Warnock Nominates Carlton

[E Shed]

Still not enough.

Throw in pick 42 and we'd think about it.

We'll throw Warnock to Melbourne via the PSD. West Coast won't have a pick in the PSD because their list is full.

Then we'll go about throwing our huge amount of space in the salary cap to every uncontracted player in the country. Using the PSD as a threat because Warnock will use up pick 1.

We might even target some uncontracted Carlton players. Its just business.

Very good

 

[Lach72]

He has a head like a ****ING orange....

Heh heh.

he looks too tall to be Rick James

 

[CrippsonBlue]

Actually the answer to that may well be yes. There will come a time when some of your WA players want to come home, or the WA teams try to poach some of your players. And this is quite possible, considering all the money you are going to have to spend on Warnock, Gibbs, Fevola, Murphy, Kreuzer, Judd etc. etc.

What about the other players? I'm sure you'll be happy in a few years time when we pick the best out of Bower/Armfield/Browne/Benjamin/Ellard/08 draftees, and offer them double what you will pay them, minus the carton of VB that Carlton get as compensation.

While what you say is true, it still won't come into the minds of Carlton. We won't be nice to Freo now, so that if we possibly have to deal with you in the future, you will return the favour.

Carlton will be thinking about now; theres no assurance you will be as nice if we do deal with you in a year or more again. I didn't see Hawthorn looking to try and get the number one pick to give you guys for Croad, after you generously handed it to them.

Still not enough.

Throw in pick 42 and we'd think about it.

We'll throw Warnock to Melbourne via the PSD. West Coast won't have a pick in the PSD because their list is full.

Then we'll go about throwing our huge amount of space in the salary cap to every uncontracted player in the country. Using the PSD as a threat because Warnock will use up pick 1.

We might even target some uncontracted Carlton players. Its just business.

Again, this is what you want, not what will happen. Carlton won't even offer Browne, let alone another pick, I was just making the point.

As I said, posters on this board may be happy for him to go for nothing, but the people making the decisions won't. Carlton don't lose if a deal isn't done mate, Freo on the other hand do.

 

[prattsta]

You mean like how we believed the threat of West Coast letting Judd walk into the PSD, and Richmond picking him up for nothing?

Not exactly, more like how you gave WC compensation for Judd when you apparently didn't need to. If he could've just walked to you in the PSD why trade for him? Whether the Richmond threat was real or not, it was still there.

Melbourne have a selection before you in the PSD, they have already made it clear they want him. Hell, even Fremantle have a selection before you in the PSD if we want to be a#%holes about it.

Freo is the one team that aren't in a position to use this threat, and have anyone seriously believe it. At the very least, even if you were serious, and went through with it, I am sure Carlton would think it a reasonable gamble to take.

It's a reasonable gamble if you are happy to miss out on Warnock. Maybe you are, I don't work at Carlton so I wouldn't know.

Freo supporters should be glad he didn't nominate Melbourne (If its true that he did nominate Carlton), otherwise then you would be lucky to get a third round pick.

Agreed, though I'd of been happier if he hadn't nominated anyone at all.

Not trying to be arrogant either guys. If you get say pick 24 and Browne, good luck to you, and I won't be bitter. However, knowing it's a business, the only way I can see this happening is if Carlton decide to be 'nice' which just doesn't happen in buisnesses.

It's not about being nice, it's about making the smartest decision for the club. If Carlton want Warnock they are going to have to compensate Fremantle. What that compensation is will depend on how much Carlton want to secure Warnocks signature.

 

[rgauci]

While what you say is true, it still won't come into the minds of Carlton. We won't be nice to Freo now, so that if we possibly have to deal with you in the future, you will return the favour.

Carlton will be thinking about now; theres no assurance you will be as nice if we do deal with you in a year or more again. I didn't see Hawthorn looking to try and get the number one pick to give you guys for Croad, after you generously handed it to them.



Again, this is what you want, not what will happen. Carlton won't even offer Browne, let alone another pick, I was just making the point.

As I said, posters on this board may be happy for him to go for nothing, but the people making the decisions won't. Carlton don't lose if a deal isn't done mate, Freo on the other hand do.

No this is what you want. We have the upper hand. Satisfy Fremantle's needs or watch him walk, either back to us, or to Melbourne.

 

[Memories]

It's much better us losing pick 24 and losing warnock but having him play for a crap team - compared to him going to carlton and them being the team we have to defeat to win a premiership.

Sure getting _something_ may help us get more wins, but what is the point of getting more wins if it isn't to hit top 4 with a good chance of winning the GF? Carlton are going to be the new hawthorn in 2 or 3 years, making them stronger isn't worth it for us. If the deal favours us, then trade him to Carlton. Any deal favoring future premiership contenders should be thrown out.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

That's illogical

Dude, I think you're beating your head against a wall. Just be happy that your administrators won't be as stupid.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

In a perfect world, teams would get properly compensated for players. Its a buisness though, and it aint gunna happen.

Sucks for Freo, and I would be p^ssed if it were my team, but why would Carlton bend over backwards? What just to be nice, or do the right thing?

Fact is, if he has turely nominated Carlton, then Carlton only have to offer pick 24. You guys can take it, or let him go to Melbourne for nothing.

You get screwed over in the first scenario, but you get arse r*ped in the second. It's a buisness guys, Freo need picks, and would be persecuted if they let a talent like Warnock go for nothing, especially with your history.

Carlton won't lose sleep if we don't get Warnock for pick 24, and heads won't roll. Not sure the same can be said about Freo if you let him go for nothing - Some posters might say they are willing for that to happen, but the powers that be at Freo won't be sharing your sentiments.

What he said

 

[Tony_Clifton]

If Warnock has nominated Carlton, then he can either play for Carlton or Melbourne. Nominating Carlton does not rule out him going to Melbourne. Melbourne can still come to the party.

 

[rgauci]

Adelaide get: Pick 6, A Thomson
Adelaide lose: Pick 10, pick 28

Port get: J.Carr, pick 28
Port Lose: N.Krakouer, A Thomson

Carlton get: R.Warnock, pick 10
Carlton lose: Pick 6, pick 24

Fremantle get: N.Krakouer, pick 24
Fremantle lose: R.Warnock, J.Carr

 

[Belnakor]

As I said, posters on this board may be happy for him to go for nothing, but the people making the decisions won't. Carlton don't lose if a deal isn't done mate, Freo on the other hand do.

of course carlton lose. You guys are going to look like utter morons if 2 years down the track he is a superstar of the comp, and you refused to give up a high pick so he went into the PSD.

 

[Bosun]

of course carlton lose. You guys are going to look like utter morons if 2 years down the track he is a superstar of the comp, and you refused to give up a high pick so he went into the PSD.

No Carlton still dont lose. You cant lose what you dont have. Personally I dont care what happens as Warnock literally hasnt dont much at AFL level, all this is going on potential.

I would be very pissed off if we offered more than #24. If Freo dont like it fine let him walk into the PSD and be picked up by melbourne. It would also be stupid of Freo to waste their PSD pick and grabbing him again, hes made it pretty clear he doesnt want to play there, is there any point keeping a player that doesnt want to play for you?

 

[oerf]

No Carlton still dont lose. You cant lose what you dont have. Personally I dont care what happens as Warnock literally hasnt dont much at AFL level, all this is going on potential.

I would be very pissed off if we offered more than #24. If Freo dont like it fine let him walk into the PSD and be picked up by melbourne. It would also be stupid of Freo to waste their PSD pick and grabbing him again, hes made it pretty clear he doesnt want to play there, is there any point keeping a player that doesnt want to play for you?

If Carlton are starting the negotiations at pick 24, you can be sure they are willing to give up more.

Warnock has not said he doesn't want to play at Fremantle. He has said he wants to return to Victoria. There is a difference.

 

[bodazoka]

I rekon pick 24 is pretty reasonable, you got him for pick 42. Fair enough theres all the development but still pick 24 is reasonable. Pick 19 from melbourne is a bargain if it happens.

 

[CrippsonBlue]

of course carlton lose. You guys are going to look like utter morons if 2 years down the track he is a superstar of the comp, and you refused to give up a high pick so he went into the PSD.

And we would look like utter morons if we gave a high pick for him, and he turned out to be a dud...

What you're saying can imply to every club that don't offer a top pick if him turning into a superstar eventuates. We wouldn't look stupid, it would look stupid if he did turn into a superstar, and Freo let him go for nothing.

Anyway, just trying to add a bit of reason. It's your board, and its all just speculative anyway, who knows what will happen.

My answer is not what I want to happen, its just what I can see happening from a buisness sense. Like I said, if you get pick 24 and then some, good luck to you guys.

 

[oerf]

I rekon pick 24 is pretty reasonable, you got him for pick 42. Fair enough theres all the development but still pick 24 is reasonable. Pick 19 from melbourne is a bargain if it happens.

Logic like that would see Dean Cox traded for a 6th rounder (he was only a rookie upgrade, so it's pretty reasonable)

 

[Alfonz]

Adelaide get: Pick 6, A Thomson
Adelaide lose: Pick 10, pick 28

Port get: J.Carr, pick 28
Port Lose: N.Krakouer, A Thomson

Carlton get: R.Warnock, pick 10
Carlton lose: Pick 6, pick 24

Fremantle get: N.Krakouer, pick 24
Fremantle lose: R.Warnock, J.Carr

I like it from our perspective but Port would not be very happy. And Adelaide would be laughing. These 4-way scenarios hardly ever happen, but it does show how our trade week could be complicated ... trying to juggle Carr/Warnock/maybe Mundy around will be hard work. What we want from one trade might be contingent on what we get for another, etc. etc. Could keep going around in circles and get nowhere.

 

[freodog]

I don't get it. Everyone from Carlton reckon's pick 6 is too much to offer but if a 206cm 97kg Ruckman with endurance who can play like a midfielder was in this year's national draft they would be dreaming that he would drop to pick No. 6.

 

[Gibba]

Thats good. We can bargain better and threaten to let him walk into the PSD if they dont offer what we want.

Yep that's very clever, as you guys would end up with nothing whilst Warnock joins his second preferred club

 

[Gibba]

Still not enough.

Throw in pick 42 and we'd think about it.

We'll throw Warnock to Melbourne via the PSD. West Coast won't have a pick in the PSD because their list is full.

Then we'll go about throwing our huge amount of space in the salary cap to every uncontracted player in the country. Using the PSD as a threat because Warnock will use up pick 1.

We might even target some uncontracted Carlton players. Its just business.

People don't understand that Carlton's desperation to get Judd last year does not relate to this Warnock situation. Carlton hold the cards here, they would not be willing to give up the farm for a unproven ruckman as opposed to a proven superstar in Judd. Fremantle supporters can whinge all they want but the fact is that if they don't take what Carlton offer, they'll end up with nothing unless Richmond would be willing to give up the farm for him.

Hence either pick 24 or Steven Browne!

 

[ImperialPurple]

I don't get it. Everyone from Carlton reckon's pick 6 is too much to offer but if a 206cm 97kg Ruckman with endurance who can play like a midfielder was in this year's national draft they would be dreaming that he would drop to pick No. 6.

Totally. He's a 200 game player for whichever club gets him.

Pick 6

or

Pick 24 + Browne

or

Get another low-mid second rounder and send us Pick 24 + that (ie 2 x 2nd rounders in the 20s)

or

Trade a player out for a pick around #10 and send us that.

 

[Gibba]

of course carlton lose. You guys are going to look like utter morons if 2 years down the track he is a superstar of the comp, and you refused to give up a high pick so he went into the PSD.

Perfect example of sour grapes, it's actually the opposite . You'll look like idiots if Fremantle didn't accept our 24 pick (as there is a somewhat even probabilty that this guy could be a superstar as well)!

 

[Memories LoveChild]

Assuming pick 6 is off the table in any form, it would be good if the baggers looked at giving us Armfield or got another 2nd round pick so we got say pick 24 and something under 30.

If we can snag a 3rd rounder for Josh Carr say pick 38 or whatever Port's pick is that would give us a massive injection of young kids.

If we could somehow get Rich as well, trade Pav, Sandi and Roger for high picks, we would be looking at a premiership next year, so long as we get Cousins in the PSD and keep everyones body fat below 8%.

 

[Gibba]

Totally. He's a 200 game player for whichever club gets him.

Pick 6

or

Pick 24 + Browne

or

Get another low-mid second rounder and send us Pick 24 + that (ie 2 x 2nd rounders in the 20s)

or

Trade a player out for a pick around #10 and send us that.

Decent trade suggestions however he is definitely not a guarenteed 200 gamer by any means. The Pick 24 and Browne trade is probably the best in our perspective but i much rather keep Browne who is very underrated.

 

[BigWardy12]

I don't get it. Everyone from Carlton reckon's pick 6 is too much to offer but if a 206cm 97kg Ruckman with endurance who can play like a midfielder was in this year's national draft they would be dreaming that he would drop to pick No. 6.

It comes down to Victorian fans not paying any attention to us for the last 2 years. But i reckon officials from the vic club would have been watching him pretty closely so we should get a much better deal that carlton fans on here think we will.