Warner

[thecatattack]

He won't. As long as world pitches continue to liven up after a disgracefully poor decade, Warner will never amount to anything more than a flat track bully and punisher of poor attacks.

Basically a poor man's Matt Hayden. And Hayden is the most overrated Australian batsman of all time.

Can't tell if troll or just really stupid.

 

[Caesar]

Can't tell if troll or just really stupid.

I forgot that this forum has a massive hardon for flashy batsmen who crumble when the going gets tough.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I forgot that this forum has a massive hardon for flashy batsmen who crumble when the going gets tough.

like in Hobart....

 

[Father Jack]

Well, Warner has twice scored tons when the batting order has pretty much collapsed, so he's doing okay so far.

 

[Furn]

Flat track bully the most overrated term in world cricket

I know, who would have thought a batsman would make more runs on flat pitches and facing poor bowling.

As for Warner it's way too early to say either way.

 

[CHIEF SMACKAHOE]

I know, who would have thought a batsman would make more runs on flat pitches and facing poor bowling.

it's when they don't make runs anywhere else that they become a flat track bully

 

[Tiff]

Flat track bully. What a silly term.

 

[dr nick]

If anything he makes runs in bowling conducive conditions. It eats up the Victorians inside

 

[BarneyBent]

If anything he makes runs in bowling conducive conditions. It eats up the Victorians inside

This. Warner has made his scores in team totals in which pretty much every other batsman failed. To call him a flat track bully on the basis of his career to date is downright bizarre, as he has been the very opposite.

 

[The Passenger]

I forgot that this forum has a massive hardon for flashy batsmen who crumble when the going gets tough.

such as scoring around about 50% of the teams runs in two innings so far...

dave is the sort of batsmen he is... he'll score runs when no one else does, he'll fail in inings when everyone else fails... he'll score runs when everyone else does and he'll fail when the rest of the team score runs...

he'll be very hard to predict.

outstanding start to this career.... if it keeps going it will be a huage advantage to australia...

 

[BluesMan]

We need a bloke who scores runs, simple. Doesn't have to 'grind' out the innings. Since when is that on the checking list? If he scores runs, at a good average, he plays. Simple.

Well done dave. Can't wait to see you perform all over the world.

 

[The Passenger]

Warner is a spud defensively - always has been, always will be. If we take him to England, every innings we will be one down for not very many.

that's the sort of prediction people get very very very nervous about in the real world.

 

[The Speaker]

Warner is a spud defensively - always has been, always will be. If we take him to England, every innings we will be one down for not very many.

Bookmarked.

 

[Rumblah#16]

Still don't like him.

Great innings, but it's an ODI innings. He is still garbage defensively, and it will cost us time and time again when a test innings is needed.

I don't care how good offensively a batsman is - if he can't see off the first 20 overs against quality bowling on a hostile pitch, I don't want him to open

Couldn't agree more.

 

[The Passenger]

Easts junior sides have played in the South Sydney comp for many years, because there's only four clubs (although this is largely the result of some very, very dodgy deals done between Souths and Balmain in the 50's that left Easts with only four clubs, Bondi, Clovelly, Paddington and St Charles, whilst clubs such as Coogee, Coogee-Randwick, Kensington, Moore Park, Matraville are all classed as Souths, whilst Souths also inherited most of Newtowns clubs when they left the comp).

And I know of people who've gone to play for clubs in that area such as Randwick, UNSW in green shield cos they were no chance in their own districts.

As an area of ********s, as you put it, no surprise it's about the only area Rugby Union thrives!

I know when we played junior reps the area was basically represented by 'South Eastern' which seemed to represent Easts, Randwick, St George etc.

The amount of grade clubs both there and on the north shore of Sydney (North Sydney, Mosman, Gordon etc) seems to be a relic of previous times really, population is largely based away from those areas.

The private school point is a good one. Sport in NSW and especially Sydney (apart, of course, from Yawnion) is very much dominated by those from more working class backgrounds. In part it's probably because private schools cherry pick rugby talent and dont care about others, and if you arent at a private school rugby types dont look at you (which is why they have barely any indiginous players). There's a certain hunger born out of, well, more towards the working class end of the spectrum that cant seem to be replicated by those from the more privaliged (sp) backgrounds.

can't disagree with much of that at all to be honest.

interestingly north sydney have struggled in recent times in grade cricket so they are probaly suffering from a lack of talent in the immediate area as well...

re; indigenous kids, it's interesting, but also sad that a lot of the eastern subrubs schools "communities" have expressed "concerns" about the influx of indigineous and islander boys into the private school systems who have been recruited to come play rugby union...

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Couldn't agree more.

Lol.

..

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

This board is so boring and conservative sometimes. We have to squash anyone with some flair who is different, same reason so many posters here were scared about us taking 4 pacemen to the WACA.

God no, don't try that it's not normal! Please..

 

[The Speaker]

This board is so boring and conservative sometimes. We have to squash anyone with some flair who is different, same reason so many posters here were scared about us taking 4 pacemen to the WACA.

God no, don't try that it's not normal! Please..

Not exactly confined to this board.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Not exactly confined to this board.

No, but it wouldn't make much sense if I commented about a completely seperate board. Still, you're right

 

[THRILLHO]

Hope Warner went back to the dressing room and kicked himself for that dismissal.

He had the field spread, a double century for the taking, and India absolutely at a loss as to where to bowl to him.

His dismissal precipitated a batting collapse and if India weren't so disinterested it might have hurt Australia.

When you're in you need to feast.

It was annoying listening to the Ch 9 commentators wank on about how revolutionary Warner is, rather than one of them mention he threw away a double century, especially as it came in the shadows of Clarke's 329*.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Agree with thrillho's post, he definitely should be kicking himself for that. I said to my brother at the time that the only way Warner will miss out on 200 is if he throws it away, then 2-3 balls later he did.

Having said that, he played that way the whole innings and scored 180, so it's probably unreasonable to complain too much.

 

[Rattlesnake]

All Warner's knock did was convince T20 aspirants that the style of batting required in that format can work in the Test arena.

Having said that, at what point do other qualities become heavily considered? People can call for Warner's head, as well as Ponts and Huss, but who else ranks as a competent replacement in the field?

Catches win Matches

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Obviously he has some issues to work on defensively, but really, guys like Sehwag, Gayle and Jayasuria have never been renowned for their defensively solidarity, and all have had excellent test careers. They're at the opposite end of the spectrum, in that you can win a test match in half an hour just as much as you can lose one. It's some ability to be able to completely demoralise an attack in the space of ten overs.

We'll find out more against South Africa especially, and obviously outside Australia, but he is such a uniquely talented cricketer that I hope we stick through the few inevitable low scores.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

All Warner's knock did was convince T20 aspirants that the style of batting required in that format can work in the Test arena.

I think there have been numerous batsmen prove that aggressive opening can work in test matches. Sehwag has made three test double tons in less than 200 balls, has 8000 test runs and is the best "big hundred" player since Lara. Yet no one would ever trust him to see off a new ball defensively, but he takes opening bowlers out of their comfort zones.

Having said that, at what point do other qualities become heavily considered? People can call for Warner's head, as well as Ponts and Huss, but who else ranks as a competent replacement in the field?

Catches win Matches

Warner is a quite superb fielder and athlete, definitely agree with this.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

All Warner's knock did was convince T20 aspirants that the style of batting required in that format can work in the Test arena.

I didn't see his 76 runs today, but I saw his 104 yesterday and he didn't get them batting T20 style, he made them with solid aggressive legitimate cricket strokes. He picked the correct shot for the type of ball he faced, he didn't manufacture anything. I didn't once see him turn himself inside out for a reverse sweep, or any other insane T20 shot.