What tangible onfield benefit do big rich clubs get from being big and rich these days?

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greatwhiteshark

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True, I should have acknowledged that more.

What I meant was they could put more in rather than just building massive reserves.
How much more, there is problems with more as well. Let’s say they put another 2-3 million in a year to WA footy. The WAFC help out country and juniors more and then also the WAFL more. The AFL then come along and say don’t put so much in to theWAFL, we don’t want any strong second tier comps where players can earn a good dollar playing. So in the end all that happens is they spend more on admin and they just got into trouble for wasting money on admin. The WAFC were investigated for spending 60% plus of the funding on admin. It’s all quite a joke.
 

Taylor

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If we invented a new club that was going to be clearing $20m to $30m in profit a season then I'd expect that club to invest that money into individual outside businesses, potentially linked to a sponsor but not absolutely required, such that when a player has retired they can be installed as the owner/operator in effect if not in reality and gain the financial benefit of the investment without needing to have been paid that sum of money during their playing career.

Ideally the club would still retain ownership of the asset on paper for the purposes of potential future leveraging that ownership into grander investment loans and projects - such as building a luxury apartment building - but the financial "dividends" of owning the property would be directed to the former player.

In return the player signs for longer, for less money.
 

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SimpkinByTheDockOfTheBay

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How much more, there is problems with more as well. Let’s say they put another 2-3 million in a year to WA footy. The WAFC help out country and juniors more and then also the WAFL more. The AFL then come along and say don’t put so much in to theWAFL, we don’t want any strong second tier comps where players can earn a good dollar playing. So in the end all that happens is they spend more on admin and they just got into trouble for wasting money on admin. The WAFC were investigated for spending 60% plus of the funding on admin. It’s all quite a joke.
Agree.

West Coast are set up for an AFL that doesn't exist anymore.

It is on the AFL to create an environment for clubs and footy to thrive.
 

greatwhiteshark

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Agree.

West Coast are set up for an AFL that doesn't exist anymore.

It is on the AFL to create an environment for clubs and footy to thrive.
I know many don't like hearing this but I think money will completely take over the sport. The AFL as we know it will eventually be wiped out by money and player greed. It will probably be long after I am no longer around but I just can't see 18 clubs, salary caps etc being part of the game long term. I do see private ownership of clubs and once that happens then it will be all about who has the most money.

Interesting point you made that the Eagles set up for an AFL that doesn't exist anymore, maybe they are setting up for the one of the future? Many will get left behind.
 

Taylor

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I think the AFL will eventually be bought by a forward thinking investor from overseas and the first thing they will do is lower the TPP minimum cap spend to 65% and lift the salary cap to 150% of current - but not offer that extra six to seven million to clubs to cover it.

So clubs won't be required to spend the full 20+ million on salary but if a club wants to then it can. It will shake up the entire league in two to three years. Clubs that aren't financially viable in the new paradigm will go under after their gun players are poached by Collingwood and West Coast offering four players each a million a year.

Then the sport goes global.
 

SimpkinByTheDockOfTheBay

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I know many don't like hearing this but I think money will completely take over the sport. The AFL as we know it will eventually be wiped out by money and player greed. It will probably be long after I am no longer around but I just can't see 18 clubs, salary caps etc being part of the game long term. I do see private ownership of clubs and once that happens then it will be all about who has the most money.

Interesting point you made that the Eagles set up for an AFL that doesn't exist anymore, maybe they are setting up for the one of the future? Many will get left behind.
I reckon money took over the game long ago and the current hard socialist AFL is the outcome.

I honestly don't understand why you think private ownership will ever happen.

MAYBE the AFL would allow it to help out an expansion club like GC or GWS, but even then, minimal.

AFL is about control, not letting other powerful interests into the tent.

Far more likely is the AFL takeover of a club if it can't keep up with the current arrangements.

And that's the thing, the quid pro quo for all on the onfield equalisation that's benefited smaller clubs like the Dees and Dogs is that you have to be a good corporate citizen.

That means not carrying significant debt, playing the AFL's tune on political/social messaging etc.

Say St Kilda can't service its debts without another increase in AFL distribution and a majority of clubs vote against that.

Lindsay Fox then offers to buy the licence. Or the AFL simply says we'll take over control of the club.

Which do you reckon is happening?
 

SimpkinByTheDockOfTheBay

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I think the AFL will eventually be bought by a forward thinking investor from overseas and the first thing they will do is lower the TPP minimum cap spend to 65% and lift the salary cap to 150% of current - but not offer that extra six to seven million to clubs to cover it.

So clubs won't be required to spend the full 20+ million on salary but if a club wants to then it can. It will shake up the entire league in two to three years. Clubs that aren't financially viable in the new paradigm will go under after their gun players are poached by Collingwood and West Coast offering four players each a million a year.

Then the sport goes global.
This is literally impossible.
 

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I know many don't like hearing this but I think money will completely take over the sport. The AFL as we know it will eventually be wiped out by money and player greed. It will probably be long after I am no longer around but I just can't see 18 clubs, salary caps etc being part of the game long term. I do see private ownership of clubs and once that happens then it will be all about who has the most money.

Interesting point you made that the Eagles set up for an AFL that doesn't exist anymore, maybe they are setting up for the one of the future? Many will get left behind.
The number of clubs that can prosper in the national comp are defined by an ability to pull a crowd whilst playing a travelling (as distinct from away) club.
One off flags bring new hope, but the structural problems dont disappear.
 

Kwality

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Fremantle?
Only when making a profit. Freo is in good shape, all things considered.

'Royalties from the WA based AFL clubs dependent on their individual profitability;'
 

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Surely the Eagles should be pumping it into juniour footy in WA.

Rather than stacking it up hoping to buy a Victorian club or some other inane fantasy.
What a ignorant comment
WCE have put more money into junior footy, indigenous footy and charities than any other club in the AFL
bye a very big margin
 

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RedV3x

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I know many don't like hearing this but I think money will completely take over the sport. .
I'm glad you said "completely.
Apart from the GAA, elite sport is all about the money.
For the adjective "completely", I'd suggest A.R.U., NFL and motorsport etc.

The AFL as we know it will eventually be wiped out by money and player greed.
Covid19 was a good opportunity to re-visit distribution and install percentage distribution.
with more emphasis on grassroots and development.

I do see private ownership of clubs and once that happens then it will be all about who has the most money.
I don't see private onwership coming in. It's been tried and failed.
What about a listed company ?
 

SimpkinByTheDockOfTheBay

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The overall cost of the project is $65 million, with $30 million already secured through a combination of state and federal funding.
The redevelopment is good news for the club's AFLW team, with the increased venue capacity meaning more spectators for home games, with new facilities built especially for the Tigers' female players.

The project will also create an underground parking space and provide a home for the Bachar Houli foundation.

Another big club using the North/Dogs model right down to the new changing rooms for W players and community centre.
 

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