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cryptor

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So we're paying $450k per year....

The average player got $406,000 in 2022.......

That's a very good deal for us
That figure is inflated by the fact that a minority of players (the stars of the comp) are getting a bigger share of the pie.

According to this only 288/659 players were getting north of $400k in 2022.

360/659 players (more than half) were actually on something between $100k-$400k in 2022.

Still, $450k feels right for a player of his profile. High potential, experienced and playing a position that generated a lot of competition for his services.
 

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"I am self-aware of the lack of consistency I have had in the past and that’s something that I really want to improve on,” he told the Herald Sun.
"I want to go out there with every game knowing that I will be in the game for 120 minutes.
That’s something that Sammy and I have been speaking really closely about."

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That figure is inflated by the fact that a minority of players (the stars of the comp) are getting a bigger share of the pie.

According to this only 288/659 players were getting north of $400k in 2022.

360/659 players (more than half) were actually on something between $100k-$400k in 2022.

Still, $450k feels right for a player of his profile. High potential, experienced and playing a position that generated a lot of competition for his services.
I’d like to think his contract is front loaded too so minor burden after years 1&2
 

Ned Ryerson

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That figure is inflated by the fact that a minority of players (the stars of the comp) are getting a bigger share of the pie.

According to this only 288/659 players were getting north of $400k in 2022.

360/659 players (more than half) were actually on something between $100k-$400k in 2022.

Still, $450k feels right for a player of his profile. High potential, experienced and playing a position that generated a lot of competition for his services.

You realise your stats put him quite close to the median average also - so just proves the point that he's close to the average AFL wage.
 

Dewnior

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The West Indies appreciation thread up until when SYL finds out that we are being naughty.

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cryptor

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You realise your stats put him quite close to the median average also - so just proves the point that he's close to the average AFL wage.
I don't think so. Based on the spread I reckon a lot of those 360 players are "only" on ~$250k-low$300k. Which would put Chol on 50-80% more than most.
 

Ned Ryerson

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I don't think so. Based on the spread I reckon a lot of those 360 players are "only" on ~$250k-low$300k. Which would put Chol on 50-80% more than most.

He’s earning pretty much close to both the mean and median average income - hard to make a case that he’s not on a little bit more than the average AFL player’s salary.

Either way - $450k a year isn’t a princely sum to pay for a position that can be in demand so I’m content at the deal we’ve struck.
 

MrPremiership

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That figure is inflated by the fact that a minority of players (the stars of the comp) are getting a bigger share of the pie.

According to this only 288/659 players were getting north of $400k in 2022.

360/659 players (more than half) were actually on something between $100k-$400k in 2022.

Still, $450k feels right for a player of his profile. High potential, experienced and playing a position that generated a lot of competition for his services.
60 players get drafted a year on base wages around 100k. 2 year contracts.
So you've got 120 players who can't earn more than 100k....that skews your numbers.
 
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I reckon even conservatively big Mabs is good for at least 25 goals of his own, but his involvement in the forward half could net us another 25-35 goals with how Lewis will be able to impact and what the smalls like Breust, Ginnivan and Watson will get from his aerial and ground ball work pushing back to goal.

 

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Wasn’t doing the hard yards when I saw him at training last week but the same could be said for Lewis and Reeves ……. let’s hope they can all put in a good block post Xmas for the long season ahead 🤞
 

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Wasn’t doing the hard yards when I saw him at training last week but the same could be said for Lewis and Reeves ……. let’s hope they can all put in a good block post Xmas for the long season ahead 🤞

Isn't Chol still on a restricted workload until January?

Mark my words - get him fit, get him playing 20 games - he will kick closer to 50.

Absolute diamond in the rough is this guy.

Could be anything if he gets cherry ripe and gives 100% effort.

It's all up to him to decide just how good he wants to be.
 

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Has the tools to be a Hale role player…and the guy himself available to refer to
 

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The worst that can happen to a young fwd is kick about 44 goals, then to be dumped into the reserves. True, I don't know what led to him being demoted.

We'd be over the moon if Kozi was able to bag 44 goals for the year.

His ability to crumb is excellent considering he's 200cm tall. Needs to take more contested marks, but from what I've seen he's more than capable.

I think his best footy is ahead of him. And ideal age!!
 

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The worst that can happen to a young fwd is kick about 44 goals, then to be dumped into the reserves. True, I don't know what led to him being demoted.

We'd be over the moon if Kozi was able to bag 44 goals for the year.

His ability to crumb is excellent considering he's 200cm tall. Needs to take more contested marks, but from what I've seen he's more than capable.

I think his best footy is ahead of him. And ideal age!!
From all reports Casboult showed more form and was a better fit beside King. Casboult as much as he's been besieged over the years I feel has been highly underrated due to his inconsistent kicking for goal which he's most definitely improved on over the years. The man can take a grab with the best of them and gives a chop out in the ruck too. If we didn't trade for Chol then I reckon Casboult would've been a great fit as the 2nd ruck option instead of Meek. I expect Chol to provide a chop out when needed and I also wouldn't be surprised to see Ned substituted of some games late and have the team finish off with a bit of small ball up forward with Chol finishing in the ruck. This I feel will happen in wet weather games.
 

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The worst that can happen to a young fwd is kick about 44 goals, then to be dumped into the reserves. True, I don't know what led to him being demoted.

We'd be over the moon if Kozi was able to bag 44 goals for the year.

His ability to crumb is excellent considering he's 200cm tall. Needs to take more contested marks, but from what I've seen he's more than capable.

I think his best footy is ahead of him. And ideal age!!
The return of Ben King was the main reason for Chol’s demotion. And there is no way Gold Coast would have King playing in the seconds if they want to retain his services.
With the appointment of Hardwick as coach and recruitment of Jed Walters, there was really no future for him at the club. He now has this (a future) if he is willing to take it. Hawthorn have already backed him in with a 4 year contract and it seems Mitchell will give him every chance to succeed.
 

HedgeFund

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The worst that can happen to a young fwd is kick about 44 goals, then to be dumped into the reserves. True, I don't know what led to him being demoted.

We'd be over the moon if Kozi was able to bag 44 goals for the year.

His ability to crumb is excellent considering he's 200cm tall. Needs to take more contested marks, but from what I've seen he's more than capable.

I think his best footy is ahead of him. And ideal age!!
He’s been an AFL footballer since late 2015. So 2022 was his 7th season (aged 25) and 2023 his 8th (26).

Not a “young forward” at all. More a forward who thought he’d made it when he had a breakout season in 2022, then regressed in 2023 when held out of the side (primarily by a 33 year old Casboult).

Casboult has got every single ounce he can out of his ability and always presents in great physical condition. His work rate is what every coach would expect. He is still on their list, whilst Chol requested and got traded out by GC (despite having 2 yrs to go on his contract).

No surprise when King returned in 2023 as the clear #1 forward, Chol became 3rd banana behind Casboult - who despite being a veteran with zero chance of being a premiership player up there - simply works harder and is more consistent.

Hence the acknowledgment by Chol recently that he needs to improve his training standards and consistency within games. Hopefully he learns from the experience, improves his application at training and in games, and makes the most of his third AFL opportunity.
 

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He’s been an AFL footballer since late 2015. So 2022 was his 7th season (aged 25) and 2023 his 8th (26).

Not a “young forward” at all. More a forward who thought he’d made it when he had a breakout season in 2022, then regressed in 2023 when held out of the side (primarily by a 33 year old Casboult).

Casboult has got every single ounce he can out of his ability and always presents in great physical condition. His work rate is what every coach would expect. He is still on their list, whilst Chol requested and got traded out by GC (despite having 2 yrs to go on his contract).

No surprise when King returned in 2023 as the clear #1 forward, Chol became 3rd banana behind Casboult - who despite being a veteran with zero chance of being a premiership player up there - simply works harder and is more consistent.

Hence the acknowledgment by Chol recently that he needs to improve his training standards and consistency within games. Hopefully he learns from the experience, improves his application at training and in games, and makes the most of his third AFL opportunity.
HedgeFund I agree with all that you wrote. But there is more to it than Chol being the 3rd banana in a 2 pronged GC tall-fwd set up in 2023.

GC have known for some time that Walter is a talent and that he will be coming to them. For GC it has been about list management. With Jed Walter falling into their lap it makes sense to pair him with a person is in that later part of his career, specifically Casboult. Play Casboult for parts of the 2024 season and then Walter when the time suits. Casboult is the perfect list management pair for Walter.

Unlike Chol: at his age he should want to be AHEAD of the new guy (Walter) for the entire year. Chol has not fit into GC’s plans from the time they knew Walter was a talent and that he would be on their list in 2024.

From my POV: this situation is All Good as the Hawks have snagged Chol at a time when the Hawks greatly need his skill set.

This is a trade that suited both teams and Chol. In this trade everyone wins... IF Chol gets the best out of himself.

Chol now has everything in his favour. A team that needs him and a position in the team that is his to lose. It is now down to Chol to see if he can reach the potential that we all see in him.

If he gets the best out of himself, it will be brilliant to see him flourish!
 
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Dewnior

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The worst that can happen to a young fwd is kick about 44 goals, then to be dumped into the reserves. True, I don't know what led to him being demoted.

I don't really care as long as it had nothing to do with his work ethic, team orientation or off field pursuits.
 

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