have been able to kick three goals in the remaining time. I watched the match on telly, and there is no way that they deserved a 15-8 free kick count advantage.

Essendon beat us fair and square.

No they didn't. If Rocca's goal stands, then Collingwood wins. If Rocca is not penalised 50 metres, then Essendon probably runs out of time. Essendon kicked two goals from incorrect decisions against Carlton in Round 3, and they would not have won without those incorrect decisions. Essendon would not have won today without umpiring influence either.

Collingwood can most definitely take responsibility for putting themselves into a losing position by turning the ball over and again not being able to perform against lesser opponents. There is no way that Tarkyn Lockyer should have kicked to a contest with a one point lead and 30 seconds left on the clock, and I can't believe that an experienced player would do that. I don't understand how they didn't shut up shop and go into preservation mode.

Despite that, good teams find a way to win when they play poorly, and twice the umpires have prevented that from happening. They are having too much of an influence on matches, and unfortunately at the expense of Collingwood. I don't usually whinge about umpiring, and I didn't once last season, but it has become too much of an influencing issue now.

 

[Magpiemack]

I started this post so I'd like to finish it. On balance we can't blame the umpires because despite a couple of critical blues by them that ultimately cost us the game,we still were not good enough.

The Bombers wanted the ball more and despite the frustration expressed in my original post, that is more unacceptable to me than anything the umpires did, after all nothing can be done about the umpires, just ask Eddie!

 

[Lazar Vidovic]

Anthony Rocca's had to be a 50m penalty he kicked the ball away after running 10m after the free kick was paid. It was a no-brainer.

I been to many games this year and Collingwood supporter complain by far the most.

Rocca's potentially was a line ball decision and could have been paid or not, the reality is many decisions are line ball and Essendon could find decisions thoughout the game that affected whether they would have kicked a goal.

And finally could collingwood supporters please stop using the free kick count as evidence for bad umpiring the differential of free kicks is not in any way evidence of bad umpiring

 

[DoubleO7]

I been to many games this year and Collingwood supporter complain by far the most.

Collingwood receive the highest amount of free kicks against in the league for the past half a decade therefore giving us every right to complain about umpiring.

And finally could collingwood supporters please stop using the free kick count as evidence for bad umpiring the differential of free kicks is not in any way evidence of bad umpiring

Yes it is.

KissStephanie's post sums it up -

Rubbish. There was no way that it should have been 15 free kicks to 8 free kicks, and not only should Rocca's goal have stood, but it most definitely should not have been a free kick and a 50 metre penalty. Of course Essendon were desperate and wanted to win more, but that does not give the umpires the right to pay the touchy free kicks to Essendon and to overlook the touchy free kicks that didn't go to Collingwood.

 

[Pie Legend]

The umpires were gash today, but I think we should come to accept this. We wont ever get a good deal, or even a fair deal, from the umpires if Eddie comes out and bashes them midweek.

The dons wanted it more, and got the points.

 

[Scotland]

You got a better run than we did, that's something.

Re: the kick against Rocca - FFS. It's bad enough kicks are paid for any contact to the back, hands, arms, jumper anything in marking contests, but to penalise Rocca for winning a 1 on 1 wrestle makes a mockery of 'contact sport'. Rocca was essentially penalised for being stronger than his opponent, last I checked that wasn't actually an offence.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Luke Darcy, who is on the rules committee, said pretty much the same thing. Football is so friggin' lame these days.