Weaver mock draft

[Groucho]

Weaver are u a Collingwood Supporter.

Richmond I believe.

 

[coasting]

the West (1 Oct):
Thirteen of the AFL clubs have conceded they won't get an opportunity to draft East Fremantle ruckman Patrick Ryder, with Carlton, Collingwood or Hawthorn set to snap him up with one of the opening selections next month.

Ryder, 17, is one of the most talented young key position players in the country and the clubs are so sure that he will be one of the first young men selected that only Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn officials interviewed him at this week's draft camp in Canberra.

The Magpies, Blues and Hawks get a priority pick after failing to win 25 per cent of their home-and-away games. Combined with their round-one selections, they will have the first six picks in the November 26 draft.

"I'd been told by a lot of people that I'd go between five and 10 but the other clubs have told me that I'm going to be much closer to the top five," said Ryder, who gained All-Australian honours at this year's national under-18s championship.

"Only Collingwood, Carlton and Hawthorn spoke to me. The others all said I'd be gone ... it adds to the pressure because you have to really perform when you're so highly rated, but I'm looking forward to it."

Sharks teammate Josh Kennedy, who's 18, was also highly sought after, with only two teams with picks outside the top 10 formally interviewing him.

St Kilda and the Roos spoke with the All-Australian key forward but most clubs felt, like Ryder, he was too good to last beyond the top 10.

Cheers guys

I think this proves that Ryder is a lock for a top 6 pick in the minds of recruiters. The fact that some later clubs still interviewed Josh Kennedy shows they think there is some chance of him slipping while they have conceded Ryder has no chance.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Cheers guys

I think this proves that Ryder is a lock for a top 6 pick in the minds of recruiters. The fact that some later clubs still interviewed Josh Kennedy shows they think there is some chance of him slipping while they have conceded Ryder has no chance.

I'm of the opinion that Ryder will go to Collingwood at pick #5, but that the lowest he could fall would be #7, given Sheedy's love of talented Aboriginal kids, and their need for another young KPP.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I think this proves that Ryder is a lock for a top 6 pick in the minds of recruiters. The fact that some later clubs still interviewed Josh Kennedy shows they think there is some chance of him slipping while they have conceded Ryder has no chance.

Very true. It doesn't prove however, that Ryder is a standout number 1 barring racism. Pretty sure that is the original point here.

 

[rubbers0ul]

great effort weave...

i think the blues will look towards murph first, seeing that the pies and hawks have a need for mids for 1st picks. That way kennedy or either ellis/hurn will still be available.

1, Murphy
2, Ellis
3, Hurn
4, Kennedy

Murph and kennedy is better than kennedy and hurn.

Im with tigertown; bunga is closer to being a superstar then murphy, he is also 10cm taller and can play on much taller opponents.

 

[Cursed Cat]

nice effort Weaver, enjoyed your reasoning behind your selections ...
I've gone through the selections up untill Geelong's 3rd pick (35th) in an effort to see who the Cats might get - I've tried to reasonably choose each teams best selection with the criteria being best available talent followed by team needs .. here's what I've come up with after a couple of mock-drafts ...


1. Carl M. Murphy
Carlton are deficient all over the ground - I reckon they'll take Murphy ahead of the best KPP
2. Coll J. Kennedy
Wakelin and Clement aren't getting any younger, Rocca too - Kennedy is versatile and mature of body, should fit the bill nicely - Pies can shore up their midfield strength with their remaining picks
3. Haw B. Dowler
Hawthorn has an opportunity to sort out it's KPP's for the next decade if they draft smart - Dowler is a natural forward and I reckon they'll take him ahead of Ryder
4. Carl S. Hurn
What Weaver said ...
5. Coll X. Ellis
Pies will hope he turns into the skilled midfielder that Didak still ain't - Ellis' versatility will appeal
6. Haw N. Jones
Nice understudy for Crawford in his twilight years
7. Ess P. Ryder
Sheedy will be salivating at the chance to add to his Aboriginal arsenal with a big-bodied, raw talent like Ryder - along with Laycock and Bradley , there would be a lot of classy young KPP's to develop
8. Rich C. Hughes
I reckon the Tiges will grab the hard working Hughes over more talented but flakey Clark
9. Bris A. Lucy
agree %100 with Weaver on this one
10. Fre A. Swallow
With some good KP talent to work with, I think Freo will grab the best local midfielder available to aid their one-paced on-ball division
11. WB T. Rischbieth
I reckon the Bulldogs would be asking for extra time right about here, and with most of the best genuine KPP's gone, I wouldn't be suprised if they took Tom and groomed him to become a versatile backman
12. Melb J. Oakley-Nichols
with some potentially big-bodied midfielders already under contract (Sylvia, McLean and Moloney) the Dees might go for more of a 'wildcard' midfielder, someone that can break up play with a bit of ingenuity
13. WCE M. Clark
Eagles will snap him up if he's slid this far (which as far as I'm concerned he will) - Woosha will make a man of him and he'll be a nice upgrade at FF
14. Haw M. Drum
Versatile and should be ready-to-go.
15. Geel D. Stanley
Cats recruiting staff reportedly keen on the big-bodied youngster
16. Adel T. Varcoe
If Hawthorn overlooks him at 14, the Crows will happily take him on board with one of their two consecutive picks
17. Adel D. Pfeiffer
agree with Weaver here too ...
18. Haw S. Pendlebury
Hawthorn have the luxury of mixing up their picks, by this stage (by my selections) they'd have a KF, a running ball magnet and a versatile 3rd backman/forward - Pendlebury would add a new dimension to the midfield as a pacy, rangy athletic type
19. Ess S. Higgins
genuine midfielder, will join Stanton and Monfries in holding the future midfield hopes for Bombers fans
20. Carl P. Bower
I've heard they are keen on Bower from a pretty good source, I'll go with the whisper on this one
21. Coll R. Douglas
after punting on Ellis' potential, the Pies will be happy to add a solid, clever small man to the list
22. Haw D. Thomas
again I agree with Weaver on this selection
23. Coll M. Spangher
solid selection at this stage, versatile player, could possibly develop into a KD, but at the very least a strong-contesting, adaptable player
24. Rich A. Obst
Wouldn't be suprised if the Tigers took the best KD they can find with this pick
25. Bris C. Dempsey
another talented local boy, if he's still around there's no reason why Brissy won't grab him
26. Fre G. Grant
more dash and midfield sparkle in Grant, to go with the selection of Swallow
27. WB B. Muston
Bulldogs, with plenty of young talent on the books, can grab the talented but queried Muston and wait for him to blossom
28. Kang G. Birchall
the best available talent at this stage of the draft, Laidley can grab this kid and instill the requisite hardness in him - already has all the skills and is versatile and a good height
29. WCE M. Seal
clean hf/mf who should slip into the Eagles system with minimum fuss
30. Port T. Looby
nice fit for the Port midfield - booming kick and has qualities Choco Williams can work with
31. Geel T. West
Or whoever is rated the best ruckman after Ryder
32. Adel L. McEntee
or whoever is rated the best ruckman at this stage
33. Stk T. Grima
Saints might take a punt here and hope this big kid can eventually replace the G-Train
34. WCE T. Casserley
I like Weaver's reasoning for Casserley's selection, and was compelled to change my original selection of Toovey at this stage
35. Geel M. Laidlaw
versatile player, the Cats could groom him as a tight-checking (but skilled) mid-sized backman

well, that's all I got up to, I'm not too concerned personally with what happens after pick 35, but I reckon my selections up untill #35 are as sound as any ...

 

[jules101]

19. Ess S. Higgins
genuine midfielder, will join Stanton and Monfries in holding the future midfield hopes for Bombers fans

I rate Dyson more then Monfries

 

[coasting]

Very true. It doesn't prove however, that Ryder is a standout number 1 barring racism. Pretty sure that is the original point here.

It might be your original point. It isn't mine. As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. If you are genuinely interested in what I was really implying then you can PM me but I put to you that you are only interested in petty point scoring and are not contributing anything of worth to this thread.

 

[Philhawk]

back on topic - I think Josh Kennedy is an excellent pick at 1 - as my dad once told me - Hawthorns famous coach Allan Jeans once said "In the fourth quarter , the smalls get slower but the bigs dont get smaller"

 

[YAKUZA]

It might be your original point. It isn't mine. As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. If you are genuinely interested in what I was really implying then you can PM me but I put to you that you are only interested in petty point scoring and are not contributing anything of worth to this thread.

Your point knobhead without a doubt was that if Ryder was white he would be a No.1 pick so dont come up with ******** weak excuses. You've been caught out for what you are a racist tool who doesn't have a clue.

 

[M_I_G]

53. Ben McKinlay – Collingwood
He leaps over tall buildings in a single bound, loves a specky, has amazingly sticky hands and kicks goals. Is it the second coming of Russell Robertson or Justin Plapp? More likely Shaun Smith. As eye-catching as he is, the AFL is a tough gig for a 184cm full forward who relies on pack-marking. Like Mark Williams is a marking target and doesn’t really offer much threat at ground level. Probably go earlier and face being converted into a HBF. Would give the Pies forward line that extra dimension and let them retire Caracella.

hahahahahahaha that makes me laugh hopefully ur opinion has changed since u posted this coz he wont go newhere near 53.and its mckinley not lay

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

It might be your original point. It isn't mine. As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Okay so you had two points, Ryder is better than Kennedy and Ryder would be a stand out number one if he was white.

If you are genuinely interested in what I was really implying then you can PM me but I put to you that you are only interested in petty point scoring and are not contributing anything of worth to this thread.

Sounds like you realised you were out of line with the white guy thing and pulled your head in. Still you can't slag off at the rest of us because you are feeling defensive about what you said. Just admit you didn't mean it and move on.

As for what you were really implying ... how can you get anything else from this?

Patrick Ryder has more upside than any player in the draft. If he was a white guy from Melbourne he'd be a lock for the #1 pick.

It is not only suggesting a Victoriacentric attitude on the boards but also a racist one. A lot of people that aren't racist are going to arc up about that implication.

 

[FIGJAM]

hahahahahahaha that makes me laugh hopefully ur opinion has changed since u posted this coz he wont go newhere near 53.and its mckinley not lay

Maybe after that post Ben will finally sleep with you!

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

hahahahahahaha that makes me laugh hopefully ur opinion has changed since u posted this coz he wont go newhere near 53.

Your right.Rookie listed instead

 

[coasting]

Sounds like you realised you were out of line with the white guy thing and pulled your head in. Still you can't slag off at the rest of us because you are feeling defensive about what you said. Just admit you didn't mean it and move on.

Well mods, don't blame me for keeping this going. I suggested he take this to PM but he didn't listen. Nothing I said was out of line and I absolutely meant what I said but you misinterpreted it to mean racism on behalf of recruiters which wasn't what I meant at all.

 

[coasting]

Your point knobhead without a doubt was that if Ryder was white he would be a No.1 pick so dont come up with ******** weak excuses. You've been caught out for what you are a racist tool who doesn't have a clue.

Wrong.

 

[JeNnO_powerfreak_21]

Keep going Cursed_Cat! I agree I think with 30# Port would have to be looking at Tim Looby. We need some grunt in the middle and someone with a bit of mongral in them.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Nothing I said was out of line and I absolutely meant what I said but you misinterpreted it to mean racism on behalf of recruiters which wasn't what I meant at all.

I didn't say you were implying racism by recruiters. You could have been implying racism by the thread starter or another poster for all I know. The point is that in order to make the call as stated, you have to demonstrate how Ryder is a stand out number one pick. You didn't.

As for continuing the discussion, are we not discussing a potential draftee and the reasons why he should or should not go number 1? Why would that be discussed by PM?

 

[oaksy09]

Weaver, u had Heath Hocking at 17, in your oriiginal draft, and in your 2nd he's not in the top 67? I understand he stocks have dropped off this year but he is still a very good chance. Brisbane have flown down to interview him roughly 4 weeks ago to his house, and they do need top clearance players. Pick 57 to brisbane is my guess? how likely do u think this is?

 

[worthy]

I didn't say you were implying racism by recruiters. You could have been implying racism by the thread starter or another poster for all I know. The point is that in order to make the call as stated, you have to demonstrate how Ryder is a stand out number one pick. You didn't.

As for continuing the discussion, are we not discussing a potential draftee and the reasons why he should or should not go number 1? Why would that be discussed by PM?

Not really, it would be good if that was what was happening rather than bringing this thread down with unnecessary rubbish, someone put their point across poorly, a few posters have told him so, now let's move on.
I think Kennedy appeals because other than his obvious talent everything i've read suggests there is little "go-home" factor, also Kennedy seems to be a natural KPP whilst Ryder seems a bit in-between Ruck and KPP.

 

[Ragingbull]

Great job Cursed_Cat! Good reasoning behind all picks.
Few suggestions though
Stanley at 15 too high for a guy that struggles to kick the footy and will be available at 31 if the Cats are still keen.
Dale Thomas to go within the Top 15.

 

[coasting]

13. WCE M. Clark
Eagles will snap him up if he's slid this far (which as far as I'm concerned he will) - Woosha will make a man of him and he'll be a nice upgrade at FF

I know he had a poor u18 carnival, but do you really think he will fall that far? Would be nice but surprising.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Not really, it would be good if that was what was happening rather than bringing this thread down with unnecessary rubbish, someone put their point across poorly, a few posters have told him so, now let's move on.

Agreed. Have to respond if you are being quoted though least it look like you have backed down and people assume you were wrong.

I think Kennedy appeals because other than his obvious talent everything i've read suggests there is little "go-home" factor, also Kennedy seems to be a natural KPP whilst Ryder seems a bit in-between Ruck and KPP.

I predict that Carlton are in a Hawthorn situation where they will be damned if they do and damned if they don't, if their number one pick is not better than all others that are chosen afterwards. Nothing wrong with Luke Hodge but they are ridiculed for taking his all the time.

We now have a situation where Murphy, Ellis, Hurn, Ryder and Kennedy have been touted as number one selections. Whoever we take has to outperform four others to avoid the club being criticised. People should be dwelling on the positives rather than the negatives IMO.

 

[scooter600x]

Weaver,

Is Nathan Jones of the Jets a chance?

 

[Weaver]

Weaver, u had Heath Hocking at 17, in your oriiginal draft, and in your 2nd he's not in the top 67? I understand he stocks have dropped off this year but he is still a very good chance. Brisbane have flown down to interview him roughly 4 weeks ago to his house, and they do need top clearance players. Pick 57 to brisbane is my guess? how likely do u think this is?

I wouldn't be suprised if clubs don't use picks in the 57 range, prefering to pass. They may also be looking at VFL/SANFL/WAFL guys and delisted players at that stage.

Hocking I like because he goes hard but I'd suggest that Hurn, Bode, Laidlaw, Jackson, Rischbeith, Burchall might be all better bets as ruck-rovers. The moment a player is out of the first 5-6 in his position he is in rookie list territory.