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Dear All Forum Followers,

Apologies for interrupting this OEG -v- SKOB battle and the ongoing liturgy of SKOBs' generosity in providing gun players to every VAFA club (bar OTs I reckon) to assist in their rise through the ranks but.....I have some relevant news (yes news) from HQ.

Just through on the Prez/Sec email is the Changes in Rules and Playing Conditions for 2006, and in chronological order, they are as follows:

1. Club 18 reporting procedure to become the same as Seniors, Reserves & U19

2. Set Penaties - to be reviewed re: tripping, kicking and umpire abuse

3. Permits and Re-instatements - the definition of amateur change to:

"An amateur is one who does not receive, either directly or indirectly, any remuneration or reward whatsoever (whether by way of match payments or expenses or otherwise) in respect to his participation in the VAFA."


The rationale is explained as being - a number of players have been given a lifetime ban from the VAFA when they did not knowingly break reinstatement guidelines. The main threat of players flooding our competition from the professional leagues or swapping continuously has not eventuated when reinstatements were freed up a few seasons ago. Lifestyles in our community have changed and the VAFA want to reflect these changes.

NB - Next season there will be no reinstatements as they are now not necessary. All players must continue to sign an affidavit stating they have not and will not received match payments or expenses to play in the VAFA. A new permit form will be in operation next year and all permits will be completed by the registration secretary online.

4. Water carriers - can't be within 30 metres of the coaches' boxes so they can't be used as de facto runners. They will also have to wear VAFA approved shorts.

5. Duration of quarters - 20 mins plus time-on when blown by the umpire/boundary umpire (apparently some field umpires were blowing at all out-of-bounds when it's not necessary)

6. Umpires - numbers will no longer be worn as it takes the focus off the umpires and reduces potential for spectator abuse.

7. New umpires - 1st year, will wear light green outfit to indicate they're learning the craft and are being mentored

8. Red/yellow/black card system -
yellow = audible obscenity (15 mins, immediately replaced),
red = minor report (15 mins, one man short, can return),
black = serious (15 mins, one man short, can't return).

Timekeepers, runners, coaches should all know the immediate affect, and this will minimise confusion/time wasting.

9. Zero Tolerance Policy for U19 football - will be drafted by Brian Goodman by Feb 2006 as these grades are viewed as the source of most umpire abuse and lack of discipline.

10. Club XVIII relegation/promotion is one-up/down only

11. Change to finals' eligibility for Old Xavs Club XVIII players (not relevant to most of us!)

12. Whilst Club XVIII teams can still have up to 26 players in the side during h/a, the finals limit will be 22.

13. All clubs with a Club XVIII side to nominate a manager who receives material from the VAFA re: Club XVIII issues, along with the club secretary.

14. Club XVIII quarters are now 20 mins plsu time-on.

Hope this provokes some useful debate!!

Scribe
:thumbsu: :D
 
The Slitherin' Snake said:
Take the number off umpires to limit abuse and take the focus off them, so why put new umpires in green so everyone knows there is a new umpire and can pressure / abuse him because of it?

Why? Because the VAFA Admin is an absolute joke. Kath Pettingill would do a better job running the league from her place at Venus Bay.
 

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Scribe said:
Dear All Forum Followers,

Apologies for interrupting this OEG -v- SKOB battle and the ongoing liturgy of SKOBs' generosity in providing gun players to every VAFA club (bar OTs I reckon) to assist in their rise through the ranks but.....I have some relevant news (yes news) from HQ.
:thumbsu: :D

Sorry, couldn't resist, we did provide OT's with Andrew Lamb back after his state year in 98.
 
Scribe said:
Dear All Forum Followers,

Apologies for interrupting this OEG -v- SKOB battle and the ongoing liturgy of SKOBs' generosity in providing gun players to every VAFA club (bar OTs I reckon) to assist in their rise through the ranks but.....I have some relevant news (yes news) from HQ.

Just through on the Prez/Sec email is the Changes in Rules and Playing Conditions for 2006, and in chronological order, they are as follows:

1. Club 18 reporting procedure to become the same as Seniors, Reserves & U19

2. Set Penaties - to be reviewed re: tripping, kicking and umpire abuse

3. Permits and Re-instatements - the definition of amateur change to:

"An amateur is one who does not receive, either directly or indirectly, any remuneration or reward whatsoever (whether by way of match payments or expenses or otherwise) in respect to his participation in the VAFA."


The rationale is explained as being - a number of players have been given a lifetime ban from the VAFA when they did not knowingly break reinstatement guidelines. The main threat of players flooding our competition from the professional leagues or swapping continuously has not eventuated when reinstatements were freed up a few seasons ago. Lifestyles in our community have changed and the VAFA want to reflect these changes.

NB - Next season there will be no reinstatements as they are now not necessary. All players must continue to sign an affidavit stating they have not and will not received match payments or expenses to play in the VAFA. A new permit form will be in operation next year and all permits will be completed by the registration secretary online.

4. Water carriers - can't be within 30 metres of the coaches' boxes so they can't be used as de facto runners. They will also have to wear VAFA approved shorts.

5. Duration of quarters - 20 mins plus time-on when blown by the umpire/boundary umpire (apparently some field umpires were blowing at all out-of-bounds when it's not necessary)

6. Umpires - numbers will no longer be worn as it takes the focus off the umpires and reduces potential for spectator abuse.

7. New umpires - 1st year, will wear light green outfit to indicate they're learning the craft and are being mentored

8. Red/yellow/black card system -
yellow = audible obscenity (15 mins, immediately replaced),
red = minor report (15 mins, one man short, can return),
black = serious (15 mins, one man short, can't return).

Timekeepers, runners, coaches should all know the immediate affect, and this will minimise confusion/time wasting.

9. Zero Tolerance Policy for U19 football - will be drafted by Brian Goodman by Feb 2006 as these grades are viewed as the source of most umpire abuse and lack of discipline.

10. Club XVIII relegation/promotion is one-up/down only

11. Change to finals' eligibility for Old Xavs Club XVIII players (not relevant to most of us!)

12. Whilst Club XVIII teams can still have up to 26 players in the side during h/a, the finals limit will be 22.

13. All clubs with a Club XVIII side to nominate a manager who receives material from the VAFA re: Club XVIII issues, along with the club secretary.

14. Club XVIII quarters are now 20 mins plsu time-on.

Hope this provokes some useful debate!!

Scribe
:thumbsu: :D

Why can the VAFA not jsut leave the rules alone??? Every year they want to justify their fat wage packets by making the obligatory bull******** changes to feel that they exercise power.
Putting my Director of umpiring hat on, we here at HQ need to get some control over the violence that seems to be regularly previlent in the U19's.
And by the way, I proposed magenta outfits for the new umpires, but Michael thought that a sexy lime green was the colour for the future...Amateur Football, good afternoon Brian speaking...
 
Sorry to distract you, just want to go back to the OEG v SKOB thing.

If Essendon Gr is the upper class school for Broady, then I suppose StKevin's is the School in Toorak for little boys that can't afford to live there or go to Xavier.

Poor mans' rich school in other words.

They are also the weakest breed of all the Catholic schools. Surprising really.
 
Benny MOF said:
then I suppose StKevin's is the School in Toorak for little boys that can't afford to live there or go to Xavier.

Used to be the case, but things have definelty changed. Apart from Xavier, Skevs is at the top of tree catholic school wise both academically & sporting wise.

We now have better facilities than Xavier & our land is worth more, we also produced better blokes and in line with this forum, more AFL footballers & unlike them, we don't give out football scholarships..
 
bendigo said:
Why would suburban players on hundreds of dollars a game go to a 'D' section Amateur club? A large number of their senior side has absolutely no connection with Melbourne Uni.
Come on Bendigo, don't be such a doubter. Given the choice, we would all give up a couple of hundred a game to "be with a good bunch of blokes" and play for the "love of the game" !! I'm certain the likes of Chris Groom left West Preston because he was tired of earning money to play footy ;)
 
roberta williams said:
Why? Because the VAFA Admin is an absolute joke. Kath Pettingill would do a better job running the league from her place at Venus Bay.

Go and watch a surburban game of footy and you will quickly realise that the vafa is the best run comp in vic!
 
The Wizard said:
Used to be the case, but things have definelty changed. Apart from Xavier, Skevs is at the top of tree catholic school wise both academically & sporting wise.

We now have better facilities than Xavier & our land is worth more, we also produced better blokes and in line with this forum, more AFL footballers & unlike them, we don't give out football scholarships..

who cares! just get over it and fill in that chip on your shoulder.
 
Benny MOF said:
Sorry to distract you, just want to go back to the OEG v SKOB thing.

If Essendon Gr is the upper class school for Broady, then I suppose StKevin's is the School in Toorak for little boys that can't afford to live there or go to Xavier.

Poor mans' rich school in other words.

They are also the weakest breed of all the Catholic schools. Surprising really.

Have you got a spare $18,000 laying around per child for his schooling Benjamin? Get a reality check and get over it.
 

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Is it just me or does every bloke from StKevins have an inferiority complex with Xavier, Essendon Grammar and St Bernards?

99% of the stuff on this forum is tongue in cheek humor between rival clubs but lately it has been very heated, I can't help but think that since the arrival of Brian Speaking things have been a little more serious.

I guess its hard when you're too POOR to go to Xav's, too PROUD to go to Bernards and too RELIGIOUS to go to PEGS. I suppose you just take whats left
 

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As Charlie has alluded, the severity of some of the sledging his risen considerably. I have had this referred to me just today and would like to ask that some form of decorum is adopted. General stirring and robust argument is always welcome but try not to get too personal. Applies to me as well!
 
Charlie Murphy said:
I guess its hard when you're too POOR to go to Xav's, too PROUD to go to Bernards and too RELIGIOUS to go to PEGS. I suppose you just take whats left

Why would a kid from the Eastern Suburbs go to Bernards or PEGS before Skevs?
 
The Wizard said:
Used to be the case, but things have definelty changed. Apart from Xavier, Skevs is at the top of tree catholic school wise both academically & sporting wise.

We now have better facilities than Xavier & our land is worth more, we also produced better blokes and in line with this forum, more AFL footballers & unlike them, we don't give out football scholarships..

As a parent of a prospective student at either of Xavier or St Kevins, who has done a fair bit of unbiased research, this is somewhat incorrect.

From my research, I don't think the facilities are better at St Kevins. The new building will be very good, but to be honest the whole place seems to be shoe horned into a wedge of reclaimed swamp land along Gardiner Creek in the shadows of a freeway. I kept looking for the power lines!

The land may be worth more per sq metre at St Kevins compared with Xavier but really there's not much of it. Xavier has large sprawling ovals and the feeling is of a successful, beautifully maintained school with a strong sporting heritage and strong links to law and medecine, all brought together under Jesuit ideals.

At St Kevins you have to drive under a railway bridge to get inside - not a great entrance at all. It seems to be a school that is wondering what it's heritage is and when they will find it. Sport is somewhat important but not a lot of places to play anything. Academically, it has had mixed results from year to year. Brothers are just men who couldn't take the next step to being a priest. You get the same feelings about the school - good but not quite enough dedication to take the next step to excellence.

Whatever you think of them as blokes, I regularly meet successful men who were educated at Xavier, rarely at St Kevins. To some extent, this could just be a function of the size of the relative schools but not entirely.

Old St Kevins boys are always trying to convince you that their school is better than Xavier, but they are just like a used car salesman who tells you the trusty old Volvo wagon he is trying to sell you will go just as fast as the Porsche convertible you really want to buy.

They should not try and compete with a clearly superior school and just be comfortable in creating their own niche for those who want or need something less challenging or success orientated for their sons. No shame in that, just a different direction. Whatever it is, they should pick their own goals and compare themselves to those goals only and not try to beat a school they will never be able to.

At the end of the day, I want my sons to grow up to be like the Old Xavs I know or have met and not the Old St Kevins boys I know or have met. I want a culture of success and confidence (perhaps arrogance to some) because I can assure you these are qualities that will get you somewhere in life and business.

And no matter what various posters here may think about old Xavier boys (obviously there are exceptions), they are invariably successful and have lots of friends and contacts. I'll be going with the strength.

I get the impression of a small school, which can have some benefits, for less mature children who need to coaxed and molly coddled through their teenage years
 
Menages said:
I regularly meet successful men who were educated at Xavier, rarely at St Kevins.

Your research might need to take in this variable. Out of all the private schools, the drop out rate of Old Xavs in first year University is the highest... Fact.
 
Menages the biggest head start you can give your kids, is not to send them to a mic school. And while we are on mic schools, could we please stop discussing them as it leaves some of us with a bad taste in the mouth. Really, since when did this board decide to discuss lower class catholics. Frankly it is beneath me and my Protestant friends.
 
What's wrong with good old public education? Save yourself 18 grand a year and send your kids to Melbourne High
 
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