MRP / Trib. Vs Essendon

[GabbaGirl]

I think we will be extremely lucky if neither of them miss games. I'm conflicted because I love that we were aggressive and hard in the game but I don't actually like either of those incidents and don't like to see people get injured, no matter who they play for.

 

[radiotron]

If Tim didn't go into bat for his side and try to get Merrett the death penalty

yeah this infuriates me
let the MRP do it's job
the week before Tony Shaw was trying to stitch Merrett up for 3 wks for tunnelling!!
(i'd like to think these clowns have no sway with MRP tho)

 

[karix]

Clarke definitely dropped the shoulder....I think he should be rubbed out....would not like to see one of our players hit from behind like that....it was a gutless cheap shot.

Watto? Is that you? It was a -split- second late, the player hadn't landed and didn't have full control of the ball when contact was made, Clarke was committed to the contested/spoil well before it was clear the player was going to mark the ball at all, so he couldn't have pulled out of it anyway. When a player runs with the flight of the ball towards a defender there is a risk, that's why we say its courageous to do so.. He took that risk and it only hurt him for a 5 minutes and it scored him team a goal.

The only knock against Clarke is that yes he put his shoulder in, but I don't see what other option he had with the way that he arrived at the contested and how the player was coming towards him. The commentators criticised him for not disguising what he was doing, I'd argue that if he had a chance to disguise it would've been malicious. As it is I think it's negligent, though I don't see how he could've avoided the contact other than by not coming into the contest, and he had every right to be there.

 

[Triple R]

Watto? Is that you? It was a -split- second late, the player hadn't landed and didn't have full control of the ball when contact was made, Clarke was committed to the contested/spoil well before it was clear the player was going to mark the ball at all, so he couldn't have pulled out of it anyway. When a player runs with the flight of the ball towards a defender there is a risk, that's why we say its courageous to do so.. He took that risk and it only hurt him for a 5 minutes and it scored him team a goal.

The only knock against Clarke is that yes he put his shoulder in, but I don't see what other option he had with the way that he arrived at the contested and how the player was coming towards him. The commentators criticised him for not disguising what he was doing, I'd argue that if he had a chance to disguise it would've been malicious. As it is I think it's negligent, though I don't see how he could've avoided the contact other than by not coming into the contest, and he had every right to be there.

I agree, it looked to me at if they hit shoulder to shoulder, not shoulder to head, back or sternum. It'll be interesting to hear the view of the MRP on this one. I think it'll be a reprimand.

Merett will be out for a while because he caused injury to the player.

 

[joshhem]

Rog:
Reckless, high impact, high contact - rough contact 425 points



JC:
Negligent, medium impact, body contact - charging 125 points. Clean record 25% reduction...

 

[joshhem]

Have a go at classifying them according to "the book"
http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/2012/AFL-Tribunal-Booklet-2012.pdf

 

[JasRulz63]

Clarke won't get clean record because that's only after 5 seasons without charges, but he will get the early plea which is -25%.

Merrett has 94 points hanging over his head too, which will most likely add a week to any suspension.

 

[joshhem]

Clarke won't get clean record because that's only after 5 seasons without charges, but he will get the early plea which is -25%.

Merrett has 94 points hanging over his head too, which will most likely add a week to any suspension.

I was pretty sure that it gets measured regardless of when you debuted. Could be wrong though...

 

[joshhem]

Reading the booklet has me more concerned for Clarke now:

Definition of ‘negligent’
An example of negligent contact may be where a player collides
with another player who has taken a mark and where contact occurs
just after the mark has been taken. The offending player has a duty
of care to avoid any contact which would constitute a reportable
offence by slowing his momentum as much as he reasonably can and
a failure to do so constitutes negligent.
Definition of ‘reckless’
In the example given under negligent above, if a player collides
with another player who has marked the ball, in circumstances
where there is some further time after the mark has been taken,
and where he blindly continued on, to contact the player taking the
mark, then the act would best be described as reckless.

The fact that he drops the shoulder could move it from negligent to reckless in which case he's gone for 1 after early plea...

 

[Cousin Jed]

Yes I did my sums on him getting 225 points.

 

[Balony_pony16]

I think Merrett has good cause to defend himself...
1) He applied the tackle near the shoulder and didnt intent on wrapping up his arms
3) hurleys hand hit the ground first but gave way in a rolling like motion
3) Hurley was slung towards the boundary which was Merretts intentions, and not to drive him into the ground

Clarke is in a bit of trouble...he rolled his shoulder and slammed through his back. Made zero attempt to lesson the force but actually appeared to ensure he ran through him

 

[Football Pope]

For ease of reference:

Special "unbiased" comments Timmy Watson.....worse than Eddy commentating on a Pies game...and there was no red button option~!

 

[karix]

Have a go at classifying them according to "the book"
http://mm.afl.com.au/Portals/0/2012/AFL-Tribunal-Booklet-2012.pdf

Straight away... upon reading the 2012 updated stuff..

2. Rough Conduct Tackles
Amendments to the Tribunal Guidelines
To allow the MRP to more readily distinguish between negligent
and reckless dangerous tackles by reference to relevant factors
such as lifting a player off the ground and using a double action

Rog didn't lift him, and didn't use a double action. Just ran towards him, grabbed Hurley and pulled him down letting his momentum did the rest as he came around past him. He also releases one arm very early in the turn, I don't think it's intentional though because it happens when he grounds himself. With a little luck it may not even be a rough conduct/sling tackle. The free kick was for tackling a player without the ball, not for the head contact.

Unfortunately for Rog, if is considered a sling tackle it's gotta be High impact to the head.. it just a question of negligent (IE Failed to take care in laying the tackle), or reckless (He knew there was a good chance of harm by laying the tackle, and did it anyway).

Personally.. biased as I am.. I think it's more likely negligent because he didn't show any overt aggression after the tackle, and his main intention was obviously to pull the man down and the man & the ball over the boundary. The youtube footage doesn't show the best angle for viewing the tackle, there is a better one in the game footage in slow motion where you can see Hurley's left arm come out quite early.

We'll see I guess.

 

[lions27]

I think Clarke will be ok, the ball was his and the last second got intercepted by opposition player so he protected him self.

As for merret I think that the free kick awarded was enough as it was not a sling tackle and Hurley was playing for a free and face planted.

We should be all good

 

[Balony_pony16]

Special "unbiased" comments Timmy Watson.....worse than Eddy commentating on a Pies game...and there was no red button option~!

nice...I recon Winderlich would of crapped himself when he got steamrolled by Brown. He barely fought back

 

[Balony_pony16]

I think Clarke will be ok, the ball was his and the last second got intercepted by opposition player so he protected him self.

As for merret I think that the free kick awarded was enough as it was not a sling tackle and Hurley was playing for a free and face planted.

We should be all good

The ball wasnt intercepted...clarke was late 3rd man and he burried his shoulder and ran through kavanagh

 

[dlanod]

I was pretty sure that it gets measured regardless of when you debuted. Could be wrong though...

There's two separate concepts of a clean record. One is five years good behaviour, which gets you a 25% loading once. The other is not being suspended for a year (or so), which means you don't have any increase - if you have been suspended, your penalty increases by 10% for each game. That counts from debut.

 

[bomberswarm2]

For Clarke, I got Reckless, Severe impact and body contact, which comes to 425 points.
Change it to Negligent and its 325 points.
How are sling tackles being classified in the tribunal guidelines? Doesn't have it in the list.

I think Clarke will be ok, the ball was his and the last second got intercepted by opposition player so he protected him self.

As for merret I think that the free kick awarded was enough as it was not a sling tackle and Hurley was playing for a free and face planted.

We should be all good

Your logic intrigues me. Please I would like to know, how Hurley could be playing for a free, when he has his arms pined and is thrown into the turf by Merrett? Seriously, I don't have a clue how this logic works.

 

[JasRulz63]

There's two separate concepts of a clean record. One is five years good behaviour, which gets you a 25% loading once. The other is not being suspended for a year (or so), which means you don't have any increase - if you have been suspended, your penalty increases by 10% for each game. That counts from debut.

It's now six years good behaviour and suspensions in the last two years.

 

[JasRulz63]

For Clarke, I got Reckless, Severe impact and body contact, which comes to 425 points.

Severe impact? Doubt it. Only time I've seen players get that is if the contact resulting in a severe injury (e.g. Betts breaking Wright's jaw last week, Wellingham breaking Simpson's jaw last year etc.). Kavanagh was able to continue playing without issue, highly doubt we'll see it graded as severe.

Sling tackles are generally considered rough conduct aren't they.

 

[dlanod]

For Clarke, I got Reckless, Severe impact and body contact, which comes to 425 points.
Change it to Negligent and its 325 points.

Personally I'm seeing negligent rather than reckless - it was late but not that late, and he didn't leave the ground, especially after the mark was taken. Severe would be very over the odds going off previous MRP lists - you've got to pretty much kill the guy to get severe.

 

[Balony_pony16]

Severe impact? Doubt it. Only time I've seen players get that is if the contact resulting in a severe injury (e.g. Betts breaking Wright's jaw last week, Wellingham breaking Simpson's jaw last year etc.). Kavanagh was able to continue playing without issue, highly doubt we'll see it graded as severe.

agree...no broken ribs, and he still has his spleen and kidneys

 

[bomberswarm2]

Severe impact? Doubt it. Only time I've seen players get that is if the contact resulting in a severe injury (e.g. Betts breaking Wright's jaw last week, Wellingham breaking Simpson's jaw last year etc.). Kavanagh was able to continue playing without issue, highly doubt we'll see it graded as severe.

Sling tackles are generally considered rough conduct aren't they.

Well looked pretty severe, if Kavanagh had a lung injury, which is what they were looking for when he went off, I'm pretty sure it would of been severe for sure.

If Merrett's is reckless, I got Negligent, Medium impact and High contact. 325 points. You can expect since Hurely was subbed off he'll cop a bigger suspension, seems to be the MPR's way to do that more often.

 

[JasRulz63]

Well looked pretty severe, if Kavanagh had a lung injury, which is what they were looking for when he went off, I'm pretty sure it would of been severe for sure.

If Kavanagh did have a lung injury, then agreed, it'd nudge closer to severe. But as you mention with Merrett, the MRP tend to look at result, and the end result of the Kavanagh collision was him being eventually fine and continued to play unimpeded (from the look of it anyway)

 

[bomberswarm2]

Personally I'm seeing negligent rather than reckless - it was late but not that late, and he didn't leave the ground, especially after the mark was taken. Severe would be very over the odds going off previous MRP lists - you've got to pretty much kill the guy to get severe.

Well he mightn't have left the ground, but he did put his elbow out. The difference would probably be whether he was pointing it at Kav's back or if he simply put it up to defend himself. The fact he didn't put his hands out, and used his arm instead is why it could be reckless.