Upcoming draft and Past drafts

[Ricky_15]

I have been looking at some past drafts and our picks and i feel abit sick after seeing some of our disgraceful picks.

2001: Luke Molan pick 9, Steve Armstrong 25 , Aaron Rogers 26 ( ALL DISGRACEFUL PICKS)


2002: Daniel Bell pick 14, Nick Smith pick 15,
2004:Lydnen Dunn pick 15

2006: Frawley pick 12 ( i know youll say give him time but 2 years into his career DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!)

We have to draft better this year and not waste our picks as we have done over the last few years.

Im just hoping we pick up watts and cornelius for this upcoming draft. 2 key forwards with loads of potential which will keep players like newton from coming into the side.

Who does everyone else think we should take in the draft this year?

 

[McLean_4_Captain]

This didn't need it's own thread. Or can we just maybe sticky 1 draft thread and merge the others all together

 

[Ricky_15]

sorry about that mate, i just felt like vomiting after looking at some of our picks

never realised they were so ****ing bad!

 

[TelkoTheGreat]

don't forget who we selected at pick 11 in the 96 draft

 

[McLean_4_Captain]

sorry about that mate, i just felt like vomiting after looking at some of our picks

never realised they were so ****ing bad!

There's already a few threads on the draft, didn't think this was worth another. Same point has been made a few times.

Yes some of our picks are bad, but almost every club has poor early picks at some stage. Look at Collingwood, who are in a pretty decent position this year. They've got some shocking top 30 picks since the super draft (where you started, 2001).

2001 - pick 11 richard cole, pick 27 tom davidson
2002 - pick 21 Bo Nixon, pick 29 Luke Shackleton
2003 - pick 17 Billy Morrison
2004 - pick 10 Chris Egan (just delisted)
2005 - pick 21 Danny Stanley

Early draft picks are important, but there's never any guarantees just a better chance that they'll make it.

 

[master bate]

I have been looking at some past drafts and our picks and i feel abit sick after seeing some of our disgraceful picks.

2001: Luke Molan pick 9, Steve Armstrong 25 , Aaron Rogers 26 ( ALL DISGRACEFUL PICKS) Molan was wrong but his knees went which didn't help, Armstrong could play and maybe Bali had an effect on him, Rogers no excuse.


2002: Daniel Bell pick 14, Nick Smith pick 15,
2004:Lydnen Dunn pick 15 Still think Bell will be good, Smith dodgy, not giving up on Dunn but he can have a career, Bate the pick in front of him and he is as good as pick 14's get

2006: Frawley pick 12 ( i know youll say give him time but 2 years into his career DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!) Not every one can be Garland, and to say Frawley is done nothing means you missed alot of this and last season, is kicking sucks, but his speed over 20m is great, he has the potential to become a weapon.

We have to draft better this year and not waste our picks as we have done over the last few years. This statement is just a load of crap, our drafting record from 2003 on is very good, we are in this position because of our drafting from 2001 to 2002 has left us with only Miller. That combined with trying for flags in 2005-7 when we off the pace.

Im just hoping we pick up watts and cornelius for this upcoming draft. 2 key forwards with loads of potential which will keep players like newton from coming into the side. Dumb statement, you want to draft players to keep other players out of the side. I want Newton to kick 40 goals next year, but if he's not good enough thats fine. However I do want to draft young forwards and I watched Cornelius play in the STFL grand final, impressive, but maybe because he was wearing a Magpie jumper as he tore a Demon team (Garland's team as well) apart I didn't like him. A bit arrogant a wore a long sleeve jumper on a warm day, call me old fashioned but I thought he was a tosser.

Who does everyone else think we should take in the draft this year?

 

[Clean Heels]

My Picks go as follows..

Number 1 - Jack Watts : Excellent mover, covers the ground with ease, great hands for a tall lad - former BBall point guard, looks very very good hand/eye co-ordination, also very evasive, clear top pick for mine.

Number 17 - Sam Blease : Quick, skillful, will add pace - run and carry to our side, that desperately need this. Has a lot of scope for improvement, does go missing in games - but no many youngsters dont at some point.
Very doubtful he will last to this pick

Sam Wright : Daisy look alike, very skillful, very good below his knee, excellent reader of the play, unselfish - and most of all would compliment Watts in the future.

Number 19 - Tom Rockcliff : Elusive type of player, likely to pop up and kick goes in succession - when needed, has been likened to Stevie J, say no more, would also compliment Watts in yrs to come, aswell as running through the midfield to add a touch of flair.

Massive emphasis of building a potentially lethal forward line, there will be a lot of mids in next yrs draft, ie : Skully, Priest..

 

[booshboy]

My Picks go as follows..

Number 1 - Jack Watts : Excellent mover, covers the ground with ease, great hands for a tall lad - former BBall point guard, looks very very good hand/eye co-ordination, also very evasive, clear top pick for mine.

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yeah i know someone who played BBall with him said he has a massive leap on him. Maybe could some some screammerrsss from him, that'd be nice to see

 

[Bartram_Class]

Pick 1 - Naitanui.

Doesn't matter who we pick after that, as long as they can run like the wind and kick the ball properly.

 

[Ricky_15]

2002: Daniel Bell pick 14, Nick Smith pick 15,
2004:Lydnen Dunn pick 15 Still think Bell will be good, Smith dodgy, not giving up on Dunn but he can have a career, Bate the pick in front of him and he is as good as pick 14's get

2006: Frawley pick 12 ( i know youll say give him time but 2 years into his career DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!) Not every one can be Garland, and to say Frawley is done nothing means you missed alot of this and last season, is kicking sucks, but his speed over 20m is great, he has the potential to become a weapon.

I dont understand how people can still have faith in daniel bell he was drafted in 2002 and i wont say done nothing. but has done very little and for a guy who will be coming into his 7th season playing professional football he has done very little, especially for a bloke that was a first round pick.

secondly. Frawley was pick 12 and is nowhere near where stef martin, matt warnock and colin garland are at. I really hope that he does come good but apart from the game against carlton in his first season where he kept waite to 1 goal he has not done a whole lot in my eyes.

Master bate you said ive missed alot of frawley this season, didnt miss a melbourne game this year in mebourne and i failed to see anything to impressive.

 

[Dez!]

Pick 1 - Naitanui.

Doesn't matter who we pick after that, as long as they can run like the wind and kick the ball properly.

Um you misspelled Watts there BC.

 

[Beats]

My Picks go as follows..

Number 1 - Jack Watts : Excellent mover, covers the ground with ease, great hands for a tall lad - former BBall point guard, looks very very good hand/eye co-ordination, also very evasive, clear top pick for mine.

Number 17 - Sam Blease : Quick, skillful, will add pace - run and carry to our side, that desperately need this. Has a lot of scope for improvement, does go missing in games - but no many youngsters dont at some point.
Very doubtful he will last to this pick

Sam Wright : Daisy look alike, very skillful, very good below his knee, excellent reader of the play, unselfish - and most of all would compliment Watts in the future.

Number 19 - Tom Rockcliff : Elusive type of player, likely to pop up and kick goes in succession - when needed, has been likened to Stevie J, say no more, would also compliment Watts in yrs to come, aswell as running through the midfield to add a touch of flair.

Massive emphasis of building a potentially lethal forward line, there will be a lot of mids in next yrs draft, ie : Skully, Priest..

Watts, Rich and Nait, doesn't matter who we pick at 1 as long as it's one of those 3.
Not sure if Sam Blease will be there at 17, but if he is we will definitely take him.
Sam Wright and Tom Rockliff are both a good chance to be there at our next pick, and 17/19 is much to high for them, we also have players of their type in Wona and Maric etc.

I'm interested as to what footy you have seen? I'm thinking you saw the final on Friday and have not seen much else, or have a short term memory...

And what makes you say there will be a lot of mids next year? You've given two names, Scully will be very good and top 5 next year but Priest is very unlikely to be drafted, IIRC he's 172 cm, and unless he grows at least 6 cms theres not a place in today's game for him, no matter how good he is.

I dont understand how people can still have faith in daniel bell he was drafted in 2002 and i wont say done nothing. but has done very little and for a guy who will be coming into his 7th season playing professional football he has done very little, especially for a bloke that was a first round pick.

secondly. Frawley was pick 12 and is nowhere near where stef martin, matt warnock and colin garland are at. I really hope that he does come good but apart from the game against carlton in his first season where he kept waite to 1 goal he has not done a whole lot in my eyes.

Master bate you said ive missed alot of frawley this season, didnt miss a melbourne game this year in mebourne and i failed to see anything to impressive.

On Bell, next year is make or break for him, his 07 season was fantastic, his 08 was horrible, his 09 is potentially his last.

On Frawley you are being very unfair, considering he is 19, Martin is 2 years his senior and Matt Warnock is 5 years his senior.
Ok let's flip this on its head, you say he hasn't done anything in your eyes, when was the last time he has been beaten by his player? Disregard his disposal, which is as much our forward lines fault as it is his( as he has nothing to kick to once he leaves our D50) what do you expect him, a KP player in his 2nd season, to have done so far in his career?

Of the other KP's so far from that draft of KP's picked before him Gumbleton, Thorp, Reid and Everitt and possibly Hansen have shown less than him. Of the Kp's picked after him only Garland, Riedwolt and Tippett have done more than him, he is at least on a level if not better/ has done more than the other KP's his own age in Sellar, Mitch Brown, Dawes, Mackenzie, Hawkins and you could possibly throw in Westhoff after this year.

An ideal draft for me goes ---
#1 - Nicholas Naitanui - we all know about him
#17 - Lewis Johnston / Aaron Cornelius - if Watts is to nominate and we don't pick him, it is likely that at least one of these very very good KPF's will drop through to us.
#19 - Steven Hill/ Sam Blease/ Tom Swift - We can probably afford a speculative pick here, and a lightning fast mid or someone who has the potential for massive numbers is something we could use.
#35 - Paul Cahill/ Mitch Brown - Another KPF with the potential for a lot of upside is probably the go here.
#51 - Rory Sloane/ Jamie Sheahan/ Jay Shannon - A replacement for Whelan is needed, one of thse guys should be able to replace him.

 

[Clean Heels]

Nah Beats ive seen as much as I couldve this yr, I was actually leaning towards blokes like Shoenmakers, Walters, Heyne..

But some of the guys I seen in the TAC were as impressive as above mentioned players, id jump at taking Heyne at 17, just doubt he would be there..

If a potential top 10 player slides, then obviously id take them before Wright or Rockcliff, id like to think Tom Swift could get to us at 17 aswell, agree Wright will go later on than I had him down for, but I think Rockcliff will go between 15-25, I dont mind Tapscott from SA aswell, similar type.

 

[Woewooden Spoon08]

Um you misspelled Watts there BC.

Very Funny Dez!! i like it.

 

[McLean_4_Captain]

Watts, Rich and Nait, doesn't matter who we pick at 1 as long as it's one of those 3.
Not sure if Sam Blease will be there at 17, but if he is we will definitely take him.
Sam Wright and Tom Rockliff are both a good chance to be there at our next pick, and 17/19 is much to high for them, we also have players of their type in Wona and Maric etc.

I'm interested as to what footy you have seen? I'm thinking you saw the final on Friday and have not seen much else, or have a short term memory...

I'm not making any assumptions, but i agree those selection seem like they've been made by someone who became an expert after watching Foxtel friday afternoon.

Blease is unlikely to be available at pick 17, but could be. The fact that we're discussing a midfielder of this quality being a possibly available at pick 17 goes to show the midfield depth of this years draft.

I rate Rockliff pretty highly, but he's not worth an early 2nd round pick. Despite playing in the middle in the TAC, i wouldn't draft him thinking he'll being capable of that at AFL level, he'll be a pocket or flanker. Wright is every chance to be available at pick 51, i wouldn't even use pick 35 on him.

Don't mind your picks Beats, i'd preferr Watts but i like them none the less. I wouldn't expect Johnston to still be available at pick 17. But we do need to draft at least 2 KP forwards, if not 3.

 

[Clean Heels]

Yeah, was supposed to put Wright as pick 35, still hoping Shoenmakers
can last to that pick aswell..

With all my excitement for Blease and Rockcliff, ive overlooked Stephen Hill - not sure if he will be there by that pick, id take him over Blease aswell, we could do with his run and carry, break some lines and rebound out of the backline, would compliment Garland very well..

If we had to pick Blease or Hill for 17, which way would others go?? - as WC would certainly take Hill with the next pick..

I know very little about Tom Swift, other than he has been injured - and was rated top 5 before that..

Anyone know much about this lad?

 

[Headless]

MELBOURNEfc DRAFTS SINCE 1998

1998:
Pick #13 - Chris Lamb (Brett Burton #16, David Wojcinski #24, Tyson Stenglein #29, Craig Bolton #33, Brendan Fevola #38, Heath Scotland #44, Andrew Embley #57)

Pick #60 - Luke Speers (nobody better available)

Pick #72 - Luke Taylor (nobody better available)

1999:
Pick #19 - Brad Green (nobody better available)

Pick #20 - Paul Wheatley (Paul Chapman #31, Daniel Giansiracusa #32, Leon Davis #34, Mitch Hahn #37, Cameron Ling #38, David Hille #40)

Pick #42 - Michael J. Clark (Lindsay Gilbee #43, Corey Enright #47, Chance Bateman #48)

Pick #50 - Matthew Whelan (Ryan O'Keefe #56)

Pick #63 - Shannon O'Brien (nobody better available)

Pick #64 - Cameron Bruce (nobody better available)

2000:
Pick #16 - Scott Thompson (Daniel Kerr #18, Kane Cornes #20, Drew Petrie #23, Adam McPhee #39, Daniel Pratt #42, Mark Williams #43, Domenic Cassisi #50, Amon Buchanan #52, Chris Newman #55, Daniel Cross #56)

Pick #62 - Daniel Breese (Graham Johncock #67)

Pick #73 - Ross Funcke (nobody better available)

2001:
Pick #9 - Luke Molan (Brent Reilly #12, Nick Dal Santo #13, Rick Ladson #16, James Kelly #17, Jason Gram #19, Matt Maguire #21, Steve Johnson #24)

Pick #25 - Steven Armstrong (nobody better available)

Pick #26 - Aaron Rogers (Lewis Roberts-Thompson #29, Campbell Brown #32, David Rodan #33, Sam Mitchell #36, Leigh Montagna #37, Ash Hansen #38, Jarrad Waite #46, Andrew Welsh #47)

Pick #55 - Brad Miller (Paul Medhurst #56, Dane Swan #58, Adam Schneider #60, Brian Lake #71)

2002:
Pick #14 - Daniel Bell (nobody better available)

Pick #15 - Nicholas Smith (Stephen Gilham #16, Troy Selwood #19, Will Minson #20, Tom Lonergan #23, Paul Johnson #24)

Pick #26 - Jared Rivers (nobody better available)

Pick #39 - Gary Moorcroft (Kade Simpson #45, Leigh Fisher #46, Tim Boyle #51, Adam Selwood #53)

Pick #54 - Cameron Hunter (Ryan Crowley #55, Robert Shirley #56, Nick Malceski #64)

Pick #66 - Ryan Ferguson (Brad Fisher #72)

2003:
Pick #3 - Colin Sylvia (Brent Stanton #13, Troy Chaplin #15, Brad Symes #30, Jed Adcock #33)

Pick #5 - Brock McLean (nobody better available)

Pick #36 - Chris A. Johnson - F/S (Amon Buchanan #45, Sam Fisher #55, Michael Rischitelli (#61)

2004:
Pick #13 - Matthew Bate (Angus Monfries #14)

Pick #15 - Lynden Dunn (Sean Rusling #23, Nathan Van Berlo #24, Matt Rosa #29, Jarred Moore #31, Brent Prismall #32, Mark LeCras #37, Travis Cloke #39, Ivan Maric #40, Jesse W. Smith #41)

Pick #43 - Michael Newton (Mitch Morton #44, Justin Sherman #45, Simon Taylor #53, Stephen Tiller #54, Chris Knights #56, Matthew Egan #62, Daniel Pratt #74

2005:
Pick #12 - Nathan Jones (Grant Birchall #14, Cleve Hughes #24, Garrick Ibbotson #26, Ben McKinley #29, Bernie Vince #32, John Anthony #37, Robert Warnock #42, Alipate Carlile #44, Ryan Gamble #47

Pick #53 - Simon Buckley (Joel Patfull #56)

Pick #60 - Clint Bartram (Matthew Stokes #61)

2006:
Pick #12 - James Frawley (Jack Riewoldt #13, James Sellar #14, Gavin Urquhart #21, Brent Renouf #24)

Pick #30 - Ricky Petterd (Kurt Tippett #32, Jarryd Morton #33, Alwyn Davey #36, Bachar Houli #42, Kyle Reimers #47)

Pick #46 - Colin Garland (nobody better available)

Pick #62 - Isack Weetra (Tyson Goldsack #63, Nick Gill #64, Justin Westhoff #71, Aaron Edwards #82, David Rodan #86)

2007:
Pick #4 - Cale Morton - too soon to tell

Pick #14 - Jack Grimes - too soon to tell

Pick #21 - Addam Maric - too soon to tell

Pick #53 - Kyle Cheney - too soon to tell

Pick #66 - Tom McNamara - too soon to tell

 

[master bate]

Did you enjoy wasting your time Headless!!!

It's not that bad a drafting record, hindsight is always 20-20. We were let down between 2000 and 2002, but after that we have been good. Miller was the only player who played well for us this year from those drafts, and those guys are 24-26 so in a footballers prime, and we had 1 of them, it wasn't good enough. Although we lost Scotty Thompson, who is arguably a superior footballer than all those blokes you mentioned besides Kerr.

Next year when Rivers and Bell are back better than ever and I'm confident if they are injury free they will be, then we will have 3, and guys like PJ, Jamar, McLean, Moloney, Sylvia and CJ all put some good games together this year, and besides McLean and Moloney who got injured they had career best seasons. As blokes start to reach 23-25 they go from playing some good games to being consistent performers, they have to or they will be delisted. The group up to 2006 draft won't win any flags, thats what the 2007 and beyond talent is for, but there is some quality there.

Also how dare you suggest Monfries would have been a better pick up than Bate!

And I might start another thread, but between what period did we not take rookies (or only took 1), because I think that hurt us more than people might think. You can get a couple of good depth players a year on a rookie list, and the occasional star every few years. It might have been handy to have a couple more Aaron Davey's, Aussie Wona's running around. Warnock hasn't been too bad either. Althought I remember Bode, Van Shaik, Gianfagna and a few other failures.

 

[Headless]

Did you enjoy wasting your time Headless!!! (1)

It's not that bad a drafting record, hindsight is always 20-20. We were let down between 2000 and 2002, but after that we have been good. (2) Miller was the only player who played well for us this year from those drafts, and those guys are 24-26 so in a footballers prime, and we had 1 of them, it wasn't good enough. Although we lost Scotty Thompson, who is arguably a superior footballer than all those blokes you mentioned besides Kerr. (3)

Next year when Rivers and Bell are back better than ever and I'm confident if they are injury free they will be, then we will have 3, and guys like PJ, Jamar, McLean, Moloney, Sylvia and CJ all put some good games together this year, and besides McLean and Moloney who got injured they had career best seasons. As blokes start to reach 23-25 they go from playing some good games to being consistent performers, they have to or they will be delisted. The group up to 2006 draft won't win any flags, thats what the 2007 and beyond talent is for, but there is some quality there.

Also how dare you suggest Monfries would have been a better pick up than Bate! (4)

And I might start another thread, but between what period did we not take rookies (or only took 1), because I think that hurt us more than people might think. You can get a couple of good depth players a year on a rookie list, and the occasional star every few years. It might have been handy to have a couple more Aaron Davey's, Aussie Wona's running around. Warnock hasn't been too bad either. Althought I remember Bode, Van Shaik, Gianfagna and a few other failures.

(1) - Ehehehe, nah mate, took like 10 minutes. Wikipedia is .
(2) - Agreed, 2000-2002 were shockers, really. When did CAC arrive at the Dees?
(3) - They were just the solid players after Thompson and before our next pick, to show who else was in that draft
(4) - See 3.

 

[Dez!]

OK how the hell can say that Matthew Stokes is better than Bartram? Sure Bartram had a poor season but people really are stupid if they are riding a young bloke off who has come back from almost a year off footy and then they expect him to play the sort of football he did in 06.

 

[Headless]

(3) - They were just the solid players after Thompson and before our next pick, to show who else was in that draft
(4) - See 3.

Never said anything about the players in brackets being better than the players we picked.

 

[McLean_4_Captain]

It's not that bad a drafting record, hindsight is always 20-20. We were let down between 2000 and 2002, but after that we have been good. Miller was the only player who played well for us this year from those drafts, and those guys are 24-26 so in a footballers prime, and we had 1 of them, it wasn't good enough. Although we lost Scotty Thompson, who is arguably a superior footballer than all those blokes you mentioned besides Kerr.

A big reason i think we're on the bottom now can be traced directly to poor drafting in 2001.

2000 doesn't really count because we did well with Thompson and were unlucky to lose him, but because we did well we didn't have any other early picks. 2002 we did badly, but the draft was weak and the players taken after ours wouldn't make us much better.

It all points to f__king up in the 2001 superdraft, the best draft there has ever been to date, and we have 4th round pick to show for it still on our list (miler), when really these players should be our clubs leaders, like 3 of the top 4 clubs below.

Look at the other clubs being currently anchored by players from the 2001 draft. Hawthorn have Mitchell & Hodge, Geelong have Bartel, Ablett SJ, & Kelly, Judd's dragging along Carlton, St Kilda have Dal Santo, Ball, Gram, McGuire.

They're calling this year the best draft since 2001, so we've got to get it right, (Don't turn this into another Watts/Naitanui debate) we can't expect no better players to come out of later picks then ours, but we really need our first 3 picks to be 200+ gamers

 

[ExTasDeeMan]

I don't think that this draft is the best since 2001, its merely highlighted because of the gaycoast threat to picks.

As far as this thread goes, its hard to tell who will be a great player and who won't. Add to that injuries and club culture. IMO Chapman and Ling might well have been bit players at other clubs, but Geelong really fostered them really well.

 

[Bails2008]

We can look back all we like. We fell into a trap of trying to draft to need rather than choosing the best players available. There was a perception when we were succesful in the start of the decade that we lacked 2 factors to win a premiership 1. A decent spine 2. Hardness/toughness. We looked to draft to fill holes and it went pair shaped.

What do we need to do moving forward. I feel our recent drafting has improved and we have a young core that can be really exciting when/if we can draft some elite A grade calibre players to compliment them

We need IMO
- Players who can use the ball
- Physical, hungry hard at it type players (in the same mold as Hawthorn)
- Key position players (Captain obvious I know)
-Players who can break lines

Blease if available would be perfect but a player people have not mentioned is Zakharis. Every time I watch him I think 200 game player. Great ball user, hard at the football great size for a midfielder. Mature body who could make an immediate impact. According to those in the know a terrific leader as well. Reminds me a lot of the Coreys from Geelong. I think would be a great compliment to Mclean, Grimes, Morton, Jones Maric. We need midfielders who can hit forward targets consistently. He would be available I think at 17/19

 

[McLean_4_Captain]

Blease if available would be perfect but a player people have not mentioned is Zakharis. Every time I watch him I think 200 game player. Great ball user, hard at the football great size for a midfielder. Mature body who could make an immediate impact. According to those in the know a terrific leader as well. Reminds me a lot of the Coreys from Geelong. I think would be a great compliment to Mclean, Grimes, Morton, Jones Maric. We need midfielders who can hit forward targets consistently. He would be available I think at 17/19

I think you mean Zaharakis or is there a kid named Zak Harris that i've never heard of?

And he's been mentioned plenty of times in multiple threads as an option for pick 17/19 if available.