VAFA D1 new thread for 2007

[Henry24]

All clubs have this problem, and regional clubs have to make do without a school to feed from. Plenty of other sources to get players from! You shouldn't be reliant on the schools.

 

[slightlyamused]

All clubs have this problem, and regional clubs have to make do without a school to feed from. Plenty of other sources to get players from! You shouldn't be reliant on the schools.

Which problem?
Most of these regional clubs wouldnt survive 5 years, let alone 75, if they didnt rely on paying players.
OPs are struggling at present cos the landscape has changed a little and they are only just beginning to make adjustments.

 

[looker]

I know you guys are sick of OP's talk. But really i dont know anyone else in D1. I was a part of the influx of players that travelled from DV to OP's in '97-'98. In the influx were a hell of a lot of players including some who hung round the club, Porty, Ace Curran, D Loney, Ciavola's, Swindons, Richo and couple of others. There wern;t many from parade yr 12 college who played for them then, and there aren't too many now.
The influx during '97-'98 seemed as tho it only served as prolonging the OP's fall from grace.
I spose this fall would have been a lot earlier had the DV boys not come into the club.
As mentioned in earlier posts, OP's have not appointed any DV person of influence since, and tried to build from within. Recruiting means and ways have improved from beyond, and passed OP's by.
Unless they get the school on board, and retain their VCE boys, they will never re-capture the glory days. That's not to say the social scene round the club will diminish. It won't
It may well turn into another LaTrobe Uni VAFA team, out the Northern subs.
We aint interested in prestige out here, like the pre-mentioned Ess Gramm, St Berns and co.
Our boys out here will continually follow the dollar and/or mates.
Success in the U/19's havent saved OP's, and they won't ever again be able to recruit any seniors players out this way.
Here's a novel thought. How long will OP's need to survive in the cellar of VAFA sections, before they entertain the thought of entering the local DV league?
Then they can fight fire with fire!!

 

[up up and away]

DV07 you obviously don't have any pride in where you came from! It's blokes like yourself that should want to continue playing footy with your mates in a jumper that represents a big part of your life. Clubs linked with schools shouldn't have to chase kids like you to come and play for them, you should want to play for them and represent the thousands of people that have sat in the same classroom and played in the same first 18 teams as you, and then moved on together and not watch the history that these people before you have created to make such a great club slide away because you want to be chased and told you are great! I reckon if you went into your library there would be a few year books about the school and its history that might show you what it means to be an old boy, maybe even a few teachers at the school who actually went to Parade who could tell you how much the colours Purple Green and Blue mean to them!

 

[BarryDawson]

DV07 you obviously don't have any pride in where you came from! It's blokes like yourself that should want to continue playing footy with your mates in a jumper that represents a big part of your life. Clubs linked with schools shouldn't have to chase kids like you to come and play for them, you should want to play for them and represent the thousands of people that have sat in the same classroom and played in the same first 18 teams as you, and then moved on together and not watch the history that these people before you have created to make such a great club slide away because you want to be chased and told you are great! I reckon if you went into your library there would be a few year books about the school and its history that might show you what it means to be an old boy, maybe even a few teachers at the school who actually went to Parade who could tell you how much the colours Purple Green and Blue mean to them!

Yeah! What the hell was Steven Silvagni doing leaving his school mates to become full back of the century at Carlton, should of stayed at Marcellin OC IMO.

 

[slightlyamused]

........ In the influx were a hell of a lot of players including some who hung round the club, Porty, Ace Curran, D Loney, Ciavola's, Swindons, Richo and couple of others. There wern;t many from parade yr 12 college who played for them then, and there aren't too many now.
The influx during '97-'98 seemed as tho it only served as prolonging the OP's fall from grace.
I spose this fall would have been a lot earlier had the DV boys not come into the club.
As mentioned in earlier posts, OP's have not appointed any DV person of influence since, and tried to build from within. Recruiting means and ways have improved from beyond, and passed OP's by.
............

Who are you talking about ? Who was this DV person that had such an influence?
In the last 30 years I can only think of one person with DV experience who had reasonable success, by getting them into finals in A section in late 80s. The only coaches who have helped the club to be promoted have been VAFA types.

 

[kiwi rush]

casboult trained and has committed to old geelong. Great news for them,
rumours at BT are that chivers left over a confrontation with coach easton, can anyone confirm.

 

[Westy's_Warriors]

casboult trained and has committed to old geelong. Great news for them,
rumours at BT are that chivers left over a confrontation with coach easton, can anyone confirm.

Mate, stop posting rubbish about BT cause you have no idea what is happening down there, so nobody really wants to hear your opinion on it anyway. Easto and chivsy have a tremendous amount of respect for eachother and in no way have had any sort of confrontation (and if you knew greg chivers you would understand that you wouldn't find many people over the years that he has had a confrontation with). The reasons greg MAY! leave are those that have nothing to do with BT or football for that matter, so i think you should stop trying to make out that BT are in turmoil, cause i can tell you that we are far from it actually and round 1 cant came soon enough so that we can show it!

 

[Henry24]

Which problem?
Most of these regional clubs wouldnt survive 5 years, let alone 75, if they didnt rely on paying players.
OPs are struggling at present cos the landscape has changed a little and they are only just beginning to make adjustments.

I meant regional clubs within the amateurs, sorry should have made that clear. Not all clubs within the ammos have an association with a school. i.e. Fitzroy, Oakleigh, BT, Prahran

 

[Tiges Alive]

Kiwi, Please stop printing BS regarding BT and Greg having blues with Easto. It appears the possible move is work related. The guy is 32 and as time creeps up he is probably making decisions regarding his long term work future. He would be the most influential player along with Matthews and Tulloch to have led the club in the last 5-10 years.

 

[krusher]

I meant regional clubs within the amateurs, sorry should have made that clear. Not all clubs within the ammos have an association with a school. i.e. Fitzroy, Oakleigh, BT, Prahran

And not all regional clubs pay players....
anyway back to the real stuff

Who are the D1 teams playing in their final praccy matches ?
Oakleigh has Clayton (SFL Div 1 Premier 2006)

 

[davesblaceye]

And not all regional clubs pay players....
anyway back to the real stuff

Who are the D1 teams playing in their final praccy matches ?
Oakleigh has Clayton (SFL Div 1 Premier 2006)

Will be a good game out in Bulleen on Sat with Old Carey hosting OG

 

[Mobbs]

Will be a good game out in Bulleen on Sat with Old Carey hosting OG

Yeah they apparently love matches against each other ... and us from other clubs in C would love to get a better sense of how Carey are travelling, so will be interesting to see how that pans out!

 

[Archangel17]

Old Geelong would be very very competitive in C Grade this year with some quality recruits- Think they will really test OC , particularly in the key positions. Both sides had similar results v Whitefriars- will be very interesting- Tip- OGS by 3 goals as they have something to prove whilst it is just a praccy for Old Carey

 

[overtheline]

Old Geelong would be very very competitive in C Grade this year with some quality recruits- Think they will really test OC , particularly in the key positions. Both sides had similar results v Whitefriars- will be very interesting- Tip- OGS by 3 goals as they have something to prove whilst it is just a praccy for Old Carey

Carey beat whitefriars by about 15 goals!
What a load of bunkum!

 

[The Demon]

Carey beat whitefriars by about 15 goals!
What a load of bunkum!

I thought the "French" friars were a good side?

 

[looker]

Who are you talking about ? Who was this DV person that had such an influence?
In the last 30 years I can only think of one person with DV experience who had reasonable success, by getting them into finals in A section in late 80s. The only coaches who have helped the club to be promoted have been VAFA types.

Yeah, i take your history as gospel. I dont' know of any men, beside Dale, who got them to A grade.
I am talking bout U/19 coach, who got a lot of DV players there. They were recruited to play U/19's, and most did. Yet a lot of them played seniors while the were eligable for u/19, when Parade were in A grade, then bk in B grade. A lot of the youngsters stayed on, ala the names i mentioned earlier, but have now all moved on. Except for Porty.
My point being that it seemed as it only delayed the fall from grace for the Yarrangabee's.
Spose they were not able to read the writing on the wall.?
A club cannot survive on the good will or a Brabender, Vincent or Cosgriff's forever. As good 'a blokes as they are.

 

[slightlyamused]

Spose they were not able to read the writing on the wall.?
A club cannot survive on the good will or a Brabender, Vincent or Cosgriff's forever. As good 'a blokes as they are.

I think some were able to see 'the writing on the wall', but the committees of recent years have,unfortunately, been extremely ineffective.

Until the links with the college, St Marys & St Damiens are genuinely repaired & improved the OPs will battle.
It would be nice if the school actually gave a s**t !!!!
Xavs, St Bernards, Scotch etc are successful because the schools foster the relationship.

If the school dont want to play ball ie. water the Garvey Oval (which they are allowed to do), promote the club then OPs need to adopt new strategies to survive, as the regional/suburban clubs do. Maybe they should run their own juniors again, like all the other large schools do. But not hand them over to St damiens like last time !!!!

 

[Archangel17]

Popped down and watched the OGS play Old Carey, and think D Grade should definitely watch out. They have added height and speed to last year's side, and Casboult is playing. Old Carey definitely were the stronger of the two teams, and the scoreboard certainly flattered the OGS, however i feel that on that display they are a higher middle 4-6 C Grade side, and should dominate D1.They constantly put Old Carey under intense pressure and consistently forced turnovers with some great tackling. Seeing a fit McCarthy back and running was great too, and his battle with Evans and Carr was good watching.Branigan provided a good target. Though wet did not suit, he consistently provided an option and often cleared the way for onballers. Ramsden gives them some physical presence as well.Colby was back and provided some magic in the wet with a super goal in the far pocket. Carey didnt have Tiras, and big ruck Unkles, though Basell seemed to control hitouts. Also did not notice either of their big forwards from last year. Some bloke 'Mal' was impressive across the middle, and Collins was as per usual a ball magnet, despite some close tagging .Both sides were probably 3-4 players off full strength. Since this would be pretty close to the norm during the season, we could use this as a reasonable gauge.

Saw the second half of the twos, which was also competitive and there seemed to be a couple of blokes in Carey's twos who would be big options for ones. Big Big unit in ruck and across CHB seemed unfit but was suprisingly fast and had some big hits. Onballer 17 and Wing 39 seemed good enough for ones too, and tall skinny player across half forward showed some flashes. OGS was harder to work out as they seemed to play half of their ones including VW, Deisel, Ramsden, but thought Mark Avery played well enough to get a look in at the ones, as did Bayles.

 

[overtheline]

Popped down and watched the OGS play Old Carey, and think D Grade should definitely watch out. They have added height and speed to last year's side, and Casboult is playing. Old Carey definitely were the stronger of the two teams, and the scoreboard certainly flattered the OGS, however i feel that on that display they are a higher middle 4-6 C Grade side, and should dominate D1.They constantly put Old Carey under intense pressure and consistently forced turnovers with some great tackling. Seeing a fit McCarthy back and running was great too, and his battle with Evans and Carr was good watching.Branigan provided a good target. Though wet did not suit, he consistently provided an option and often cleared the way for onballers. Ramsden gives them some physical presence as well.Colby was back and provided some magic in the wet with a super goal in the far pocket. Carey didnt have Tiras, and big ruck Unkles, though Basell seemed to control hitouts. Also did not notice either of their big forwards from last year. Some bloke 'Mal' was impressive across the middle, and Collins was as per usual a ball magnet, despite some close tagging .Both sides were probably 3-4 players off full strength. Since this would be pretty close to the norm during the season, we could use this as a reasonable gauge.

Saw the second half of the twos, which was also competitive and there seemed to be a couple of blokes in Carey's twos who would be big options for ones. Big Big unit in ruck and across CHF seemed unfit but was suprisingly fast and had some big hits. Onballer 17 and Wing 39 seemed good enough for ones too, and tall skinny player across half forward showed some flashes. OGS was harder to work out as they seemed to play half of their ones including VW, Deisel, Ramsden, but thought Mark Avery played well enough to get a look in at the ones, as did Bayles.

Thats all well and good to say Oggs a top 4 C grade side. They would be the only team without unders, if they were in C grade and this can become significant during the season as injuries hit.
Let's just see if they win d1 first!

 

[twoblues]

LONG YEAR FOR THE BUSHRANGERS!!!!!

Saw them play Aquinas in a praccy match today and they were a rable. Heard they have lost a few but by the way they are going D2 beckons. Couldn't happen to a better bunch of blokes!

Also, 26 is a twat!

 

[Concrete boots]

Popped down and watched the OGS play Old Carey, and think D Grade should definitely watch out. They have added height and speed to last year's side, and Casboult is playing. Old Carey definitely were the stronger of the two teams, and the scoreboard certainly flattered the OGS, however i feel that on that display they are a higher middle 4-6 C Grade side, and should dominate D1.They constantly put Old Carey under intense pressure and consistently forced turnovers with some great tackling. Seeing a fit McCarthy back and running was great too, and his battle with Evans and Carr was good watching.Branigan provided a good target. Though wet did not suit, he consistently provided an option and often cleared the way for onballers. Ramsden gives them some physical presence as well.Colby was back and provided some magic in the wet with a super goal in the far pocket. Carey didnt have Tiras, and big ruck Unkles, though Basell seemed to control hitouts. Also did not notice either of their big forwards from last year. Some bloke 'Mal' was impressive across the middle, and Collins was as per usual a ball magnet, despite some close tagging .Both sides were probably 3-4 players off full strength. Since this would be pretty close to the norm during the season, we could use this as a reasonable gauge.

Saw the second half of the twos, which was also competitive and there seemed to be a couple of blokes in Carey's twos who would be big options for ones. Big Big unit in ruck and across CHF seemed unfit but was suprisingly fast and had some big hits. Onballer 17 and Wing 39 seemed good enough for ones too, and tall skinny player across half forward showed some flashes. OGS was harder to work out as they seemed to play half of their ones including VW, Deisel, Ramsden, but thought Mark Avery played well enough to get a look in at the ones, as did Bayles.

That "some bloke called Mal" is Malcolm Heppell. Very good player, was at Mitcham for quite some time and, whilst closer to his twiglight than the start of his career, will be a good addition to the OC midfield.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

LONG YEAR FOR THE BUSHRANGERS!!!!!

Saw them play Aquinas in a praccy match today and they were a rable. Heard they have lost a few but by the way they are going D2 beckons. Couldn't happen to a better bunch of blokes!

Also, 26 is a twat!

Being a Aquinas person you are absolutley spot on. Couldnt happen to a better bunch of blokes!!!!!!!! The softest ammo's team i have seen in quite a while. Someone should teach them to put their head over the ball.

 

[Westy's_Warriors]

BT had a praccy game on the weekend against Lalor Bloods, and ended up coming away with a very convincing 21 point win, in the wet and sloppy conditions.

A lot of new faces in the BT senior side with a good mixture of young and older blokes, the old stars Tulloch and Clarkey who is back this year really provided the ants with exceptional run through the middle and not to mention toughness which went along way against a physical lalor side who are more used to playing a tougher brand of footy being a DVFL side.

The ants controlled the game from start to finish leading at every stage of the game, a solid hitout before round 1 was exactly what was needed and even though we went into the game probably thinking that Lalor would be too strong for us (with the inclusion of Carmusiano this year for the bloods, an excellent young midfielder who played in the intra club match for carlton this year) we were extremely happy to get the win on the board.

 

[dv07]

Yeah, i take your history as gospel. I dont' know of any men, beside Dale, who got them to A grade.
I am talking bout U/19 coach, who got a lot of DV players there. They were recruited to play U/19's, and most did. Yet a lot of them played seniors while the were eligable for u/19, when Parade were in A grade, then bk in B grade. A lot of the youngsters stayed on, ala the names i mentioned earlier, but have now all moved on. Except for Porty.
My point being that it seemed as it only delayed the fall from grace for the Yarrangabee's.
Spose they were not able to read the writing on the wall.?
A club cannot survive on the good will or a Brabender, Vincent or Cosgriff's forever. As good 'a blokes as they are.

is it true that old paradians dont play under 19s in the ones although they might be good enough? last year we had blokes like sagey, curcio, stace, just to mention a few who should of played ones.