Roast WC Need to do Something About Their Recruiting.

[greatwhiteshark]

You have to understand that for every 100 players drafted into the AFL only a small percentage of them become the very good players we are all after, it's a bloody lottery because they are drafted to early and have not shown what they have got against men. It's like backing a 20-1 pop at the races.

 

[Galileo9]

But only one regular fixture since 2011, Mark Hutchings?

Likewise most of our traded for players have struggled to impact.

I think u r being very selective.

McGovern, sheed, now nelson. We were also a very young team back then. We aren't a team full of 30 year old players.

 

[Galileo9]

We need more more speed in the midfield,our first pick will be interesting in the next draft.
We need to draft a kpf,inside mid,speedy mid and a small forward.kpf first I think

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Wow, happy with defenders then?

 

[Play by Numbers]

You have to understand that for every 100 players drafted into the AFL only a small percentage of them become the very good players we are all after, it's a bloody lottery because they are drafted to early and have not shown what they have got against men. It's like backing a 20-1 pop at the races.

But we aren't talking even very good players, we are talking best 22.

As yet, from 6 drafts, Hutchings is the only semi-permanent fixture at the edge of the 22.

Likewise, Hutchings will mprobably be out of the side, from there only Barrass and Sheed have shown they could be best 22 role players in the short term.

 

[Monocle]

I'm mainly saying in general, but my point still stands, all these drastic calls aren't necessary for just one loss.

But thats the point that Play by Numbers was making his comments are based over a 5 year sample so its hardly random.
We have made some bad decisions at the trade table.
No one expects the team to nail every pick but the body of evidence over the last five years has been less than flattering.

 

[Play by Numbers]

I think u r being very selective.

McGovern, sheed, now nelson. We were also a very young team back then. We aren't a team full of 30 year old players.

Mcgovern was from the 2010 period.

Nelson is struggling and honestly Butler is more reliable. Sheed isn't even in the side.

Nelson may be a role player, but at the moment only Sheed and Barrass strike me as players that can get a spot and hold it.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

But we aren't talking even very good players, we are talking best 22.

As yet, from 6 drafts, Hutchings is the only semi-permanent fixture at the edge of the 22.

Likewise, Hutchings will mprobably be out of the side, from there only Barrass and Sheed have shown they could be best 22 role players in the short term.

What I am saying is that every club goes through these issues.
I will say we don't give our young players much game time though, they are recruited to simply play for East Perth for the first 3 years of their AFL journey. Then we find out they can't even dominate at WAFL level and we are stuck with them.

 

[Galileo9]

Mcgovern was from the 2010 period.

Nelson is struggling and honestly Butler is more reliable. Sheed isn't even in the side.

Nelson may be a role player, but at the moment only Sheed and Barrass strike me as players that can get a spot and hold it.

Ohh but u said development needs overhaul, McGovern didn't develop and become first team player in 2010.

Think u need to calm down a little.

 

[Play by Numbers]

What I am saying is that every club goes through these issues.
I will say we don't give our young players much game time though, they are recruited to simply play for East Perth for the first 3 years of their AFL journey. Then we find out they can't even dominate at WAFL level and we are stuck with them.

Not every club, the average to poor clubs.

Our side is made competitive by pre-2011 drafting and Mitchell.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Ohh but u said development needs overhaul, McGovern didn't develop and become first team player in 2010.

Think u need to calm down a little.

I agree, Nelson is worth persevering with and n fact I would like to see him on a wing where he can use his pace, Sheed has shown he can play but the club simply will not drop certain players so he is perceived to be below them.

 

[Play by Numbers]

Ohh but u said development needs overhaul, McGovern didn't develop and become first team player in 2010.

Think u need to calm down a little.

No, I was discussing the last 5-6 years of recruiting. McGovern falls outside that window.

I think you are wilfully ignoring how bad the clubs drafting has been.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

No, I was discussing the last 5-6 years of recruiting. McGovern falls outside that window.

I think you are wilfully ignoring how bad the clubs drafting has been.

So who would you of recruited instead of who we did with the draft picks we had that are now guns where they are playing?

 

[mattyc75]

I agree, Nelson is worth persevering with and n fact I would like to see him on a wing where he can use his pace, Sheed has shown he can play but the club simply will not drop certain players so he is perceived to be below them.

Nelson isn't overly fast

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[Play by Numbers]

So who would you of recruited instead of who we did with the draft picks we had that are now guns where they are playing?

Firstly, you can sift back through the threads yourself. I did want both Sheed and Duggan though.

However, your post is flat dumb.

I am one fan, the club has whole divisions whose focus is list improvement, including tens of dedicated expert staff focused on recruiting, plus a whole handful of professional strength, conditioning and development staff. Plus it's own affiliate WAFL league side. How is the current result acceptable?

BTW, I did not want to trade for either Redden or Jetta. Or Wellingham, though he has been an ok pickup.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Pretty funny this conversation given Brady Grey who was delisted and redrafted by the Dockers was almost the match winner tonight against the Dogs. I think given Watson, Venables or Partington have even played how can we know if they're going to develop given the surprise Grey played today?

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[Play by Numbers]

Pretty funny this conversation given Brady Grey who was delisted and redrafted by the Dockers was almost the match winner tonight against the Dogs. I think given Watson, Venables or Partington have even played how can we know if they're going to develop given the surprise Grey played today?

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Well that is part of the issue, how long till they play?

Look how Sheed and Duggan have stagnated.

 

[ChampRevesby]

Pretty funny this conversation given Brady Grey who was delisted and redrafted by the Dockers was almost the match winner tonight against the Dogs. I think given Watson, Venables or Partington have even played how can we know if they're going to develop given the surprise Grey played today?

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Im generally against playing the kids for the sake of it but how are we supposed to develop depth and flexibility if we don't at least give these guys a shot. They generally play better when they have better players around them so WAFL is not always a good indicator (and the fact that EP is a dysfunctional mess atm)

 

[Galileo9]

No, I was discussing the last 5-6 years of recruiting. McGovern falls outside that window.

I think you are wilfully ignoring how bad the clubs drafting has been.

You said recruitment and development. Look at ur posts.

Drafting or development? I don't remember any obscure picks in any of the drafts. If u want superstars from late picks, that's rare. Not just superstars, but general good afl players are hard to come by late. Stats prove this.

Barrass, sheed are good picks. Few others too early to make a call on and not really sure why u r automatically marking them as negative.

Sacking everyone is easiest thing to do and should be done if necessary. But you don't have enough info to know that. Geelong apparently best recruiters but how many have had they come through in same time? You have unrealistic expectations.

 

[Galileo9]

I agree, Nelson is worth persevering with and n fact I would like to see him on a wing where he can use his pace, Sheed has shown he can play but the club simply will not drop certain players so he is perceived to be below them.

Like who?

Do you want sheed to be played as tagger? Pretty sure Hutch does that better anyway.

 

[Monocle]

I agree, Nelson is worth persevering with and n fact I would like to see him on a wing where he can use his pace, Sheed has shown he can play but the club simply will not drop certain players so he is perceived to be below them.

greatwhiteshark I think you are highlighting a general problem that we have as a Club when we develop and trial our kids in the WAFL.
We lack creativity and imagination with trialling some of the kids in different positions. If we draft the kid as a forward then that seems to be where he is pigeon holed. For example Tom Lamb has almost zilch chance of getting a game as a third tall or KPF in the seniors so why not try him as a half back.

Lets not forget our two best ever back pocket players Wirra and Joffa Hart started out as a forward and a rover.

Both McIntosh and Jackovich played a lot of their junior football in the forward line.

We don't seem to be very bold in this regard.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Firstly, you can sift back through the threads yourself. I did want both Sheed and Duggan though.

However, your post is flat dumb.

I am one fan, the club has whole divisions whose focus is list improvement, including tens of dedicated expert staff focused on recruiting, plus a whole handful of professional strength, conditioning and development staff. Plus it's own affiliate WAFL league side. How is the current result acceptable?

BTW, I did not want to trade for either Redden or Jetta. Or Wellingham, though he has been an ok pickup.

I wasn't cracking you, just pointing out it is a lottery. aFL clubs draft potential not good footballers, while they do that and they all do then it really comes down to a lot of luck.
I would not of drafted Jetta either.
Redden has not produced what he did at Brisbane but we don't know his role and he is playing with different players.
Duggan should be playing in my view.

 

[CoastersFlag No.5]

Well that is part of the issue, how long till they play?

Look how Sheed and Duggan have stagnated.

Sheed has stagnated? I think he had nearly 40 possessions last night at WAFL admittedly. Duggan hasn't been good as we hoped so far but he is young. Alarm bells shouldn't be ringing on them just yet.

 

[CM9000]

But thats the point that Play by Numbers was making his comments are based over a 5 year sample so its hardly random.
We have made some bad decisions at the trade table.
No one expects the team to nail every pick but the body of evidence over the last five years has been less than flattering.

I don't (entirely) disagree with the post, just the overwhelming response to a single loss.

Sure, I agree we have missed a couple opportunities in regards to WA players (SPP, Mitch McGovern e.g.), but for the most part these threads are a response to the Richmond loss.

Play by Numbers could've posted this at any other time, but it had to be after that game.

 

[Play by Numbers]

Sheed has stagnated? I think he had nearly 40 possessions last night at WAFL admittedly. Duggan hasn't been good as we hoped so far but he is young. Alarm bells shouldn't be ringing on them just yet.

Yet he was dropped from the side?

As I said though, he is the only one along with Barrass who looks like he could hold down a spot.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Like who?

Do you want sheed to be played as tagger? Pretty sure Hutch does that better anyway.

Masten seems untouchable, Hill and Cripps seem the same.
I think Sheed can play as a genuine mid.