USA US Dems in 2024 and beyond

[spinynorman]

Once you’ve got the pro wrestling fans onside you can do and say any old shit because a lot of them really don’t think too much about whether what they’re watching might be fake.

You’re too hard on wrestling fans!

 

[CM86]

You’re too hard on wrestling fans!

How do you even find this shit?
How insanely spiteful is your algorithm?

 

[spinynorman]

How do you even find this shit?
How insanely spiteful is your algorithm?

What? I like Zohran. I like AEW. I know bad faith reading into things that aren’t there is your gimmick but even by your standards you’re reaching here.

 

[Spearman]

Democrats have racked up election wins across America – but they would do well not to misread the results

Zohran Mamdani’s victory in New York and gubernatorial wins in Virginia and New Jersey have given Democrats a night better than they dared hope for

www.theguardian.com

yep, hoping and praying the DNC don't eff this up. Let the new generation cook.

 

[happy_eagle]

Mayor Pete is not the future. Yes he can go on Fox News and communicate very well, but at the end of the day he is just another establishment hack and former McKinsey consultant.



Refuses to acknowledge the clear standout winner in Zohran, because his donors and owners won't let him.

 

[spinynorman]

Mayor Pete is not the future. Yes he can go on Fox News and communicate very well, but at the end of the day he is just another establishment hack and former McKinsey consultant.



Refuses to acknowledge the clear standout winner in Zohran, because his donors and owners won't let him.

It’s a bold strategy - let’s pretend New York City doesn’t exist!

 

[Saint]

Haha. They're not even pretending they're progressive any more. They're so petrified of the Billionaire donors taking their money away.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Haha. They're not even pretending they're progressive any more. They're so petrified of the Billionaire donors taking their money away.

Which is exactly how the plutocrat class wants it.

 

[happy_eagle]

Haha. They're not even pretending they're progressive any more. They're so petrified of the Billionaire donors taking their money away.

I'm sure they will fail to listen again and we will see another milquetoast corporate democrat get the nomination in 2028.

 

[Saint]

I'm sure they will fail to listen again and we will see another milquetoast corporate democrat get the nomination in 2028.

And win the next election, achieve nothing because they want to undo GOP actions but their donors won't let them do anything progressive. Then as Cost of Living continues to increase and the Dems prove ineffective, the voters will be enticed by GOP promises to get rid of immigrants who are draining the country.

At best, the Democrats will just not make it worse.

 

[spinynorman]

I'm sure they will fail to listen again and we will see another milquetoast corporate democrat get the nomination in 2028.

Certainly the results this week saw a lot of framing of New York and California as the two big centres of anti-Trumpism, AOC and Gruesome Gavin. Let's hope we finally get a good result from the primaries and they don't again choose a deeply unpopular candidate.

 

[Saint]

Certainly the results this week saw a lot of framing of New York and California as the two big centres of anti-Trumpism, AOC and Gruesome Gavin. Let's hope we finally get a good result from the primaries and they don't again choose a deeply unpopular candidate.

It's the policies which are the problem, not the candidates.

The pro-genocide policies cost them states in the Mid-West.
The pro-billionaire policies cost them states like PA and Ohio.

If you take pro-billionaire policies to an election, don't then complain about low voter turnout.

"We offered them nothing and they didn't bother to turn up to take it" seems to be the Dems approach to voters.

 

[spinynorman]

It's the policies which are the problem, not the candidates.

The pro-genocide policies cost them states in the Mid-West.
The pro-billionaire policies cost them states like PA and Ohio.

If you take pro-billionaire policies to an election, don't then complain about low voter turnout.

"We offered them nothing and they didn't bother to turn up to take it" seems to be the Dems approach to voters.

Sure, but it's the beliefs (or policies) of those candidates. Newsom is a Silicon Valley stooge who as Governor has repeatedly been an ally of the corporate class at the expense of the labour movement. Which is also true of Hillary, Biden and Kamala. That's not true of AOC.

 

[Saint]

Sure, but it's the beliefs (or policies) of those candidates. Newsom is a Silicon Valley stooge who as Governor has repeatedly been an ally of the corporate class at the expense of the labour movement. Which is also true of Hillary, Biden and Kamala. That's not true of AOC.

AOC isn't going to win the nomination. Uppity young Puerto Rican woman? The billionaires will pour money into Newsom who has done enough with the Memes to convince younger people he's not in the pocket of billionaires (but he is)

 

[IKnowtheDog]

It's the policies which are the problem, not the candidates.

The pro-genocide policies cost them states in the Mid-West.
The pro-billionaire policies cost them states like PA and Ohio.

If you take pro-billionaire policies to an election, don't then complain about low voter turnout.

"We offered them nothing and they didn't bother to turn up to take it" seems to be the Dems approach to voters.

Yet allow the Republicans with similar views and worse to walk in an election. Well thought out Dem voters, well thought out.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

I don't know what the future holds for the democrats because no matter what dodgy stuff the Republicans do, the voters seem ok with it.

I can understand voters not going with Hillary, but the fact █████ could do what he did in his first term and suffer no consequence is amazing. I hate to think what was going through Democrat headquarters when the polling showed a massive turn around for █████ v Biden. I don't know how you can counter it.

Democrats strategy the whole way through was flawed. IMO;

• They didn't push social media like █████ did.
• They waited way too long to push a guy out who was clearly not physically and mentally able to compete with █████.
• The above put time pressure on them which means they didn't hold a primary to select the right candidate. They just pushed Harris through who had Biden's taint.
• They didn't run on policy that was the major concerns of voters like █████ did. Economy & Illegal migration etc.

I think the reasons why the Dems faulted are pretty obvious, they just need to accept and learn from it for next time.

 

[IKnowtheDog]

Were there issues with the Democrats campaign yes. But I’m sorry when you’re opponent is a guy like █████, who even within Republicans went from ‘never again’ to ‘Lord and Saviour’. That tells you how stupid the electorate is.

Similar to Cuomo and his management of Covid. If he’d got in after being connected to Granny killings, that’s the electorate telling you where things stand.

 

[Saint]

Democrats strategy the whole way through was flawed. IMO;

• They didn't push social media like █████ did.
• They waited way too long to push a guy out who was clearly not physically and mentally able to compete with █████.
• The above put time pressure on them which means they didn't hold a primary to select the right candidate. They just pushed Harris through who had Biden's taint.
• They didn't run on policy that was the major concerns of voters like █████ did. Economy & Illegal migration etc.

I think the reasons why the Dems faulted are pretty obvious, they just need to accept and learn from it for next time.

Mamdani ran, as an anti-Israel non-Christian young person.

And why did he win?

He had solutions for cost of living crisis.

Why did the Dems not support him? They don't support lowering the cost of living.

█████ had "solutions" for the CoL crisis too. They haven't worked, but he tried something and it won him a second election even though everyone knew how bad he was, they still thought it was better than the Democrats "try-nothing, nothing is wrong" approach. The Democrats have given up on good policy. They're just happy to get elected every time the bad GOP policies fail.

 

[Saint]

Were there issues with the Democrats campaign yes. But I’m sorry when you’re opponent is a guy like █████, who even within Republicans went from ‘never again’ to ‘Lord and Saviour’. That tells you how stupid the electorate is.

Similar to Cuomo and his management of Covid. If he’d got in after being connected to Granny killings, that’s the electorate telling you where things stand.

Name one positive Democrat policy from 2024 election.

 

[IKnowtheDog]

Name one positive Democrat policy from 2024 election.

I can’t recall.

I’m simply referring to the quality of candidate. █████ didn’t even attend the Biden inauguration FFS. Still █████ lies and nothing happens

 

[RedOrWhite]

Name one positive Democrat policy from 2024 election.

All they've got is █████ bad, they've no interest in making the lives of working class people better. Just doing whatever their donors want.
It's why no prominent Dems endorsed Mamdani, despite the base coming out for him.

 

[Saint]

I can’t recall.

I’m simply referring to the quality of candidate. █████ didn’t even attend the Biden inauguration FFS. Still █████ lies and nothing happens

The candidates weren't as bad as █████. The reason they didn't resonate with voters is that they had zero policies to reduce cost of living.

█████ had policies - tariffs to bring jobs back and kicking out illegals who do jobs cheap. If implemented well, those two policies would increase wages (and inflation more, but the basic logic is there).

So █████ won because he had policies to yell about and the Dems had none. They just yelled about █████ and he laughed at them.

 

[Saint]

All they've got is █████ bad, they've no interest in making the lives of working class people better. Just doing whatever their donors want.
It's why no prominent Dems endorsed Mamdani, despite the base coming out for him.

He showed how good policies will be well received. The Billionaire-led Dems are so petrified by good policy, they don't even support Dem winners!!

It couldn't be more obvious that establishment Dems are not progressives.

 

[bourbons]

Name one positive Democrat policy from 2024 election.

Tax plan - tax benefits for families offset by raising of corporate taxes
Child tax credit - bigger than the one Vance was pitching
Housing scheme - plan for 3 million affordable new homes and tax breaks for builders doing homes for first-time buyers
First home buyer assistance - up to $25,000 in down-payment assistance for people who have paid their rent on time for 2 years
Healthcare - no explanation needed

You'll never convince me the stupidity and plain old partisan tribalism of the average American voter isn't THE major factor in █████'s electoral success.

Republicans favoured Kamala Harris's policies in blind polling

Kamala Harris’s policies were preferred by Republicans to Donald █████'s in blind polling carried out ahead of the election.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

Although its not just Americans to be fair, I suppose they just have more of them - was just skimming some old threads finding the above as I remembered I posted it before, came across one bright spark going with "He can’t be any worse, so what have they got to lose?"

I find it mind boggling that it apparently wasn't pretty obvious he was always going to be worse, for the working class anyway.

 

[bourbons]

The candidates weren't as bad as █████. The reason they didn't resonate with voters is that they had zero policies to reduce cost of living.

█████ had policies - tariffs to bring jobs back and kicking out illegals who do jobs cheap. If implemented well, those two policies would increase wages (and inflation more, but the basic logic is there).

So █████ won because he had policies to yell about and the Dems had none. They just yelled about █████ and he laughed at them.

Agree on him having policies to yell about, as stupid and as obvious that they wouldn't work as they were. Low info voters believed him, somehow

But its just that █████ is far and away better at messaging, lies more convincingly and their electorate is very low info. Thats it imo.

His base is so welded on and partisan they don't even care that he lies anyway. Thats a huge built-in advantage, Dems simply can't get away with that.