Up the Arse! Goons Thread

[windyhill]

That's got nothing to do with it. We are currently 8 points behind 5th in the league. Man City has nothing to do with the situation we are in.

8 points behind 5th.

Just let that sink in.

And how far is second from first ?

 

[dirty2]

Agree should of left after the fa cup.... definitely should of left after we won the 2nd year in a row... me personally would of ****ed him off long time ago....

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

People that want him in are few and far between, but I have no sympathy for him as he should have known when it was time to walk away.

Would you walk away from a job you love and get paid well to do? All the while doing a reasonably successful job of running things, I mean Arsenal fans complained for a long time that we were good to watch but didn't win anything then all of a sudden we start winning but complain we're not good to watch. Which sure we should be both but you can't argue he hasn't delivered to a various degree. Now I personally like the majority of the fan base believe it is time to move on but it shouldn't be Wengers decision and it should be made by those who are suppose to be running this club, thats how truly successful clubs are run at least.

My problems with Wenger go far beyond his supposed lack of tactics which sure are lacking in certain games, my biggest issue is he went away from his ideals and we've become worse for it. We started signing players who didn't fit his system and this is why we've become so disjointed and ugly to watch. Give me the frustrating transfer windows where you're getting yourself excited over a Youssi Benayoun loan then buying average players like Perez and Welbeck who don't fit the way we want to play, one of those guys would have sufficed, zero need for both. He has made his job hard by signing players that don't suit his system and any tactics used to combat the opposition are less effective as a result of them being able to easily target our weaknesses and us playing catch up.

As for the rest of the season, play the ****ing kids. I would rather see the opposition make clowns out of Holding, Chambers and Marvopanos then watch Mustafi continually make a clown out of himself. Too many players are escaping criticism when in some cases they're as responsible for our results as Wenger is, stop playing those players and give the kids a chance. There is nothing to lose.

 

[GinTonic]

Kroenke must go. In todays football financial climate, his business model is outdated and sending us backwards. A quick google search showns all the clubs he owns are fairly average.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Would you walk away from a job you love and get paid well to do? All the while doing a reasonably successful job of running things, I mean Arsenal fans complained for a long time that we were good to watch but didn't win anything then all of a sudden we start winning but complain we're not good to watch. Which sure we should be both but you can't argue he hasn't delivered to a various degree. Now I personally like the majority of the fan base believe it is time to move on but it shouldn't be Wengers decision and it should be made by those who are suppose to be running this club, thats how truly successful clubs are run at least.

My problems with Wenger go far beyond his supposed lack of tactics which sure are lacking in certain games, my biggest issue is he went away from his ideals and we've become worse for it. We started signing players who didn't fit his system and this is why we've become so disjointed and ugly to watch. Give me the frustrating transfer windows where you're getting yourself excited over a Youssi Benayoun loan then buying average players like Perez and Welbeck who don't fit the way we want to play, one of those guys would have sufficed, zero need for both. He has made his job hard by signing players that don't suit his system and any tactics used to combat the opposition are less effective as a result of them being able to easily target our weaknesses and us playing catch up.

As for the rest of the season, play the ******* kids. I would rather see the opposition make clowns out of Holding, Chambers and Marvopanos then watch Mustafi continually make a clown out of himself. Too many players are escaping criticism when in some cases they're as responsible for our results as Wenger is, stop playing those players and give the kids a chance. There is nothing to lose.

This I wholeheartedly agree with, but we know our owner doesn't give a **** and our board are spineless with no clue.

 

[Cruyff14]

Mustafi on Kun, wtf was he trying to appeal?

 

[Latro]

Mustafi on Kun, wtf was he trying to appeal?

I have seen people think he was appealing for offside.

 

[glenferry23]

His arms went up straight away after feeling contact, it seemed to me he was pleading for obstruction or something.

 

[charcoalchicken]

That was such a comical goal to concede, mustafi just doesn't seem like he's good enough.

Xhaka has been a failure, rotate maitland-niles and elneny for the rest of the season and sell xhaka next window, buy a decent ****ing dm and another cm

 

[dirty2]

Maitland-niles has been good.. Wenger will change that

 

[NTRabbit]

Thread shared by Tayo, worth clicking and reading the whole thing, 40ish tweets

 

[kreglze]

Arsenal are looking into replacing Wenger at the end of the season and Monaco boss Leonardo Jardim, Manchester City assistant Mikel Arteta, Celtic manager Brendan Rodgers and Germany coach Joachim Low are some of the candidates being monitored. (Telegraph)

We have read all this before, but out of those 4 would defiantly look at Jardin.

Thread shared by Tayo, worth clicking and reading the whole thing, 40ish tweets

Such an interesting ready that.

 

[Latro]

Would rather Wenger sign an extension than sign Rodgers.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Would rather Wenger sign an extension than sign Rodgers.

I don't really rate Rodgers but I highly doubt he'd have us doing worse than Wenger has us doing now.

 

[glenferry23]

Surely not Rodgers.

Arteta would be a fantastic signing, for the second time.

 

[PendlePie]

Arteta isn't experienced enough, Henry even less so. Both shouldn't be options yet.

Simeone is the ideal candidate - aside from not playing the most attractive football. Perfect man to rebuild a rotten culture and instill some belief and cnt into the team.

Jardim or Sarri would be next. Jardim is a good operator and developer of talent, and promotes an attractive style. Sarri has been around a fair bit (15-20 different managerial jobs) but he's built a machine at Napoli. Both know how the modern game works.

Ancelotti is a stop-gap option. Not a bad one, but I'd prefer someone who's in for the long haul.

Rodgers - the less said here, the better.

 

[kreglze]

Viera could be another left field selection we could look at currently managing New York FC so has managerial experience behind him. Probably not the kind of experience Arsenal would be looking for.

 

[Shoei]

What is it with people wanting us to hire ex players with virtually no experience?

Arteta? Henry? Vieira? really? REALLY? come on now.

Arteta needs more time under Pep, if he had another 3 seasons or so then I wouldn't be against giving him a chance. He's talked about pretty highly but he shouldn't be rushed.

Henry has no experience at all. Vieira has some experience in the USA but has won f all. Wouldn't touch either of them without experience at lower European clubs before hand.

Rodgers and Low can both F off. Rodgers looks good now because he's manager of the biggest team in a one team league. Covers up how garbage his record at Liverpool was (50% WR). People will say "oh but he won manager of the year and Liverpool finished second in the league" yeah....purely on the back of Suarez going god mode for a season and carrying the team.

Low hasn't coached at a league level in 14 goddamn years and his record is abysmal too. Yeah he's done alright with Germany, but hey, it's a lot harder to mess up when you have access to literally all the best players from footballing mad nation of 90m people with a system designed and implemented to succeed at all levels like Germany has.

I would hate absolutely HATE to have any of the 5 above as manager next year.

We can offer to get the best managers in the world and there are numerous better options out there. There is no reason at all to take any of these guys.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Arteta isn't experienced enough, Henry even less so. Both shouldn't be options yet.

Simeone is the ideal candidate - aside from not playing the most attractive football. Perfect man to rebuild a rotten culture and instill some belief and cnt into the team.

Jardim or Sarri would be next. Jardim is a good operator and developer of talent, and promotes an attractive style. Sarri has been around a fair bit (15-20 different managerial jobs) but he's built a machine at Napoli. Both know how the modern game works.

Ancelotti is a stop-gap option. Not a bad one, but I'd prefer someone who's in for the long haul.

Rodgers - the less said here, the better.

The three that you listed are pretty much my top 3 in that order also.

 

[Hawks1994]

Whomever the overtaking manager will be (if it actually happens in our lifetime...) I'm already feeling sorry for them

The way I see it is the club is rotting from the board down and the only reason Wenger has held on this long is because he is bumbuddies with all the head-honchos

Whoever takes over the managerial duties will have to deal with horrid mismanagement from his superiors and as long they are still in power, we might be seeing a revolving door of managers at Arsenal for a while

The onfield performances are just in the okay region lately but the club is falling apart from the inside out. Prepare for some short term pain

 

[Shoei]

Problem is we'll dally around uming and arrring over Wenger and his final year..meanwhile Chelsea will probably sack Conte then go after Jardim/Simone/Sarri etc etc and we'll be left appointing Fam Sam.

I'd love someone like Ancelotti to come in for a couple of years and have Arteta learn under both Pep and Ancelotti so he sees how two completely different managers work.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

What is it with people wanting us to hire ex players with virtually no experience?

Arteta? Henry? Vieira? really? REALLY? come on now.

Arteta needs more time under Pep, if he had another 3 seasons or so then I wouldn't be against giving him a chance. He's talked about pretty highly but he shouldn't be rushed.

How much time does he need? He already has two seasons under his belt with Pep whilst spending the last two years of his Arsenal career in more of a coaching role than playing role given he couldn't get on the pitch. He has a wealth of footballing experience having played in Spain, France, Scotland and England so he can speak a number of languages and has played in different systems. Tactically speaking I have no doubt that right now he is ready and the question mark regarding his ability to manage is how he handles pressure, but unless he leaves Pep/City to manage a smaller team that question mark will remain regardless of how long he spends being Peps right hand man. I'm very confident that he is ready to manage and that we should be ones to take the risk on him, while the people we now have working in the background on transfers should also aid in his potential introduction to being manager.

Agree on Henry and Vieira, especially Henry who talks a lot of nonsense as a so called tactical expert and doesn't have the obsession that is required for elite managers. Vieira I don't think is good enough and seems more suited to being an assistant for a successful team.

Elsewhere I like both Jardim and Sarri. Jardim has done an excellent job at Monaco in both winning and developing and plays a nice style, I do have a few queries about his ability to be able to manage in the premier league but regardless is an excellent option. Sarri doesn't seem obtainable given how difficult Napoli are to negotiate (don't know his contract situation). What I love about Sarri is wants his team to play a certain way and sticks to it, if you can't pass you don't play.

 

[Shoei]

How much time does he need? He already has two seasons under his belt with Pep whilst spending the last two years of his Arsenal career in more of a coaching role than playing role given he couldn't get on the pitch. He has a wealth of footballing experience having played in Spain, France, Scotland and England so he can speak a number of languages and has played in different systems. Tactically speaking I have no doubt that right now he is ready and the question mark regarding his ability to manage is how he handles pressure, but unless he leaves Pep/City to manage a smaller team that question mark will remain regardless of how long he spends being Peps right hand man. I'm very confident that he is ready to manage and that we should be ones to take the risk on him, while the people we now have working in the background on transfers should also aid in his potential introduction to being manager.

Ideally he'd have 2-3 seasons as an assistant then another couple at a smaller club to see what he can do.

Call me old fashioned but i believe managers need to cut their teeth in lesser roles before taking on the big gigs.

I, like you, believe Arteta has what it takes to be a top manager one day but lets be honest, if he wasn't an ex-Arsenal player there is no way he'd be in consideration.

At Arsenal whoever comes in will be stepping in to a void left by someone with 30+ years managerial experience. Whatever happens when Wenger leaves i'm firmly of the opinion that the next manager needs to be able to hit the ground running and produce the results.

We don't have the luxury of being Man United, ****ing up the post Ferguson appointments but being so bloated with cash they can afford to spend silly money to stay competitive. We've already fallen way off the pace and i don't think straight after Wenger is the time to experiment with a rookie manager; We've got Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea, City and United pulling away from us. We need a manager that has shown they can compete from day one.

Getting the post Wenger appointment right is critical.

 

[glenferry23]

As nice as it is to speculate who th perhaps next manager will be, the reality is Wenger will continue on. He always goes on about honouring his contracts etc, which takes him to June 2019.

And from there, there’s also the genuine possibility he extends again.

 

[andana]

Arsenal have recorded a £25.1m profit after player sales eased the cost of missing out on the Champions League

Arsenal chairman Sir Chips Keswick conceded that "this has not been the easiest of campaigns", and said the club must "spend effectively" as they battle inflated transfer fees, wages and agent payments, despite confirming that Arsenal Holdings plc has cash reserves of £137.6m - up £37.1m on their 2016 results.

Man City have spent more in 21 months than Arsenal has in 21 years.