List Mgmt. Welcome to West Coast: Daniel Venables
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Pretty sure their football code has their own (and probably much worse) concussion issues
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Seems to be a bit of a pattern forming with him ascribing concussion issues to something else....
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US Sports Science is so far behind us as to be a joke, but the one thing they have sunk millions into is concussion. I’m sure the research is there in other areas, but the concept of what we’d call sports science is so foreign to the vast majority of professional level US athletes. But by god, have they studied concussion.
Sports science in Europe makes the rest of the world look silly too.
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Poor bloke deserves all the money going to him
Rioli wasn't luck, it was stupidity.
‘I was gobsmacked’: Ex-player Kade Kolodjashnij’s explosive claims about former AFL expert Paul McCrory’s concussion call
‘I was gobsmacked’: Ex-player’s explosive claims about former AFL expert’s concussion callwww.foxsports.com.au
Aside from the misdiagnosis etc, the most telling thing in that article is:
- "An investigation is under way into whether McCrory treated players for concussion after 2018 despite an agreed Australian medical ban."
This is pretty awful. This and Kade and anyone else treated by this "Doctor"
Glad it is coming to light
Glad it is coming to light
What he's asking for, the baseline testing, is so obvious and straightforward I am so pissed off at the AFL for not doing it, and at the Eagles for not taking the lead and doing it anyway, * the AFL.
Hope he gets his millions. Poor bastard. * the whole situation.
Hope he gets his millions. Poor bastard. * the whole situation.
I think they'll be all right, when was the last time an AFL executive suffered long-term consequences for their actions?
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Didn't one of them get sacked for boning a receptionist or something recently-ish?
Funny how the big wigs of the AFL spend time in the USA looking at their TV deals with the NFL/ NBA teams but dont think to go get some information on how they are dealing with concussion????
I think going forward the AFL should getting a concussion specialist role for each club that is there game day who can access it a lot better then the game day trainers. That way they can say " hey mate this isn't a good hit lets get you straight to hospital "
I think going forward the AFL should getting a concussion specialist role for each club that is there game day who can access it a lot better then the game day trainers. That way they can say " hey mate this isn't a good hit lets get you straight to hospital "
Yeah and he was hired by St kilda less than 12 months later as their CEO
Hence 'lasting' consequences. They all wind up in another highly paid position of influence a year later (or less). It's basically paid leave when you factor in the payouts they get to vacate.
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Sainters must have misheard "boning" as "burning"
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Nah the younger the better at St Kilda
that should get checked out by a doctor, NON AFL endorsed doctor
Haven't had a lot to do with this stuff really but I'm a little staggered at the apparent Australian medical system disconnect in this area from some exposure.
The type of stuff he's doing in the USA is known and available here though in more basic forms of treatment. Not as developed as over there but the theories are known. I've literally seen versions of it in action on infant and childhood stroke victims who go through versions of this to retrain the brain whilst still developing neural pathways and synapses etc, it's not unknown. It is mimicked over here, in this very state, by placing infants and kids in office chairs and spinning them around, constantly changing direction. Tipping them upside down and back on tilt tables, moving toys constantly to make them re-focus and move eyes and reach etc. Years of physical therapy retraining the brain and using Neuroplasticity theory.
Some would know better than me but it seems there are things being done in this area for brain bleeds and damage to infants and children that rarely seem to be applied to the adult population in Australian brain injury cases. There are centres that do it for adults privately but our major "experts" in the Aussie medical system rarely send adults down the full, expensive path and these are the same "experts" the AFL usually goes to. There is a cost/benefit calculation done and admittedly the success is higher whilst the brain is still developing but geeze, I really struggle with some of those calculations in the medical system cost analysis. The calculations affect all the decisions, allocation of money, resources and treatment recommendations in Neuro departments and seem to extrapolate into a diagnosis and treatment regime at the majority of high levels in this field in Australia that regularly don't go the best result possible route. The key I'm told is to diagnose the bleeds early but equally important; to treat with every best available technique as soon as possible. That does appear to be a really major error not only in Daniels case but I suspect throughout the Australian medical system. We'll go through everything for kids to get the best we can in our system but Adults are not given the same level of concern or options is my impression. That is perhaps evolved from a somewhat natural inclination to give kids the best possible outcome and opportunities, combined with cost/benefit evaluation, but in the Neuro field in Australia this has morphed into treatment philosophies that are questionable. In a roundabout connection it's the sort of thing Charlie Teo touches on regularly and fought in his own way regarding Neuro " experts" and philosophies in Australia. There is a problem with the Neuro expert level throughout the Aussie medical system IMHO.
I feel for Daniel because I know the physical symptoms are the ones more easily seen and evaluated. There are however behavioural and cognitive symptoms that are not so easily evaluated or even identified. In many cases not fully realised till later in life.
The type of stuff he's doing in the USA is known and available here though in more basic forms of treatment. Not as developed as over there but the theories are known. I've literally seen versions of it in action on infant and childhood stroke victims who go through versions of this to retrain the brain whilst still developing neural pathways and synapses etc, it's not unknown. It is mimicked over here, in this very state, by placing infants and kids in office chairs and spinning them around, constantly changing direction. Tipping them upside down and back on tilt tables, moving toys constantly to make them re-focus and move eyes and reach etc. Years of physical therapy retraining the brain and using Neuroplasticity theory.
Some would know better than me but it seems there are things being done in this area for brain bleeds and damage to infants and children that rarely seem to be applied to the adult population in Australian brain injury cases. There are centres that do it for adults privately but our major "experts" in the Aussie medical system rarely send adults down the full, expensive path and these are the same "experts" the AFL usually goes to. There is a cost/benefit calculation done and admittedly the success is higher whilst the brain is still developing but geeze, I really struggle with some of those calculations in the medical system cost analysis. The calculations affect all the decisions, allocation of money, resources and treatment recommendations in Neuro departments and seem to extrapolate into a diagnosis and treatment regime at the majority of high levels in this field in Australia that regularly don't go the best result possible route. The key I'm told is to diagnose the bleeds early but equally important; to treat with every best available technique as soon as possible. That does appear to be a really major error not only in Daniels case but I suspect throughout the Australian medical system. We'll go through everything for kids to get the best we can in our system but Adults are not given the same level of concern or options is my impression. That is perhaps evolved from a somewhat natural inclination to give kids the best possible outcome and opportunities, combined with cost/benefit evaluation, but in the Neuro field in Australia this has morphed into treatment philosophies that are questionable. In a roundabout connection it's the sort of thing Charlie Teo touches on regularly and fought in his own way regarding Neuro " experts" and philosophies in Australia. There is a problem with the Neuro expert level throughout the Aussie medical system IMHO.
I feel for Daniel because I know the physical symptoms are the ones more easily seen and evaluated. There are however behavioural and cognitive symptoms that are not so easily evaluated or even identified. In many cases not fully realised till later in life.
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Venables: doctor, I got a severe traumatic head knock and may have sustained a possible brain injury
West coast medical team: you're fine, go home
AFL medical team: here, take some antidepressants
I am not a lawyer, but as a man in the medical field I would rate Daniels chances of compensation as very, very good
The incompetence here is staggering
West coast medical team: you're fine, go home
AFL medical team: here, take some antidepressants
I am not a lawyer, but as a man in the medical field I would rate Daniels chances of compensation as very, very good
The incompetence here is staggering
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No amount of money will change anything. He'll get a lot and deserves a lot.
But his life is f****
But his life is f****
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