What is the worst team in AFL history?

[IanW]

LOL, what a friggen joke, GWS started tanking even before the season started. There was no way that Sheedy was ever going to allow your team to not finish last and get the 1st pick again, he'll do it again next year. Other teams have tanked but GWS has turned it into an art form. You're just angry because you know it's true, by taking all kids and retired players GWs tanked.

As for comments about mercenaries, LOL what a joke. $1.1m a year, I don't even have to say his name and everyone knows who I'm talking about. What a waste of money, how soon before the kids overtake him and question his income? From what I've heard it's started already. At least our mercenary is a bloody good footballer.

GWS are terrible, your training facilities and grounds are a joke and Sheedy provides the AFL with nothing but comic relief. It's pathetic seeing him beg for another contract while your real coach is treated like crap. In fact, GWS are so bad they make Melbourne look like a decent team in comparison, now that's bad. The worst team for a century, not since teams were decimated by WW1 has there been worse.

But, even with all those **** ups GWS will be successful, because they'll feed at the AFL's tit until they win at least one premiership. GWS weas created to increase AFL exposure in NSW and to increase the value of the TV rights. Calling them a franchise is generous, GWS exists to give the rest of the teams more money, calling them a club is laughable.

You can say anything you want about Melbourne, I don't care, but I know that you know what I'm saying is true because of the way you got so defensive and went on the attack of my club, you've got a glass jaw, next time try a little harder to hide the fact.

Demonheart,

Theres a difference between tanking, and getting games into kids. We're getting games into kids.

Again "You can't expect a player to go out there and not try ... (but) I was asked to do the best thing by the Melbourne Football Club and I did it. I put players in different positions."

Now, Sheeds is Sheeds, so Hampton is being turned into a half back flanker. Shockingly, he even is appearing to be good at it. Weirdly, we've also stopped playing Cameron in the back half of the ground. Its almost as if Sheeds is trying to find the best position for kids, as opposed to playing players where they cant play so we lose. Crazy stuff, from Crazy Sheeds, huh.

Tom Scully is *not* on $1.1m this year. He's on a lot more, *this* year. This is because we have the cap room this year, but not in 2014-5, so this is the year he gets paid. In 2014-5, he'll be on a lot less, and the kids will be passing him.

Finally, I note your fallback position that we're both the best team ever and will fail to ever win a premiership. Or did I get that the wrong way around.

Toodles, and we still havent lost by 186.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

LOL, what a friggen joke, GWS started tanking even before the season started. There was no way that Sheedy was ever going to allow your team to not finish last and get the 1st pick again, he'll do it again next year. Other teams have tanked but GWS has turned it into an art form. You're just angry because you know it's true, by taking all kids and retired players GWs tanked.

As for comments about mercenaries, LOL what a joke. $1.1m a year, I don't even have to say his name and everyone knows who I'm talking about. What a waste of money, how soon before the kids overtake him and question his income? From what I've heard it's started already. At least our mercenary is a bloody good footballer.

GWS are terrible, your training facilities and grounds are a joke and Sheedy provides the AFL with nothing but comic relief. It's pathetic seeing him beg for another contract while your real coach is treated like crap. In fact, GWS are so bad they make Melbourne look like a decent team in comparison, now that's bad. The worst team for a century, not since teams were decimated by WW1 has there been worse.

But, even with all those **** ups GWS will be successful, because they'll feed at the AFL's tit until they win at least one premiership. GWS weas created to increase AFL exposure in NSW and to increase the value of the TV rights. Calling them a franchise is generous, GWS exists to give the rest of the teams more money, calling them a club is laughable.

You can say anything you want about Melbourne, I don't care, but I know that you know what I'm saying is true because of the way you got so defensive and went on the attack of my club, you've got a glass jaw, next time try a little harder to hide the fact.

Nail. Hammer. Head.

 

[DTRAIN87]

LOL@Melbourne supporters trying to gain some respect and mask their club over the past 5 years by comparing themselves to gws .

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Wrong again.

 

[IanW]

Wrong again.

Wonna,

Shouldnt you be getting upset at Demonheart for him calling Clark a mercenary who plays for Melbourne for money, despite committing to another club ?

Oh. Thats right. Under your ethics its only a crime if its done *to* clubs you support. If it's done *by* clubs you support, its ok.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Shouldnt you be getting upset at Demonheart for him calling Clark a mercenary

If he actually did, I assure you I would be

But I note once again this ludicrous attempt at false equivalency from you, in seeking to wash away Scully's spectacular duplicity.

Happy to repost all the details regarding Scully's conduct in comparison with Clark again if you like.

And if you're looking to try the same games you played last time, I can post said information multiple times on this thread too.

 

[IanW]

If he actually did, I assure you I would be

But I note once again this ludicrous attempt at false equivalency from you, in seeking to wash away Scully's spectacular duplicity.

Happy to repost all the details regarding Scully's conduct in comparison with Clark again if you like.

And if you're looking to try the same games you played last time, I can post said information multiple times on this thread too.

What, the press release from Clark saying he was committing to Freo ? That evidence ?

Aww, hell, have another piece from the time about your mercenary blackmailing his club to do a trade to Fremantle.

""If no agreement can be reached between Brisbane and Fremantle, I'm firmly committed to nominating for the pre-season draft."

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8360313

But, yeah, he's loyal to something other than Melbourne's money.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

What, the press release from Clark saying he was committing to Freo ? That evidence ?

It is surprising that you still appear to be unaware of the information regarding Scully, after it having been posted in replies to you umpty-million times now.

But I realise your comprehension skills may be lacking, given your apparent continuing failure to understand said information. I thought you might be faking before, but perhaps it is a reading comprehension issue after all.

So as I say, I'm happy to share that material with you again, in the hope that you may even successfully be able to read it this time.

Try doing it in small pieces, and I'm sure you'll make it through in the end.

Unlike Scully, Clark had clearly stated he wanted to leave Brisbane.

Unlike Scully, Clark had given that club 6 years of service before he decided to leave.

Clark told Voss he wanted to leave. After having given Brisbane 6 years of service, compared to Scully playing 20 games with us while watching the clock and waiting to leave.

Clark didn't pretend he wanted to stay with Brisbane while he and his father had already signed HoAs elsewhere the year before.

Clark didn't give a press conference in which he lied to everyone, including all media organisations present, claiming he wanted to stay with Brisbane when he'd already decided to leave well before then.

Clark didn't fly down here pretending he was just coming to "have a look around".

GWS had the higher pick and could easily have taken Clark ahead of Freo if he'd sought to go there. (And Melbourne also had a higher pick than Freo, of course)

As Rob Kerr suggested in the following article:

While a legitimate option, the Pre-Season Draft wasn’t quite the deterrent some would expect, given Melbourne had a draft selection before Fremantle. Further, GWS could exercise as many as 11 picks in the Pre-Season Draft before Gold Coast had a selection, as they have currently only taken five uncontracted players.

If selected by GWS, Mitch would have been taken as an uncontracted player and we would have received a compensation pick, which I would predict would be a mid-first round compensation pick. Hence, the threat was not entirely negative from our point of view in the sense that it did not close the door to further negotiation.

http://lions.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/5085/newsid/125257/default.aspx

Scully pretended he wanted to stay with us while he and his father had already signed HoAs with GWS the year before.

Scully gave a press conference in which he lied to everyone, including all media organisations present, claiming he wanted to stay with the Demons when he'd already decided to leave well before then.

Even when he flew up there, he pretended he wanted to "have a look around", when he knew full well he was going up there to announce his signing officially.

Didn't have the stones to tell the club he was leaving even then.

Imagine walking around being known as the only AFL club staffer in history to have his wage placed under the salary cap? That's Phil Scully's lot now -- and surely he doesn't need the heat, regardless of the financial rewards.

Phil should have read the play from the start and politely declined the offer. It would have been enough to say: "Thanks, but no thanks - I want Tom to be his own man and I'm afraid of the baggage that could come with this".

But Phil clearly couldn't resist the temptation and naively agreed. You can't begrudge him for wanting to turn a part-time spotting role at Sydney into a full-time recruiting gig, but it would have made far more sense to better himself somewhere else. If he is such a good talent scout, other clubs would surely have come knocking anyway.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...-aside-at-giants/story-e6frf9jf-1226178974450

Tom Scully's father was offered a six-year contract worth $680,000 to work as a recruiter for Greater Western Sydney in November last year.

The Herald Sun has obtained a copy of a "Letter of Offer" to Phil Scully signed by GWS football boss Graeme "Gubby" Allan on November 10, 2010 - 12 months before the contentious deal was made public.

It reveals Scully Sr was guaranteed a job until October 2017 as the club's Melbourne-based recruiting scout on an annual salary of $100,000, with an increase of 5 per cent every year.

The document raises fresh questions about whether Tom Scully agreed to join the expansion club during an AFL-endorsed signing window in November 2010.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/tom...n-sydney-in-2010/story-e6frf33l-1226195150682

AFL football chief Adrian Anderson has revealed that Phil Scully, father of Greater Western Sydney's highest profile recruit Tom, will have the entirety of his salary included in the new club's player salary cap.

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...-salary-cap-20111027-1mkqb.html#ixzz207OYYK8m

Scully said GWS had not made contact with him, his management or his family.

"No, there's been no approach, absolutely not," Scully said. "Definitely haven't spoken to GWS and definitely haven't signed something. If I did have an approach the club (Melbourne) would be the first to know."

Scully, the No.1 draft pick in 2009, said he wanted to be a one-club player and saw the Demons in his future.

"I feel that I should come out and say something and this is my stance," he said. "I love the club, I love all my teammates and I just want to be a part of the future at the footy club."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...-star-tom-scully/story-e6frf9jf-1226015805893

Can you confirm if there has been an approach from GWS to your management?
“No there has been no approach. Absolutely not.”

When you said you’ve had no approach, what about your father? He has been approached?
“No, absolutely not.”

So you’ve had no contact between GWS and the Scully family?
“I definitely haven’t spoken to GWS and I most certainly haven’t signed anything - certainly not.”

If you did sign something, would you let the club know? What’s your stance on that?
“Well, I haven’t signed anything and I haven't even had an approach. If I did have an approach, the club would be the first to know. I’ve been open and transparent with the club and they’ve been the same with me. We continue to have a great relationship.”

Can we just clarify, you haven’t been approached and your family hasn’t been approached? Has your management been approached by GWS?
“Absolutely not.”

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7415/newsid/108772/default.aspx

 

[IanW]

Wonna,

You're upset about Scully being a mercenary. I know.

You waste a whole lot of time and energy trying to prove to me that Scully is a mercenary.

Get this.

I. Think. Scully. Is. A. Mercenary.

And Im ok with that. When he's under contract, he'll play hard. When he isnt under contract, he'll play for someone else.

Now, Clark, who plays hard for you and makes Melbourne a much better team, is also a mercenary.

Dump the double standard over players saying who they will play for next year without actually ever inking anything legally binding, deal with it, and move on.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Hopefully you'll understand the information posted eventually. Just give it your best try, that's all I ask

 

[joeyavalanche]

 

[Bluelegs]

I love seeing the old freo jumper. It's terrible but it reminds me of the 90's. Those were good times.

 

[Ron The Bear]

AFL admits concern as new boys getting monstered

"There was always going to be some pain up front...I think we probably underestimated the amount of pain."

- Gillon McLachlan

Highest combined losing margins from the 1634 sequences of six consecutive VFL/AFL losses (with starting year/round):

Pts Year Rd  Cb  1  2  3  4  5  6
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668 2012 13  GWS 78  94 162 119  95 120
560 2012 12  GWS 12  78  94 162 119  95
547 1993  3  Sy  38  86  93 124  44 162
534 1993  4  Sy  86  93 124  44 162  25
530 2012 10  GWS 65  12  78  94 162 119
518 1899 12  St  33  39 117  98  70 161
513 1984 20* St  55  38  57 110 140 113
507 1992  6  Br  60 164  74  42 108  59
497 1984 21* St  38  57 110 140 113  39
494 1995 14  Fi  67  81  71  97  52 126
491 1901 14* St  67  72 102 128  54  68
491 1996 17  Fi  99  15  53  87 151  86
479 1911 13  St  58  38 114 125  87  57
477 1993  5  Sy  93 124  44 162  25  29
477 2012  9  GWS 66  65  12  78  94 162
472 2011 16  PA  56  21  32 138 165  60
468 1995 15  Fi  81  71  97  52 126  41
467 1995 13  Fi  99  67  81  71  97  52
462 1930 11  NM  35  75  82 128  47  95
462 1996  9  Fi 105  70  63  31 127  66
459 1911 12  St  37  58  38 114 125  87
450 1930 15* NM  47  95  15  73  52 168

* sequence continued into following season

 

[joeyavalanche]

I love seeing the old freo jumper. It's terrible but it reminds me of the 90's. Those were good times.

not for fremantle.
come to think of it, the 2000's arent good for freo either.

 

[estibador]

As for comments about mercenaries, LOL what a joke. $1.1m a year, I don't even have to say his name and everyone knows who I'm talking about. What a waste of money, how soon before the kids overtake him and question his income? From what I've heard it's started already. At least our mercenary is a bloody good footballer.

Doesn't say much for your drafting if you wasted a number 1 pick on a guy who isn't even a good footballer.

 

[UpForGrabs]

The answer to that is simple. The AFL will continue to give them concessions and money until they are successful, they are guaranteed success. there is no doubt about that. The sooner they get to the top the better for the rest of the teams.
Unfortunately Sheedy and co have ****** it up and this process is now going to take much longer, everyone suffers because of their stupidity.

I call bullshit on that one. They've had a bad year, that's for sure.

There's just too many people out there saying they're dragging the standard of the comp down. Well let me tell you, GWS are probably only 10-20% worse than most other years' bad teams. What makes things seem worse is that the better teams are 15-20% better than other years, as evidenced by some of the thrashings handed out this year to teams either in the eight or fighting for a spot in the eight (and my team isn't immune to some of those thrashings).

But it's far too early to tell whether or not they've f***ed it up.

Freo f***ed up, that's what happened. They thought they could be competitive straight away.

Well, guess what. Winning 7-8 games with mainly recycled or state league players may keep you off the bottom of the ladder, but it doesn't get you any closer to the top (as evidenced by the fact that Freo are still yet to ever sit atop the AFL ladder. Ever).

GCS and GWS are trying to learn from Freo's mistakes. More pain now, for sure. But I'll bet you they'll get better much quicker.

 

[tribey]

Freo f***ed up, that's what happened. They thought they could be competitive straight away.

Well, guess what. Winning 7-8 games with mainly recycled or state league players may keep you off the bottom of the ladder, but it doesn't get you any closer to the top (as evidenced by the fact that Freo are still yet to ever sit atop the AFL ladder. Ever).

GCS and GWS are trying to learn from Freo's mistakes. More pain now, for sure. But I'll bet you they'll get better much quicker.

They were competitive straight away. 8 wins in year one, 7 in year two, 10 in year three.

Not sure what else they could've done list-wise given the concessions at hand. Delisting Peter Bell was a poor decision, but the old chestnuts of trading the rights to McLeod and drafting Waterhouse over Primus speak to hindsight that every expansion club can rue.

Adelaide chose Mark Viska over Andrew McKay. Port Adelaide ignored one of its own juniors in Byron Pickett. And so on.

If anything they were unlucky there was no glut of great Western Australian players during their great WAFL cherrypick, whereas Port had something of a golden generation to choose from (Tredrea, Lade, Burgoyne, Dew, Wilson, Mead, James, Francou, Eagleton, Harley, et al) despite slightly tougher concessions.

 

[The Chiefton]

That 2002 Season was pretty awful, Corey McKernan played like shite, and still won the Best and Fairest...

Bit harsh, he won the hit outs, goal kicking (40 goals) and the best and fairest. Dunno what else he could do in such a pathetic team.

 

[Demonheart]

Demonheart,

Theres a difference between tanking, and getting games into kids. We're getting games into kids.

LOL, if that helps you sleep at night then you believe it kid.

Again "You can't expect a player to go out there and not try ... (but) I was asked to do the best thing by the Melbourne Football Club and I did it. I put players in different positions."

I see you're continuing to trying to deflect the conversation. That's how I know I've got you, you don't want to discuss your team because you know I'm right. You're going to continue to bring up things about Melbourne.
One thing I've learnt, tankers never win. Melbourne lost badly when we tried it, now GWS have taken the reigns. What's my evidence? Scully now plays for your mob, on $6m (plus his dad's $)

Now, Sheeds is Sheeds, so Hampton is being turned into a half back flanker. Shockingly, he even is appearing to be good at it. Weirdly, we've also stopped playing Cameron in the back half of the ground. Its almost as if Sheeds is trying to find the best position for kids, as opposed to playing players where they cant play so we lose. Crazy stuff, from Crazy Sheeds, huh.

What, you mean like resting your good players ensuring yet another loss? Your mob was considered a decent chance to beat Melbourne, so what does Sheeds do? Yep, you guessed it, he rested his best player, Cornes, a player who has consistently taken Melbourne to the cleaners. Or better yet, remind me of the team that Sheeds sent to WA to play Fremantle?
GWS isn't tanking, riiiiiiiiight

Tom Scully is *not* on $1.1m this year. He's on a lot more, *this* year. This is because we have the cap room this year, but not in 2014-5, so this is the year he gets paid. In 2014-5, he'll be on a lot less, and the kids will be passing him.

See, I knew you'd know who I was referring to. He's on $6m over 6 years, with $2m in the first. That's $800k a season for the next 5 years. Now, of course you have to add his dad's salary into the equation as well which brings it back up to $910k a season. How's that working out for GWS?
Great move that one, the board was thrilled when they found out about it

Finally, I note your fallback position that we're both the best team ever and will fail to ever win a premiership. Or did I get that the wrong way around.

It's quite simple really, only a moron could get it wrong. GWS are terrible, their % illustrates that they're the worst team since WW1. This is a simple fact and can be easily researched.
The other fact that we know is that the AFL will continue to spend money on GWS until they are successful because of the huge investment they've made.
It's a simple fact of life, GWS will win a premiership (*), the AFL will ensure it. I accept it and fully understand the reasons behind it, the sooner they do it the better for the rest of the competition. Which is why I'm angry at GWS for ****ing up so much already. Ridiculous salaries, dodgey deals, pathetic training grounds.
GWS exists to make the other clubs money.

Toodles, and we still havent lost by 186.

Still trying to deflect huh? Glass jaw Ian, you should get someone to have a look at that.

 

[Demonheart]

GWS are probably only 10-20% worse than most other years' bad teams.

Their % is the worst since teams were decimated by WW1. The only reason why it isn't worse than that is because teams haven't taken them seriously. Look, Melbourne are terrible this year, we are so far behind the rest of the competition, it's just not funny, and depressing. But they were able to completely dismantle GWS, they made us look like a good team. But the worst thing for GWS is that we were actually terrible against them.

They got greedy with picking kids, stuffed up their uncontracted picks (apart from Ward) and have relied on retired players to get them through. It's really sad seeing Jnr running around like he is now knowing what he used to be like.

 

[Partridge]

No idea champ. Sheedy's job is to promote the team and draw publicity - obviously he knows that a bunch of kids aren't going to defeat experienced senior players, but how is he going to sell a team by telling everyone how crap they are?

They're going to be bloody good in the future, they have showed in patches this year how talented they are - give it time and you'll be complaining how good they are.
Hope they cop 5 very heavy losses to finish the season off

No I won't. I never complain about how good the opposition is. First and foremost it means your club isn't doing well enough.

And - they first have to get to that point. Gold Coast were going to be much better this year too apparently. They've gotten worse.

 

[Demonheart]

Doesn't say much for your drafting if you wasted a number 1 pick on a guy who isn't even a good footballer.

We ****ed up, yet again. Just like we did with Morton, and not taking Nicnat. The only saving grace was the compensation we received, I just feel for the doggies, Ward is worth twice of Scully.

Thankfully both recruiting managers who ****ed us up are no longer with the club, one of the first things Neeld did.

 

[UpForGrabs]

They were competitive straight away. 8 wins in year one, 7 in year two, 10 in year three.

Not sure what else they could've done list-wise given the concessions at hand. Delisting Peter Bell was a poor decision, but the old chestnuts of trading the rights to McLeod and drafting Waterhouse over Primus speak to hindsight that every expansion club can rue.

Adelaide chose Mark Viska over Andrew McKay. Port Adelaide ignored one of its own juniors in Byron Pickett. And so on.

If anything they were unlucky there was no glut of great Western Australian players during their great WAFL cherrypick, whereas Port had something of a golden generation to choose from (Tredrea, Lade, Burgoyne, Dew, Wilson, Mead, James, Francou, Eagleton, Harley, et al) despite slightly tougher concessions.

Yeah they were competitive in their first three seasons, but where did that get them?

Their juniors weren't up to scratch, and by the time their forth or fifth seasons came around, a lot of the experienced bodies they'd recruited weren't at the club anymore, and they were left with too few kids and the need to recruit other experienced players. By GWS' forth or fifth season, they'll be in a much better position than the Dockers were.

 

[estibador]

Based on what evidence? Because he got gangtackled five seconds after he first stepped onto the field when he was 18?

Please explain how a guy who's consistently been amongst our best since the start of 2011, and was BOG in both our wins so far this year, somehow "isn't a good footballer". Using substantive argument to justify said claim.

Can't wait to hear this.

In your never-ending zeal to defend Watts you've misinterpreted my post. Go back and read it again.

But you've actually illustrated my point nicely - if Scully was still with you guys you'd be defending him with all the same excuses you use for Watts. But since he left you all deride him as being crap.

 

[Mr Magic]

This thread must be one for the marketeers pumping the egos!!!

There is no way GWS are the worst team. For starters you are comparing wins and losses. Ha Ha since when were wins and losses a measuring stick. The only thing that counts is premierships.

At the end of 2012 if Hawthorn wins the premiership they will be the best team. The next best team will be GWS. Why GWS? Because they are the next best team capable of winning a premiership. Hawthorn might win for a few years , maybe, maybe not but give them a few years and GWS will be up there.

Don't think for a moment GWS are the worst team. Only a fool would ignore the age difference. On pure talent they could be the best team. In 5 years time if mostly the same team team a challenging for the cup are they the worst team earlier??? Hell no..

To be bad you have to be bad for many years. Ask Richmond, St Kilda and other teams in the beginning when the recruiters knew little and shit was brought in moulded and spat out over years and decades. Only then can you appreciate what it takes to form a truely shit team