Wall's is at it again

[NikkiNoo]

Just on the Couch talked about the little section of the second quarter where bassett marked it on the outer wing and then we proceed to pass the ball backwards. Walls said he was at the game, obviously he didn't think to glance towards the Crows forward line to see 5 extra Richmond players in our forward fifty.

Maybe he should be having a go at Wallace for doing that flood and not Neil Craig and our players that actually had a brain to notice those players and not play into Richmonds hands?

 

[Drummond]

But to be honest, I am so sick of the Crows playing negative football. You can’t put the blame squarely on Richmond considering the Crows are notorious for shutting down and playing negative football.

Against Brisbane we went into shutdown mode for about 10 minutes in the second quarter, as we did last Friday night. When we play direct, attacking football we’re a much better side.

 

[swanfan]

I agree Nikki. He is always on Adelaide's back when we retain possesion but when other sides do it to us, he finds it perfectly acceptable. I put it on mute if I am watching a game at home because you know that whatever is going to come out of his mouth is going to be absolute tripe.

I think never getting a coaching gig again must really eat away at him.

 

[relapse]

Walls is an idiot because last year, I distinctly remember him saying all game during the Richmond Adelaide game last year "I am really enjoying this" even thoug Richmond were playing the most boring gameplan in the history of football. Joel Bowden kept kicking it to someone and getting the ball kicked back to him and Walls was sitting there saying how great it was.

The guy only enjoys it when the non vic teams are getting beaten especially West Coast and Adelaide, he has hated Adelaide from his days as Richmond coach for some reason.

It's pretty obvious that he has no idea if he claims that, I am going to watch it later cos I am recording it through IQ and if I hear Walls on talkback I am going to ring and take him to task about it.

 

[NikkiNoo]

It probably has a little to do with him being sacked as coach of Richmond after a 137 point loss we inflicted on him in 1997.

 

[kimirocks]

It probably has a little to do with him being sacked as coach of Richmond after a 137 point loss we inflicted on him in 1997.

Just an incy little bit.

 

[swanfan]

It probably has a little to do with him being sacked as coach of Richmond after a 137 point loss we inflicted on him in 1997.

There are special people he can see to try and rid himself of that bitterness.

 

[raikkonen]

It probably has a little to do with him being sacked as coach of Richmond after a 137 point loss we inflicted on him in 1997.

Oh that was a great night. My 11th birthday, I remember it vividly! One of my favourite games Ive been to.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

But to be honest, I am so sick of the Crows playing negative football. You can’t put the blame squarely on Richmond considering the Crows are notorious for shutting down and playing negative football.

Against Brisbane we went into shutdown mode for about 10 minutes in the second quarter, as we did last Friday night. When we play direct, attacking football we’re a much better side.

Sorry I must be following the wrong side .....yes we start our attacks with players behind the ball much like rugby style ......surging forward with hard running and precise kicking.handball.


It is a far cry from the inching forward kick by kick ....slow and painful ....seen by most Vic clubs.

Sorry I do not see it as negative footy but in fact it is an exciting rebounding style.

Yes we hold it up when the run of play is going against us ....or we haven''t been able to run & gun off HB .....OR if the opposition has flooded.

But negative .......I'll have to disagree

 

[smoovy]

The whole point he was trying to make is wrong.

He tried to say that the 'tempo' football the crows were playing let Richmond back in the game, but this wasn't the case at all. The Crows only went to that style AS A RESULT of Richmond getting back in the game, it is not WHY Richmond got back in the game.

The footage they showed on the couch of the ball being passed from the wing to CHB was halfway through the 2nd qtr where Richmond had just put on about 4 goals in 10 minutes.

The Crows play this style simply to halt the oppositions momentum and they only ever do it for a few minutes. There are far greater reasons than this as to why the Crows play badly at times...we shouldn't waste our time focusing on when they play 'tempo'.

 

[bus24]

Then went on to suggest that Terry Tan is doing a good thing by not flooding.

But yet in the piece of play he highlighted, bagging us for kicking backwards, there was not a Richmond player in their own half of the ground.

 

[King Elvis]

I stopped listening to their crap.

It always happens - the other team floods our forward-line, we hold onto the ball until we see an opening; and then we get bagged for hanging onto it instead of bombing into a flooded forward line.

Most times, our posession footy is in response to them flooding.

 

[-CG-]

Those comments are similar to those that Andrew Jarman made tonight on ch10.

He said he doesn't like to see the Crows to chip the ball around, apparently we do it every qtr. Yet the vision they showed was part way through the 2nd qtr where Richmond were watching up. We had every right to slow the game down at that point.

He also mentioned that we play more attacking football when we play away from AAMI and kick higher scores, he mentioned Brisbane a couple of weeks ago. We scored 100 points v Brisbane and 99 v Richmond. Someone needs to get their facts right

 

[beck*]

What's negative about retaining possesion?

 

[ShearMagic9]

Yes Robert, lets just kick the ball to a contest where we are outnumbered 2-1, instead of kicking to the easy option, so that we dont play boring football

 

[brucetiki]

It probably has a little to do with him being sacked as coach of Richmond after a 137 point loss we inflicted on him in 1997.

No doubt about it I reckon.

One day I want to invent a real-life ****er alarm (Fast Forward did a sketch on it), so that whenever Walls talks, he gets drowned out by the ****er alarm yelling out ****ER ****ER ****ER ****ER.

Walls' commentary normally consists of **** **** **** toss toss toss I'm a hasbeen coach that's still bitter about being sacked 10 years ago.

 

[beck*]

I think he must've been sitting behind me at the game, but disguised himself as an old lady... Every 5 minutes on Friday, "Oh, this is boring football"

 

[Tas]

Ahh, Wallsy, he takes pride of place in the middle of my avatar.

 

[Damp Squarie]

It looks like Tim Lane on the left...tell me its Roochy!

People need to get over our tempo football including the supporters.
It obviously works enough to draw the flood out of the forward line, I reckon its a great tactic that we didnt invent but seem to have mastered.

 

[jenny61_99]

I am not a huge fan of tempo footy either - especially when we **** it up and the opposition scores a goal (ala Brisbane last week). I actually asked the players who instigates the slow down - them or Craigy and they said a bit of both. When they feel they are losing control or they are just plain buggered they will slow it down. Sometimes it frustrates them too (especially when they **** it up) - apparently when Mattner messed it up against Brisbane (and they went on to score a goal) one of the guys was yelling at him "kick the ball Marty, kick the ****ing ball!" So now that I understand the reasoning behind it, it is not so bad EXCEPT when our execution of it comes undone.

 

[Tas]

It looks like Tim Lane on the left...tell me its Roochy!

People need to get over our tempo football including the supporters.
It obviously works enough to draw the flood out of the forward line, I reckon its a great tactic that we didnt invent but seem to have mastered.

Yes, it is Tim "North should move to Tasmania but I have no evidence to support it is viable" Lane.

 

[rayven]

It probably has a little to do with him being sacked as coach of Richmond after a 137 point loss we inflicted on him in 1997.

Goes back further.

The first thing he did in the media upon returning from the bears was proudly tell everyone we were soft.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I hate tempo football.

First, let's take the blinkers off - we didn't start chipping the ball around because Richmond had flooded back. We did it because Richmond had strung together a few goals and were on a bit of a roll. It is a tactic we've seen a few times now that when the other team has the momentum we try to waste a bit of time, retain possession, take the wind out of their sails and stop them getting on a match-winning run.

I hate it that we react in this way. I'd much rather our response be to lift our intensity around the ball, win some contested footy ourselves, lay some tackles, get some clearances... and hit back where it counts. I think we are a good enough side to do this and don't understand why we resort to tempo football in order to cut our losses.

 

[smoovy]

Walls' article in the age today

Fans despise it, but ugly football has its upside

Robert Walls | May 22, 2007

WE WILL never know, but could the Saints have won last Saturday night's game against the Hawks had they played a more attacking brand of football?
Both teams loaded their back lines, the Saints more so, and as a result, plenty of people who witnessed the event felt bored, frustrated and cheated. Talkback callers said they wouldn't pay again to watch what was served up. My neighbour, a Saints fan, said he'd rather see his team beaten by 10 goals as long as they kicked a few themselves.
Football is changing and plenty of fans don't like what they are seeing. Low scoring, uncontested, keepings-off football doesn't entertain or excite, but coaches continue to serve it up. Not all the time, but when they believe it will advantage their team.
A couple of years ago, Sydney coach Paul Roos was criticised for having his team play "ugly" football. With a premiership in 2005 and almost another in '06, it would be a foolish man who would knock Roos' reasoning. The Swans also can play some exciting, high-scoring football.
The new-age coaches have introduced tempo football — you play fast or slow depending on the opposition, your personnel, the ground conditions, the scoreboard and the time of the game. Players are far more programmed than 25 years ago, when it was basically go or try to go flat out from start to finish.
In Adelaide last Friday, Neil Craig's Crows flew out of the blocks with seven goals in the first quarter. In the second, they kicked one, and unbelievably had only 10 long kicks. They would have had a lot more kicks that went backwards than long and forwards. But why?
Perhaps Craig feels no team can sustain the impetus in modern football to kick 28 goals in a game, so players take the heat out by slowing the tempo and denying opponents the ball. By chipping the ball around backwards and sideways, there is no gut-busting running, and the opposition can't score if it doesn't have the ball. Trouble is, it's not always easy to flick on the fast switch.
I believe Adelaide's slowdown in the second quarter helped the Tigers get back into the game, and the Crows got a hell of a fright when scores were level in the final 20 minutes. That they only won by nine points — at home, against a far less experienced and talented Tigers team — should be cause for concern. Had the Crows gone for the throat in the second term, it could well have been game over by half-time.
Coaches today have more control over what happens on the field than ever before and the game suffers as a spectacle because of it.

Kangaroos coach Dean Laidley has let his players play in 2007, and more power to him. Last year, the Roos were weighed down with instructions to chip the ball around in the back half, and as a result they kicked low scores, lost games and were awful to watch. Over summer, they committed to go for broke — to attack, move the ball on quickly and to kick long to contests inside the forward 50 arc. The result is they are winning, kicking lots of goals and are fantastic to watch.
In Saturday night's snail race at the MCG, Leigh Fisher had a career-high 32 disposals in the Saints' back line. He took 18 marks but none in a contest. Some scribes, including this one, refused to put him in the Saints' top four. Why? Because he didn't win a ball in a contest. Used by his coach as a spare man in defence, Fisher had a relatively easy job. Sure, he needed to read play, fill holes and present wide to be used as the Saints played keepings off, but it went against the grain of what us oldies believe football is all about. Perhaps it's us who have to change.
Put yourself in Ross Lyon's shoes. He knows an AFL season is a marathon, not a sprint. The results in round eight are quickly forgotten; it's what happens in September that counts. With a decimated list, Lyon needs his team to "hang in" until the mid-season break. At four wins and four losses, it is doing that.
Ten senior players are missing. Brendon Goddard won't return. Max Hudghton, Matt Maguire and Jason Gram will strengthen the defence. And how much improved will the midfield be when the Clarke brothers, Steven Baker, Lenny Hayes and Andrew Thompson return? Throw in "Doc" Clarke to the ruck, and perhaps even get back Aaron Hamill, and it is a new team with a multitude of options.
When Roos was widely criticised for having his team play ugly football, he didn't buckle. He kept his faith in what he thought was right. Ultimately, he had the last laugh, and after a 72-year drought delivered a premiership to the Bloods. Right by his side throughout all that was Lyon.
The criticism Lyon is receiving will be water off a duck's back. He will be looking at the positives. Youngsters are being given precious game time. Older players will be learning new tricks. There was not much defence in the Saints of recent years, and when the opposition got on a run, it couldn't be stopped. Lyon is ensuring his Saints won't get blown away.
As much as most of us didn't like what we saw on Saturday night, think of the last two low-scoring, fiercely contested grand finals. They were enthralling affairs.

We only started slowing it down once Richmond were already back in the game you blithering idiot!

They kicked 4 goals in 10 minutes, it was tactics in response to Richmonds run on. It's called halting momentum.

 

[jmorg1]

Yeah, does sound a little strange. He makes it sound like the reason that Richmond got a bit of a run on in the second quarter was because we were about to slow the game down later.

And then goes on to imply that the reason Richmond drew level in the final quarter was because we slowed the game down in the second quarter.

In short, everything that went wrong for the Crows against Richmond was because we slowed the game down and chipped it around for a couple of minutes in the second quarter.

I think he should have also mentioned that the reason Roo re-aggravated his back was because we were planning in advance to slow things down and chip the ball around in the second quarter in the game we were planning on bringing him back in.