Voss On Vlastuin

[s_wd6]

The funny thing is that this is the definition of a king hit (swinging a fist from behind and hitting a guy in the head) whereas the other incident wasn't.

swinging a fist minus the fist

 

[Spirit Level]

The penalty is fine, but if he played for Carlton he'd have been unlucky to get 1 week so it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

 

[Bald]

Whether there's a fist or not, is largely irrelevant. Initially I thought there was as well, but it's still a completely careless act and it was graded as such.

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

I would have been absolutely fine with 2 weeks. Especially after rewatching and seeing the open hand still frames.

Glad we are challenging, however. Hopefully we can get it down to 2 weeks.

Voss plays with a decent amount of aggression and needs to learn how to use it properly. No problem with him having a stint on the sidelines and having a think about how to be better at not hurting other blokes.

 

[Orange crush]

I would have been absolutely fine with 2 weeks. Especially after rewatching and seeing the open hand still frames.

Glad we are challenging, however. Hopefully we can get it down to 2 weeks.

Voss plays with a decent amount of aggression and needs to learn how to use it properly. No problem with him having a stint on the sidelines and having a think about how to be better at not hurting other blokes.

He’s lucky he didn’t get a week for poking Treacy in the eye a couple of games ago

 

[im_a_lazy_sod]

He’s lucky he didn’t get a week for poking Treacy in the eye a couple of games ago

Haha yeah. It’s wild if you open up the can of worms RE opponent v teammate

If you elect to bump or tackle or any footy act and miss your opponent but clean up and KO a teammate would you get cited?

 

[Eski3]

Freo are arguing that impact should be "high" instead of "severe". Actually a decent test case for whether capacity for injury can constitute "severe". Not that the MRO will apply the precedent consistently anyway

 

[Altum Volantes]

Freo are arguing that impact should be "high" instead of "severe". Actually a decent test case for whether capacity for injury can constitute "severe". Not that the MRO will apply the precedent consistently anyway

I thought 3 was fine but I can see why they’d give it a crack to shave a week off.

Broken bones probably implies severe impact to me though - you don’t see that many broken noses these days as it is.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

3 weeks upheld.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

3 weeks upheld.

This will get interesting later in the season. The Tribunal seems to have re-defined what severe impact it to include a lot more cases. I mean this impact is not a patch on say Dangerfield v Kelly or Jeremy Cameron v Andrews. So do we now need another level of impact called extremely severe or something?

 

[My_Username]

I thought 3 was fine but I can see why they’d give it a crack to shave a week off.

Broken bones probably implies severe impact to me though - you don’t see that many broken noses these days as it is.

That's because you don't see nearly as much high contact these days, especially stuff like this.

The nose remains (relatively) easy to break being both very exposed and fairly thin.

 

[Alfonz]

Should have been 2 weeks for high impact. The impact is clearly not severe. Breaking a nose is pretty easy, and if it was done with severe force then Vlastuin would have a concussion as well. And it's not clear if he even has a broken nose or just a nasty cut.

Freo raised 24 comparable cases being graded severe and all of them except one had the victim missing games. Of course this was ignored. Farcical hearing.

Looking forward to the next Collingwood player who whacks someone having the impact upgraded to severe based on the potential to cause harm.

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

Looked very deliberate to me. One of those try to disguise jobs. Cop your three.

 

[Madas]

I would have been absolutely fine with 2 weeks. Especially after rewatching and seeing the open hand still frames.

Glad we are challenging, however. Hopefully we can get it down to 2 weeks.

Voss plays with a decent amount of aggression and needs to learn how to use it properly. No problem with him having a stint on the sidelines and having a think about how to be better at not hurting other blokes.

Plus he can do nothing but practice kicking goals and not giving away dumb 50m penalties

 

[LOLchie Schultz]

In times where cost of living is top of the world's lists of worries, Freo throw money away on one of the clearest suspensions the human race has ever seen.

Embarrassing decision to contest!

Hope the lawyer charged double for the shame of fighting for them!

 

[JoseMourinho]

In times where cost of living is top of the world's lists of worries, Freo throw money away on one of the clearest suspensions the human race has ever seen.

Embarrassing decision to contest!

Hope the lawyer charged double for the shame of fighting for them!

Not really because it was classed severe when so many other actions in a similar scenario is considered high. What an embarassing post .

I'm just done with the tribunal. Case after case, we get the harshest possible punishment for our players despite similar examples either being downgraded or given less time.

 

[BF Tiger]

Not really because it was classed severe when so many other actions in a similar scenario is considered high. What an embarassing post .

I'm just done with the tribunal. Case after case, we get the harshest possible punishment for our players despite similar examples either being downgraded or given less time.

We’ve all got our beefs with the tribunal. It’s certainly broken and this will no doubt be demonstrated when a similar action and outcome result in a wildly different decision by Michael Christian.

 

[Tugga27]

Not really because it was classed severe when so many other actions in a similar scenario is considered high. What an embarassing post .

I'm just done with the tribunal. Case after case, we get the harshest possible punishment for our players despite similar examples either being downgraded or given less time.

I disagree mate.

That's 3 matches every day of the week.
Splattered his nose all over his face and had claret streaming out.

They even laughed about the appeal on 360.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Not really because it was classed severe when so many other actions in a similar scenario is considered high. What an embarassing post .

I'm just done with the tribunal. Case after case, we get the harshest possible punishment for our players despite similar examples either being downgraded or given less time.

I don’t think it was severe impact either. But Voss’s trouble is this action carried a lot higher level of carelessness than say a sling tackle or the push Mansell got 3 weeks for. The grading system doesn’t seem to allow for the differing degrees within the individual gradings. So when they see a case like this that has a really bad look to it and is very obviously dangerous and so on, they have to make things up to get to the right punishment.

Some poor sod later in the year could miss finals because a similar level of impact is graded severe now for an incident with a much less clear argument in terms of carelessness. A clip to the ear = a punch to the jaw for point of contact. A fat lip or bent nose = a smashed jaw for impact. Marginal carelessness = borderline deliberate in terms of intent.

A number rating system where you get 0-100 for each of impact, contact and intent might be better. 50 = 1 week. 100 = 2 weeks. 150 = 3 weeks up to 300 = 6 weeks.

So this incident might be 90 for carelessness, 60 for direct high contact and 50 for impact and a 4 week suspension for eg. The Mansell push might be 30 for carelessness, 30 for referred high contact and 70 for impact and a 2 week suspension, with some carryover points.

 

[Madas]

I disagree mate.

That's 3 matches every day of the week.
Splattered his nose all over his face and had claret streaming out.

They even laughed about the appeal on 360.

It was definitely 3 but a better club would have argued it down to 2

 

[LOLchie Schultz]

Not really because it was classed severe when so many other actions in a similar scenario is considered high. What an embarassing post .

I'm just done with the tribunal. Case after case, we get the harshest possible punishment for our players despite similar examples either being downgraded or given less time.

Oh you poor thing, must be so tough!

Decision to contest was a dumb as your post!

 

[LOLchie Schultz]

We’ve all got our beefs with the tribunal. It’s certainly broken and this will no doubt be demonstrated when a similar action and outcome result in a wildly different decision by Michael Christian.

Not sure I've seen an action like this in over 30 years!

This was as simple a ruling as ol mates reasons for being upset. Two different kinds of simple though!

 

[My_Username]

Looked very deliberate to me. One of those try to disguise jobs. Cop your three.

The AFL is VERY reluctant to call anything deliberate.

Saying someone deliberately tried to unfairly hurt/injury another player is a nasty comment about their character, and could have legal ramifications down the line. It's also really hard to prove (see legal ramifications).

So unless the MRP/tribunal is certain the player intended it, and that they can prove this beyond reasonable doubt, it'll only ever be deemed 'careless'.

 

[WilloTree]

So, there are 24 comparable incident's graded as 'severe'.

23 of the 24 the players missed at least one week due to the contact

Will be interesting to see if Vlaustin plays this week. If he does - the Tribunal got this one wrong.

It's as simple as that.

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

The AFL is VERY reluctant to call anything deliberate.

Saying someone deliberately tried to unfairly hurt/injury another player is a nasty comment about their character, and could have legal ramifications down the line. It's also really hard to prove (see legal ramifications).

So unless the MRP/tribunal is certain the player intended it, and that they can prove this beyond reasonable doubt, it'll only ever be deemed 'careless'.

You're right. The AFL will call it whatever they like. But it was 100% deliberate.