We Need Fev Like Player

[Dave The Man]

I am not talking about how he plays but I saw yesterday how he can lift a Team and get them excited and Motivated espically in the 3rd Quater Huddle and the 4th Quater,

We don't have a player that can do that and we need one

 

[mattys123]

We have two or three,

Davis; you cant tell me when he has one of those 5 minute bursts that turn a game that you aren't almost in tears of joy.

Didak; that Final against brissy in 2003, cmon, he won that game and lifted us over the line. And has done it on several occasions since.

Thomas; could be anything, is struggling a bit this year, but even non collingwood supporters see the big game, match winning ability of this bloke.

Bring on the doggies, we aint gone yet.

 

[Brent24]

Because Fev does it once, he is all of a sudden some god who can lift his side to victory every week?
If you're talking about leadership, Scott Burns is miles ahead of Fevola. If you're talking about exciting players, with big personalities, Didak and Thomas aren't bad in that group.

 

[Didakcular]

I think we just need another consistent forward to help out when Rocca and Cloke are down. Also we need our midfield to function, the only reason Fev was good yesterday was the delivery to him.

 

[Murphinator]

I think we just need another consistent forward to help out when Rocca and Cloke are down. Also we need our midfield to function, the only reason Fev was good yesterday was the delivery to him.

The delivery was good to him, but you can't just produce gun forwards like Fevola. Until the 2nd half, his accuracy was quite poor, but he has a very good conversion rate overall, especially from outside 50. There is also no denying that he is a matchwinner, and can lift his team. Take his chase against Fremantle for example. Or the goal he scored on the ground with N. Brown tackling him. Inspirational.

Leon and Thomas can lift a team, but I don't see it happen as often as someone like Fev or Judd or Pavlich/J.Brown

 

[Didakcular]

The delivery was good to him, but you can't just produce gun forwards like Fevola. Until the 2nd half, his accuracy was quite poor, but he has a very good conversion rate overall, especially from outside 50. There is also no denying that he is a matchwinner, and can lift his team. Take his chase against Fremantle for example. Or the goal he scored on the ground with N. Brown tackling him. Inspirational.

Leon and Thomas can lift a team, but I don't see it happen as often as someone like Fev or Judd or Pavlich/J.Brown

Yep exactly right, my post was not trying to run Fev down he is an elite player. When you have a player of his caliber getting good delivery it is near to impossible to stop. What Collingwood need is a player like him but more importantly good delivery from the midfield. If the balls not getting to him and in an area he can get to it then he has no hope of getting the goals.

 

[MightyMagpie]

Because Fev does it once, he is all of a sudden some god who can lift his side to victory every week?
If you're talking about leadership, Scott Burns is miles ahead of Fevola. If you're talking about exciting players, with big personalities, Didak and Thomas aren't bad in that group.

Because he does it once???

Fev's last 4 games against us he's kicked 25 goals.

2003 - 63 goals (22 games)
2004 - 66 goals (20 games)
2005 - 49 goals (19 games)
2006 - 84 goals (21 games)
2007 - 59 goals (19 games)
2008 - 50 goals (12 games)

And he even kicked 12 against us on a NYE match once. He has a thing for Collingwood, obviously.

I hate the bastard when we play them, but I enjoy watching him against other teams.

I can't stand Carlton at all.

edit: Absolutely he's a match winner, half the scores he kicked against us both times and we'd have won (add a few more to last weekends game), not to mention the week before against Port (he and Kruezer), and most likely any other team Carlton have beaten this year.

 

[MarkT]

We don’t need a Fev like player we need a Judd like player and we had a chance but couldn’t get him. If I hear the excuse about no one wanting to trade with us at the AGM one more time I will throw something.

The players we have needed have changed clubs every year and we haven’t got them. Hudson and Judd were the targets we should have chased like a premiership depended on it.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

We don’t need a Fev like player we need a Judd like player and we had a chance but couldn’t get him. If I hear the excuse about no one wanting to trade with us at the AGM one more time I will throw something..

We had no trade bait and you know it. They wanted a top five pick as a minimum. The only equivalant to that for us would be Didak or Pendlebury and then we'd have to throw in a Brown or a Reid as a sweetner.

 

[Optimax]

We had no trade bait and you know it. They wanted a top five pick as a minimum. The only equivalant to that for us would be Didak or Pendlebury and then we'd have to throw in a Brown or a Reid as a sweetner.

very much true.

But basically its not going to help you arguing with markT it will make you more frustrated im afraid

 

[MarkT]

We had no trade bait and you know it. They wanted a top five pick as a minimum. The only equivalant to that for us would be Didak or Pendlebury and then we'd have to throw in a Brown or a Reid as a sweetner.

We had to convince Chris Judd not WCE. First things first. There is always an excuse.

Rusling, Maxwell, Fraser should all have been on the table and after that it’s make an offer and we’ll consider it. Are you telling me you wouldn’t swap Reid in a Judd deal?

In my football watching life we have had 2 players that can stand in the same room as Judd. Buckley and Daicos.

 

[MarkT]

very much true.

But basically its not going to help you arguing with markT it will make you more frustrated im afraid

You ever get frustrated not winning premierships? I do.

 

[Optimax]

You ever get frustrated not winning premierships? I do.

always am i frustrated at it, but i know we are on the road to one and i never expected it to be this year.

Do you ever feel happy with the club, seriously ever? ims ure you found a negative in 1990 as well

 

[PieLebo87]

We have two or three,

Davis; you cant tell me when he has one of those 5 minute bursts that turn a game that you aren't almost in tears of joy.

Didak; that Final against brissy in 2003, cmon, he won that game and lifted us over the line. And has done it on several occasions since.

Thomas; could be anything, is struggling a bit this year, but even non collingwood supporters see the big game, match winning ability of this bloke.

Bring on the doggies, we aint gone yet.

Sadly you're incorrect. Not one of those 3 have gotten us out of a hole recently. Didak could've done that against the Roos but screwed it, and he knows that. What he did against the Lions was 5 years ago as a 19/20yo. He is now about 25.

Davis is a frontrunner who goes missing when the going gets tough. Can get needed goals when we're down, but isn't the type of player that motivates a team when its done.

Thomas has potential to be a matchwinner, but isn't one yet. He is a real goer when things are down, but thats about it so far. Potential is a scary word in footy.

As much as people hate to hear it, but Anthony Rocca is as close as we come to a motivator who can lift us when we're down, but its the truth.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I think Thomas will be such a player, and is on occasions already. The guy doesn't know how to go into his shell, as he simply doesn't have one.

 

[pendles]

very much true.

But basically its not going to help you arguing with markT it will make you more frustrated im afraid

always am i frustrated at it, but i know we are on the road to one and i never expected it to be this year.

Do you ever feel happy with the club, seriously ever? ims ure you found a negative in 1990 as well

Play the ball, not the man Opti.

MarkT's right. If we wanted him badly enough, we could have made it happen. Whilst it wouldn't have been as ready-made as Carlton's picks plus Kennedy, we had the chips to do it.

 

[Optimax]

Play the ball, not the man Opti.

MarkT's right. If we wanted him badly enough, we could have made it happen. Whilst it wouldn't have been as ready-made as Carlton's picks plus Kennedy, we had the chips to do it.

Would of decimated the list for one player.

We would of lost our starting full back in brown, a promising forward rusling/reid (losing rus may not of mattered) and we would have no devolping ruckman as we would of lost pick 14.

No matter how good judd is that trade wasnt worth it, our backline would still be leaking, or forward line would have no back up for rocca or trav well even less than now.

We couldnt make that trade happen without ____ing ourselesv five years in the future when judd is gone

 

[Kipz]

Buckley used to lift us, god i wish he was 23 again

 

[Murphinator]

Optimax - Judd is only 24 - I think he will be around longer than 5 years, serious injury prevailing.

 

[Optimax]

Optimax - Judd is only 24 - I think he will be around longer than 5 years, serious injury prevailing.

Seriously im not certain he will play on past this contract, but yes i get your point.

I meant more the fact, that id expect reid/rusling and brown to be our bookends and wood to be our number ruckman in five years in which time judd if he was still around would be declining.

We just didnt have the cattle we could sell to get judd you did this is why he went to you, he even said heart says carlton head says collingwood. He knew we were the better fit but he also knew he must look after west coast and carlton could do that at the trade table.

 

[Dundalis]

Sadly you're incorrect. Not one of those 3 have gotten us out of a hole recently. Didak could've done that against the Roos but screwed it, and he knows that. What he did against the Lions was 5 years ago as a 19/20yo. He is now about 25.

Davis is a frontrunner who goes missing when the going gets tough. Can get needed goals when we're down, but isn't the type of player that motivates a team when its done.

Thomas has potential to be a matchwinner, but isn't one yet. He is a real goer when things are down, but thats about it so far. Potential is a scary word in footy.

As much as people hate to hear it, but Anthony Rocca is as close as we come to a motivator who can lift us when we're down, but its the truth.

I agree with that last part. Rocca is and always has been our barometer. Replacing that is going to be difficult. I don't think we have one. All the players listed are capable, but simply don't do it anywhere near often enough. How often do you see Judd pop up when the game is on the line, both for Carlton and West Coast? With regularity. Fevola has done it often too. Didak has apparently done it so often, yet we keep referring to a game he changed 5 years ago? I think not. Some players have an ability to force their will upon a game when the moment requires it and it is tangible, you can see their intensity at the footy and with it lift a few notches. I haven't really seen that from the likes of Davis, Thomas and Didak. They might come up with a freakish goal or two, but they don't force their will upon a game in that manner.

For those saying Thomas is and will be that in the future, I don't think he has the skillset to be able to do it with any kind of consistency like Ablett, Judd etc. He might go on a nice long run and kick a great goal, but he's just as likely, if not more likely to go on a long run, find himself in a pickle and turn it over, or just scruff a mongrel helicopter punt onto the chest of an opposition player. His kicking simply isn't good enough for a 'potential' elite player. Has any of his kicks ever travelled end over end? And I don't want to hear about how Hird wasn't a great kick in those Hird comparisons. It's rubbish. Thomas will always be quality for what he provides, but he will always be a luxury player IMO. I don't think he will never be a central player so to speak, though I hope I'm proven wrong. We need one of those central players. Pendles also falls into the luxury player IMO, only because he lacks some of the dynamism of the other elite, a bit like Dal Santo does, though I think he'll be better than Dal Santo.

Have to say though, those kind of players aren't exactly easy to find. But I do think they are crucial or at least play a big part in winning Premierships. Hopefully we can find one.

 

[dylan_mike]

Seriously im not certain he will play on past this contract, but yes i get your point.

I meant more the fact, that id expect reid/rusling and brown to be our bookends and wood to be our number ruckman in five years in which time judd if he was still around would be declining.

We just didnt have the cattle we could sell to get judd you did this is why he went to you, he even said heart says carlton head says collingwood. He knew we were the better fit but he also knew he must look after west coast and carlton could do that at the trade table.

In 5 years he will be 29 and still one of the elite. I seriously doubt he will be on the decline.

 

[MarkT]

always am i frustrated at it, but i know we are on the road to one and i never expected it to be this year.

Do you ever feel happy with the club, seriously ever? ims ure you found a negative in 1990 as well

It is all relative. I am happy when we win. I was very happy in the first 2 finals last year. I was devastated that Ottens smashed us in the prelim and you know why – whether you agree with me or not.

1990 was a great year. I had us as a huge chance from early on when we beat Carlton and Daicos was on fire after being moved forward. We lacked goal kickers and the Marvel was the answer. We picked up Francis and Russel to address a deficiency we had tried for years to correct. In current day structural terms we moved Heath Shaw onto the ball and he became the best onballer in the comp and we added a Hudson and a backup to the ruck. Mathews identified the issues and made it happen. We drafted Francis when his contract went beyond the draft hold and we sent Gubby over to SA to make it happen. That is the difference between then and now and frankly I have never been quite satisfied since the mid 90s with the performance of our club on or off the field because we didn’t address deficiencies adequately.

The point is, to win flags you have to be at the pointy end of everything and WE don’t make enough demands and accept our failings too regularly. It is impossible that it is bad luck we haven’t won more flags since 1958. It is cultural.

 

[sirlothie]

I reckon we sit on our hands too much as well but it's not so easy these days. $ doesn't mean so much at all so to get quality you need to give quality, or strike gold in multiple drafts, ala West Coast or Geelong.

There was only 14 teams in 1990 as well, half were weak as piss and we miraculously dodged Hawthorn (ironic now isn't it... history repeats itself...) and got the wood on West Coast and Essendon when it counted.

It's a completely different ball game off-field nowadays though, but I do like how Hine thinks outside the square to try and gain a competitive edge.

Other clubs are extremely tight ass when dealing with Collingwood as well as they probably should be but one day the breaks with come our way and we will draft/land a big gun.

 

[MarkT]

I reckon we sit on our hands too much as well but it's not so easy these days. $ doesn't mean so much at all so to get quality you need to give quality, or strike gold in multiple drafts, ala West Coast or Geelong.

You are right it isn’t so easy but it isn’t so easy for everyone else and every year someone that isn’t us wins a flag.

There was only 14 teams in 1990 as well, half were weak as piss and we miraculously dodged Hawthorn (ironic now isn't it... history repeats itself...) and got the wood on West Coast and Essendon when it counted.

We had the nest side in 1990 it just took until then for it to peak with the age mix and the midfield bolstering. We should have won another flag. 1994 we were stiff over in WA. 1992 we were stiff with the finals system but intimately we proved not good enough. 1991 was a write off because we partied like we hadn’t won one for decades.

Other clubs are extremely tight ass when dealing with Collingwood as well as they probably should be but one day the breaks with come our way and we will draft/land a big gun.

Honestly this is just a pathetic excuse. Clubs will deal if they get the right deal. When we had Gubby we made the deals.

Breaks will not come our way. Breaks are irrelevant. Only ability and achievement is relevant. We will get what we earn, no more or less.