eth-dog
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I think it's way too early to make that call. I like him, he's tidy with the gloves and definitely has the ability with the bat, but he's played 10 FC games and averaging 30
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That's why it's an unpopular opinion.
I dunno, I just feel like he's the most likely of the current cohort to be able to juggle both. There are several that are genuine bats that are capable with the gloves (like Gotch) and there are a couple that look like seriously good glovemen that aren't there with the bat (like Harper).
I just feel like he's the best equipped to handle both disciplines
Sam Whiteman goes alright with both the gloves and the bat.
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Australian Pace Bowler Pecking Order (when fit):
1. Mitchell Starc
2. Josh Hazlewood
3. Pat Cummins
4. Jackson Bird
5. James Pattinson
6. Chris Tremain
7. Joe Mennie
8. Chadd Sayers
9. Scott Boland
10. Kane Richardson
1. Mitchell Starc
2. Josh Hazlewood
3. Pat Cummins
4. Jackson Bird
5. James Pattinson
6. Chris Tremain
7. Joe Mennie
8. Chadd Sayers
9. Scott Boland
10. Kane Richardson
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Behrendorf is the one you're missing there - if he could get a good, injury-free run at things, he'd be in the top 5 as well.
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NCN as well, which is good because it gets Richardson and Boland off the list
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Joel Paris as well, couldn't tell you the last time he bowled though.
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As others have said, NCN and Behrendorff likely jump in to the 6 and 7 slots. Very odd exclusions. 9 and 10 just pulling the mickey, I'd have thought.
Not sure how you can argue Tremain and Mennie are ahead of Sayers in the pecking order given he made the squad ahead of them.
EDIT: Just realised what thread we are in - carry on. But my points remain.
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Given this is an "unpopular opinions" thread, I think he was giving his own view on the top 10.
Which, to be honest, I find a little bizarre because, despite the existence of live streams these days, I doubt anyone is watching that much Shield cricket to be able to truly, earnestly rate Tremain, Richardson et al.
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As others have said, NCN and Behrendorff likely jump in to the 6 and 7 slots. Very odd exclusions. 9 and 10 just pulling the mickey, I'd have thought.
Not sure how you can argue Tremain and Mennie are ahead of Sayers in the pecking order given he made the squad ahead of them.
EDIT: Just realised what thread we are in - carry on. But my points remain.
I'm just offering my opinion. Nothing to do with what CA thinks or who they select in the Test squads.
NCN and Behrendorff never seem to be fit enough for an extended period. I guess you could say the same for Pattinson, but we've seen what he can do at Test level.
Tremain and Mennie's respective Shield records over the past 2 1/2 seasons are as good or better than Sayers as well.
If we can't rate Tremain based on his Shield output (best strike rate of any bowler over the past 2 1/2 years), how can we rate anyone based on their Shield output?
eth-dog
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Sayers ahead of Mennie IMO and obviously the Behrendorff/NCN thing.
Mennie and Boland shouldn’t be anywhere near that list imo. Prime examples of why selectors are paid to sit and watch games rather than pick teams based off purely number of runs or wickets. Both are no where near international standard imo.
Richardson shouldn’t be on that list if we are talking about test cricket but jumps up to about 5/6 if we are talking about limited overs stuff.
I might be biased being a West Australian but imo NCN, Behrendorff and Paris are just as talented as Jackson Bird (I’d still select Bird first) just far more injury prone.
The way I see it the three blokes we have in the side atm are clearly the best three quicks in the country. Pattinson and Bird lead a pack of bowlers also containing NCN, Behrendorff, Paris, Tremain and Sayers. If we are forced to pick anyone else in a test match Lyon and the remaining two quicks will have to take 18 plus wickets for us to win the game.
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Bradesmaen
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Starc is an ordinary long form bowler who pads stats with tail end wickets and is rarely threatening to the top order.
That's hardly an unpopular opinion though, right?
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Meanwhile, in the real world, Starc has one of the best strike rates of any Test bowler over the past decade, and 45.06% of his Test wickets (73 of 162) have come against batsmen in positions 1-4 in the order.
He's also good for an early strike against the top order with the new ball.
Bradesmaen
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Meanwhile let's dig deeper into his stats against non s**t teams against pace (windies and Sri Lanka).
He leaks more than a 90 year old and strikes as often as the Sherminator
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His "leaks" equate to an extra run every 2-3 overs on average over someone like Hazelwood, at a far superior strike rate.
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And? He's still an ordinary bowler. Take out his tail Ender's.
Warne would be an ordinary bowler if you took out all his tail enders
eth-dog
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Don't bother with Brades. Once he's marked you as s**t you can't come off that list. Ever.
Mennie above Sayers is ridiculous
Mennie's selection in Tasmania last year is probably the worst test selection call of the last decade. Thats saying something.
Fair exaggeration.
Henriques - done little if anything to warrant a spot
Any one of half a dozen spinners - Krezja, Ritz, Cullen, Beer etc. none of whom did a thing to justify a spot.
Doolan, Quiney, Bailey, Maddinson etc.
How could 200 wickets at 26, and a call up to the test team, possibly make him worse than any of them?
eth-dog
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Henriques selection was fine. Better than Mennie's.
