Player Watch Wayne Milera

[GreyCrow]

An interesting comparison today by Tredrea in an Advertiser article comparing McLeod/ Cameron 50 game stats.

Both are very very similar. The one that did catch my eye ,and one we should be mindful of with Wayne ,is that both only had 2 and 1 20 disposal game in their first 50 games.

 

[Sanders]

An interesting comparison today by Tredrea in an Advertiser article comparing McLeod/ Cameron 50 game stats.

Both are very very similar. The one that did catch my eye ,and one we should be mindful of with Wayne ,is that both only had 2 and 1 20 disposal game in their first 50 games.

McLeod played as a forward pocket and then was moved to a running spot off half back in 97

Don't think there is much useful to learnt by looking at his first 50 games before he was let off the leash

 

[Brentmeister]

McLeod played as a forward pocket and then was moved to a running spot off half back in 97

Don't think there is much useful to learnt by looking at his first 50 games before he was let off the leash

So what you're saying is that we should move Charlie to HBF? Sounds fine to me.

 

[Paladin]

... as long as signing Milera doesn't prevent us from keeping McGovern and Lever.

How many flags have we won this decade? Fitting a number of good players in the salary cap shouldnt be an issue.

 

[craig crowing]

On the surface at this current stage looking at first year and 2 nd year players playing currently we maybe have not done as well with our high draft picks as we have done so well with low picks over the years.. As Milera as much as excites us really has not put a real game performance yet and Doedee all be it has injury not close to selection and with many first year players doing well it seems ours are long way away.
Yes know too early to show if successful or not but just using my views with the fact that Milera has not moved on from showing glimpses last year and not gone past that.

 

[FantasticShirt]

On the surface at this current stage looking at first year and 2 nd year players playing currently we maybe have not done as well with our high draft picks as we have done so well with low picks over the years.. As Milera as much as excites us really has not put a real game performance yet and Doedee all be it has injury not close to selection and with many first year players doing well it seems ours are long way away.
Yes know too early to show if successful or not but just using my views with the fact that Milera has not moved on from showing glimpses last year and not gone past that.

He was around the mark for a rising star
nomination in round 1 coming off a modified pre-season due to knee soreness.

He's not a likely to be a player that gets 30 disposals a game every game. Racking up possessions more consistently was always going to take time, as is building an AFL body.

I think it's a good thing we haven't just dumped him in a forward pocket while he builds. He's being played all over the ground and gaining great experience as a result.

 

[Vhaluus]

How many flags have we won this decade? Fitting a number of good players in the salary cap shouldnt be an issue.

How many have port won? We all know about their salary cap issues

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I would add Paul Seedsman to that equation as well

If he can ever get on the park. Both him and Crouch are good enough to play AFL but just don't have the body for it.

 

[GreyCrow]

McLeod played as a forward pocket and then was moved to a running spot off half back in 97

Don't think there is much useful to learnt by looking at his first 50 games before he was let off the leash

Cameron has played forward and is also midfield. The point was more about tempering expectation.

I was surprised by the stat and expected there to be more 20+ games. I think this is half the battle new players face. Its a dream team mentality

 

[MRB37]

Andrew Chapel says his deal is worth over a million, so I'm guessing $350K a year?

 

[Redleg Crow]

I wouldn't describe it as scathing, but I do think the creation of threads like these for the express purpose of pulling apart the performance of a player of his age and experience to be a sign of impatience.

Or to put it another way - a thread about a key footy player for our club on a forum about our footy club.

Every draft time we go over and over about what we think of players based on a 3 minute highlights package - pulling them apart and getting disgusted at the recruiters based on guesses. He's now been here a while now, we've all seen him play, let's chat about how we think he's going. The club rates him as a massive talent, I rate him worthy of his own thread.

And the overwhelming tone of this thread is very positive. Impatient? Yeah maybe, but is there anything wrong with being interested in chatting about our top draft pick based on the actual experience of watching him?

 

[Redleg Crow]

Unfortunately, I can't see Seedsman getting enough fitness and form to play any AFL this year. This is just a bad feeling, not based on knowledge, but it doesn't look much good.

The injury seems to one where he seems further away from a return each week. Bloody frustrating.

 

[feenix67]

Given Greenwood is 25 with an elite sports background and a mature body, I'd like to see him injected and developed rather than Milera at this stage. Milera needs time at SANFL level with one objective - hunt the ball. He hardly gets big numbers in the 2's and I just think, given his age and body type, he has a long way to go and his deficiencies (intensity, ability to accept contact, staying in the game) are easily worked on at SANFL level.

You get the feeling Greenwood has something, and at this stage of their respective careers, I think Greenwood offers more than Jnr.

 

[Elite Crow]

Given Greenwood is 25 with an elite sports background and a mature body, I'd like to see him injected and developed rather than Milera at this stage. Milera needs time at SANFL level with one objective - hunt the ball. He hardly gets big numbers in the 2's and I just think, given his age and body type, he has a long way to go and his deficiencies (intensity, ability to accept contact, staying in the game) are easily worked on at SANFL level.

You get the feeling Greenwood has something, and at this stage of their respective careers, I think Greenwood offers more than Jnr.

Different positions though

 

[DD#23]

How many flags have we won this decade? Fitting a number of good players in the salary cap shouldnt be an issue.

exactly, convincing them to stay when we haven't made a grand final in 20 years ought to be the hard part...

 

[Jack is Back]

Everyone wants instant 50 game players. We have to accept the inconsistency in young talented players like Wayne.

I said this two years ago about Charlie Cameron when some posters were making the same comments, ditto The RAT and Matty Crouch. We have been fortunate to draft some players who have performed from game 1 (Talia, Lever even though he was dropped from the finals in 2015).

If we trade in 50 game players it cost quite a bit and we still have to "re-educate" them.

If we bite the bullet and keep playing Wayne then he will be a much better player in September.

 

[feenix67]

Different positions though

Perhaps, but you can only have so many blokes in there, and I'd rather Greenwood in the mix than Milera right now.

 

[fabs33]

Or to put it another way - a thread about a key footy player for our club on a forum about our footy club.

Every draft time we go over and over about what we think of players based on a 3 minute highlights package - pulling them apart and getting disgusted at the recruiters based on guesses. He's now been here a while now, we've all seen him play, let's chat about how we think he's going. The club rates him as a massive talent, I rate him worthy of his own thread.

And the overwhelming tone of this thread is very positive. Impatient? Yeah maybe, but is there anything wrong with being interested in chatting about our top draft pick based on the actual experience of watching him?

I've already shared my thoughts on this subject earlier to say how I believe it's unreasonable to expect a player to have changed after a handful of games, and you've already agreed that it might be impatient, so I don't think I need to add any more to this exchange.

 

[BunjiMac]

Perhaps, but you can only have so many blokes in there, and I'd rather Greenwood in the mix than Milera right now.

I disagree.

The way we play our football for the last few season has seen a shift to speed and precision. Where we've probably been let down in the past is that final delivery to the forward line.

Milera absolutely enhances that ability.

Having more players with speed and precision passing skills is exactly where our focus should be.

Not since the days of the fab four have we had multiple players that are able to move the ball and deliver well into the forward line.

 

[feenix67]

I disagree.

The way we play our football for the last few season has seen a shift to speed and precision. Where we've probably been let down in the past is that final delivery to the forward line.

Milera absolutely enhances that ability.

Having more players with speed and precision passing skills is exactly where our focus should be.

Not since the days of the fab four have we had multiple players that are able to move the ball and deliver well into the forward line.

He averages 1.3 inside 50 a game and 0.3 goal assists per game. But hey, if you wanna deal in fantasy I have some Disney DVDs to sell you

 

[Slippery Pete]

An interesting comparison today by Tredrea in an Advertiser article comparing McLeod/ Cameron 50 game stats.

Both are very very similar. The one that did catch my eye ,and one we should be mindful of with Wayne ,is that both only had 2 and 1 20 disposal game in their first 50 games.

It's such a dumb, fanciful, lazy comparison. They're not similar at all, apart from both being lightning fast.

McLeod was quite a deal more skilful than Cameron, was heavier, stronger, had much better hands and a lower centre of gravity. He was much more balanced than Charlie.

Cameron plays a lot more like Michael Long - which is great, Long was a great player in his own right, but Long played nothing like McLeod.

McLeod played as a forward pocket and then was moved to a running spot off half back in 97

Don't think there is much useful to learnt by looking at his first 50 games before he was let off the leash

Yeah this.

 

[MRB37]

He averages 1.3 inside 50 a game and 0.3 goal assists per game. But hey, if you wanna deal in fantasy I have some Disney DVDs to sell you

Heatmap says he's spending more time behind the centre square than in front of it this year. I'd say that may be just to give us another quality kick in the back half, especially with someone like Kelly working back there.

 

[feenix67]

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Heatmap says he's spending more time behind the centre square than in front of it this year. I'd say that may be just to give us another quality kick in the back half, especially with someone like Kelly working back there.

Yeah but my reply was to an argument that he provides quality delivery inside 50 which clearly he doesn't. Also, heat maps are relative. His possession count doesn't really warrant bright red.

 

[BunjiMac]

Yeah but my reply was to an argument that he provides quality delivery inside 50 which clearly he doesn't. Also, heat maps are relative. His possession count doesn't really warrant bright red.

But that was in reference to your post about preferring Greenwood.

We've been complaining for years that we have two many inside types and not enough class on the outside. I was disputing your suggestion that Greenwood is a what we need over milera because he doesn't provide these skills.

Surely you can see that milera kick is a weapon and his skills are on another level to Greenwood?

 

[feenix67]

But that was in reference to your post about preferring Greenwood.

We've been complaining for years that we have two many inside types and not enough class on the outside. I was disputing your suggestion that Greenwood is a what we need over milera because he doesn't provide these skills.

Surely you can see that milera kick is a weapon and his skills are on another level to Greenwood?

When Milera stops squibbing contests I'll be more of a fan