Wells vs. Griffen

[Hodgepodge]

Griffen is way ahead of Wells this year

Nah, Wells has had a very good season, no player is 'way ahead' of the other.

 

[KillaKanga]

Both our clubs won an easy string of games but once we came up against contenders we won while North weren't even competitive. We are clearly a better side now. That wasn't so clear early in the season.

So you beating Carlton and us getting slaughtered by Collingwood is apples for apples?

Collingwood put the foot down in the last qtr and run all over you too. They are a much better team now.

This weekend will be the true test of who the better team is (I'm in no way saying we'll win!!)

But by your logic we beat Bombers, Bombers beat Geelong so we must be a contender? Which we're clearly not.

On topic both are guns, when they're both playing 100% about par in my mind.

 

[staphy]

The coaches agree that his influence on games has been greater than that of Griffen this year. I guess coaches must know sweet f*** all about footy.

Griffen and Boyd both in the coaches top ten taking votes off each other.

Wells all alone in the top ten, no other North player taking votes of him.

Votes after this weekend well see Griffin pass Wells anyway.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Griffen and Boyd both in the coaches top ten taking votes off each other.

Wells all alone in the top ten, no other North player taking votes of him.

Votes after this weekend well see Griffin pass Wells anyway.

So on that rational Wells is doing it all by himself. Nice one. Not bad for an inconsistent, soft, outside and disinterested player.

 

[Teffy]

As you can see Griffen way ahead, marks shite cheap ones across the back half don't count that stat.
Clearances Wells leads by 8 is one main stat that counts.
The others he is behind

Grffien
Inside 50 - 91
Goals - 19
Contested Pos 155
Running Bounces 34

Wells
Inside 50 - 71
Goals - 11
Contested Pos 145
Running Bounces 8

These are the stats that count, tell me how Wells is having a better year

Here's some more stats that count:

Griffen
Turnovers - 9.9
Critical Errors - 2.3
Clearances - 4.4
One percenters - 4.7

Wells
Turnovers - 7.6
Critical Errors - 1.7
Clearances - 5.1
One percenters - 5.8

There's bugger all between them in 2011. Wells has had groin issues in prior seasons.

 

[staphy]

Here's some more stats that count:

Griffen
Turnovers - 9.9
Critical Errors - 2.3
Clearances - 4.4
One percenters - 4.7

Wells
Turnovers - 7.6
Critical Errors - 1.7
Clearances - 5.1
One percenters - 5.8

There's bugger all between them in 2011. Wells has had groin issues in prior seasons.

The argument is Wells is having a better year the Griffen, when clearly he is not.

On the key stats Griffen is ahead and more damaging , more goals more inside 50's more inside 50's per game , more running bounces ( more creative) 34 to 8 .

Griffen more damaging than the Well this year

 

[100action]

now taking money for the first poster to bump this thread after the match on Sunday as a definitive answer to who is better:

Gus: $1.01
Teffy: $1.25
The Zebra: $2.00
Elite MAster: $3.00
Staphy: $1.75
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Elite Master: $1.25
RedWhite&Blue: $2.00
DawofPerception: $1.01

Other: $4.00

 

[GarnerSmash]

now taking money for the first poster to bump this thread after the match on Sunday as a definitive answer to who is better:

Gus: $1.01
Teffy: $1.25
The Zebra: $2.00
Elite MAster: $3.00
Staphy: $1.75
B Tron: $3.00
Elite Master: $1.25
RedWhite&Blue: $2.00
DawofPerception: $1.01

Other: $4.00

$3.00? Get on board. Thems good odds.

 

[The Zebra]

The argument is Wells is having a better year the Griffen, when clearly he is not.

On the key stats Griffen is ahead and more damaging , more goals more inside 50's more inside 50's per game , more running bounces ( more creative) 34 to 8 .

Griffen more damaging than the Well this year

Your argument is that Griffen is way ahead of Wells, which clearly he is not.

The coaches and North supporters think Wells has had a better year, Bulldogs supporters think Griffen has had a better year.

In reality, it is hard to split them. Both having great years. There is no way that either is way ahead of the other.

 

[staphy]

So on that rational Wells is doing it all by himself. Nice one. Not bad for an inconsistent, soft, outside and disinterested player.

When did i quote that.^^^

Guilty conscience have we

 

[GarnerSmash]

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When did i quote that.^^^

Guilty conscience have we

You didn't and I never implied that you did. That is the consensus view of D. Wells.

You shouldn't take BF so seriously.

 

[Gus]

now taking money for the first poster to bump this thread after the match on Sunday as a definitive answer to who is better:

Gus: $1.01
Teffy: $1.25
The Zebra: $2.00
Elite MAster: $3.00
Staphy: $1.75
B Tron: $3.00
Elite Master: $1.25
RedWhite&Blue: $2.00
DawofPerception: $1.01

Other: $4.00

Surely I'll get better odds somewhere else. 100actionbet is a crock of shit.

 

[DVD Player]

The "contested" possession stat is one of the most misleading. Wells has had just 10 less contested possession than Griffen this year, which would suggest he is just as effective at winning the hard ball as Griffen..... Do I need to continue?

 

[The Zebra]

The "contested" possession stat is one of the most misleading. Wells has had just 10 less contested possession than Griffen this year, which would suggest he is just as effective at winning the hard ball as Griffen..... Do I need to continue?

The fact that he is ahead in clearances would suggest that he is even more effective than Griffen at winning the hardball.

 

[Dan]

now taking money for the first poster to bump this thread after the match on Sunday as a definitive answer to who is better:

Gus: $1.01
Teffy: $1.25
The Zebra: $2.00
Elite MAster: $3.00
Staphy: $1.75
B Tron: $3.00
Elite Master: $1.25
RedWhite&Blue: $2.00
DawofPerception: $1.01

Other: $4.00

I'm insulted

 

[Grifflich]

The "contested" possession stat is one of the most misleading. Wells has had just 10 less contested possession than Griffen this year, which would suggest he is just as effective at winning the hard ball as Griffen..... Do I need to continue?

There both not your typical in and under players however griffens ability to stand up in tackles and dispose the ball effectively is what puts him ahead in contested ability

 

[DVD Player]

The fact that he is ahead in clearances would suggest that he is even more effective than Griffen at winning the hardball.

Does that also make him a better than Luke Ball in that "inside" role, due to averaging more clearances... How about Priddis, renowned for his ball winning ability, who averages the same amount of clearances per game as Wells, would you rank them equally in inside ball winning abilities? Of course not. The clearance stat is almost as misleading and irrelevant in player vs player discussion as the "contested" possession stat.

 

[DVD Player]

There both not your typical in and under players however griffens ability to stand up in tackles and dispose the ball effectively is what puts him ahead in contested ability

Which is something no stat can represent, thus making them redundant in such discussions.

 

[Elite Master]

If you looked at my other posts in this
OP, is the poll question based on this season alone or career so far?

At the risk of sounding like an idiot, I never actually thought about it. I guess if anything it could be applied to both, although 2 separate threads would probably lead to a more accurate poll summary since Griffen is clearly ahead in terms of career to date but not so clear cut when it comes to 2011.

now taking money for the first poster to bump this thread after the match on Sunday as a definitive answer to who is better:

Gus: $1.01
Teffy: $1.25
The Zebra: $2.00
Elite MAster: $3.00
Staphy: $1.75
B Tron: $3.00
Elite Master: $1.25
RedWhite&Blue: $2.00
DawofPerception: $1.01

Other: $4.00

Why am I down twice?

 

[The Zebra]

Does that also make him a better than Luke Ball in that "inside" role, due to averaging more clearances... How about Priddis, renowned for his ball winning ability, who averages the same amount of clearances per game as Wells, would you rank them equally in inside ball winning abilities?

Well, yes. If he is averaging more clearances, then obviously Wells has been better this year. His clearance work has been fantastic.

But Priddis is averaging more clearances.

Of course not. The clearance stat is almost as misleading and irrelevant in player vs player discussion as the "contested" possession stat.

Any stat is 'misleading' to somene who doesn't want to believe it.

But believe it son. The fact that Boyd, Judd, Moloney, Swallow are all at the top of the clearance rankings is not co-incidence - they are the best clearance players in the league.

And the fact that Wells is 16th in the league for clearances is also no co-incidence, his clearance work has been great this year.

 

[Grifflich]

Apologies DVD player

 

[DVD Player]

Apologies DVD player

Completely misinterpreted my post.

 

[Grifflich]

Completely misinterpreted my post.

There's a lot of similarities between the two, they've both even kicked 70 plus metre torpedo goals! However I feel at the end of the day griffen is slightly ahead in most facets of the game and will reach his zenith as wells goes through his nadir.

 

[DVD Player]

Any stat is 'misleading' to somene who doesn't want to believe it.

But believe it son. The fact that Boyd, Judd, Moloney, Swallow are all at the top of the clearance rankings is not co-incidence - they are the best clearance players in the league.

And the fact that Wells is 16th in the league for clearances is also no co-incidence, his clearance work has been great this year.

There are many things stats don't represent. In Judds case, it's the ability to stand up in a tackle, and dish off a hand ball where other players may fail. In other cases it's pure hardness at the football that influences the contest in no way that any stat can record. Many of these individual acts contribute considerably to the team effort of clearing the ball. My point was that Contested possession and Clearance stats don't accurately represent the effectiveness of players playing the "inside role", not that the clearance stat doesn't accurately represent how many clearances a player gets.

 

[DVD Player]

There's a lot of similarities between the two, they've both even kicked 70 plus metre torpedo goals! However I feel at the end of the day griffen is slightly ahead in most facets of the game and will reach his zenith as wells goes through his nadir.

Quinten Lynch has kicked 70 meter plus torpedo goals.