What voting Labour does!!!!

[bunsen burner]

As opposed to delusional right wing tossers who need to be laughed at.

Which funnily enough doesn't include me.

 

[mantis]

Which funnily enough doesn't include me.

HA HA riiiiiiight.

 

[- PC -]

Tax boom wasted by states
By Mike Steketee
November 13, 2004
CAPITAL spending by governments on hospitals, schools, railways and electricity has sunk to record lows, despite strong economic growth producing soaring revenues from stamp duties and the GST.

The fall, revealed in Australian Bureau of Statistics figures released yesterday, means Australians will have to cope with substandard infrastructure for years before services improve.

The states are using the money to reduce debt but also to fund large pay increases for public sector employees.

The jump in nurses' and teachers' salaries alone will cost NSW taxpayers an estimated $500million this financial year, as the Government offered significantly more generous pay rises than other states. And the Carr Government also faces turmoil as railway workers demand a 25 per cent pay rise.

And if we changed the headline from this
Tax boom wasted by states to this

Greedy Public Servants Take Money Away From Needy

The whole slant of the story changes....its not Labours fault that Nurses here in WA want a second increase since Labour took over from a nonspending Liberal government and now want a second increase.
Those same nurses who cry about turning people away are quite happy taking the money it seems.

25% ? If I asked for that I would be laughed out of my bosses office..I have had 1 pay rise in 3 years at 2% ,.... wish I studied to be a nurse..and if I didnt like the money I would sit on my @rse and work agency for twice the money

 

[mantis]

I hear what you are saying PAFC, I am on minimum wage where I work, but my boss is small business & can't afford to pay me more, because since little johhny introduced gst it has hit his business hard, he is furious that he voted libs & then johnny changed the rules of gst.

 

[bunsen burner]

he is furious that he voted libs & then johnny changed the rules of gst.

Furious that it's harder for him to cheat the tax man more like it.

 

[mantis]

Furious that it's harder for him to cheat the tax man more like it.

Typical BB, if someone doesn't agree with him, then there is something wrong, well little man, my boss is a great guy, apart from the fact he has always voted liberal, he is a decent human being, he helps out at the animal refuge once a week, sponsors children in third world countries, donates money to the childrens funds here, he is one of the few capitalists I have time for.

Must be hard for you to realise there are actually decent human beings out there, seeing as you are one of the despicable ones.

 

[Tim56]

Not sure about all that Tim. I can't remember the likes of Kennett or Court doing "great things" re services.

I couldn't say re Court, but Kennett did cut spending on services, however, with the perilous situation of the state finances, he needed to. He received a clear mandate to do so in 1992.

I'm a member of a Union, and when I get a payrise, so do all of my non-union colleagues. Can a government give pay rises to Union members and not the non-union members??? Has never happened in my occupation.

Why be part of the union? The difference is that the public sector is dominated by unionists, and as such the Labor governments will always seek to gratify them.

 

[David Votoupal]

Well our railway system (NSW) is seriously screwed, that's for sure.

I wonder if the railway issue alone would be enough to vote Carr out?

 

[mantis]

I couldn't say re Court, but Kennett did cut spending on services, however, with the perilous situation of the state finances, he needed to. He received a clear mandate to do so in 1992.

He cut spending alright, totally buggered up schools & hospitals, but that is the way of the libs, when in need of money, cut spending on public schools & hospitals, if the poor can't afford it, stuff them.

 

[medusala]

He cut spending alright, totally buggered up schools & hospitals, but that is the way of the libs, when in need of money, cut spending on public schools & hospitals, if the poor can't afford it, stuff them.

Education in Victoria was singlehandedly destroyed by the polka dot Marxist. Closing a couple of schools doesnt remotely come close to her determination to make schooling a complete and utter waste of time for every school kid in Victoria. She also had time to bankrupt the state when she was through ruining education.

Kennett undertook an extremely successful privatisation program in utilities and transport, its not his fault that Bracks let the operators out of their contractual obligations.

There is no reason why you cant cut spending and still deliver better services. If simply spending money was the answer then Whitlam would have been one of Australias great PM rather than clearly the worst.

Unfortunately misoligist simpletons like you cant grasp this.

 

[mantis]

Education in Victoria was singlehandedly destroyed by the polka dot Marxist. Closing a couple of schools doesnt remotely come close to her determination to make schooling a complete and utter waste of time for every school kid in Victoria. She also had time to bankrupt the state when she was through ruining education.

Kennett undertook an extremely successful privatisation program in utilities and transport, its not his fault that Bracks let the operators out of their contractual obligations.

There is no reason why you cant cut spending and still deliver better services. If simply spending money was the answer then Whitlam would have been one of Australias great PM rather than clearly the worst.

Unfortunately misoligist simpletons like you cant grasp this.

Unfortunately misoligist simpletoms like you, can't grasp that Kennet F'd education in Victoria.

 

[MGREG]

I would see Tim56 as being a credible rightwinger, even Jane at times. The real "crazy's" on this site are right-wing. Ever heard of agitator, miller, fraudo, mgreg, blueboy83, eastaugh36, arks, black panther, bunsen burner, David Votoupal, MEDUSALA etc.

That's funny coming from Stalin himself.

 

[hoss]

That's funny coming from Stalin himself.

And that's even funnier from you, given the reasons that my family had to flee Poland.

 

[MGREG]

And that's even funnier from you, given the reasons that my family had to flee Poland.

Hey if you want to put a silly label on me, why cant I do it to you?

 

[hoss]

Hey if you want to put a silly label on me, why cant I do it to you?

OK MGREG.... your posts are often to the far right, but I can understand, due to your families history back in Albania your fear of the "left".

I don't equate communism with socialism, and certainly not with the ALP in Australia. Murderers and oppressive governments can be left / right, black / white, any religion, any race.

 

[bunsen burner]

I wonder if the railway issue alone would be enough to vote Carr out?

The railway system has always been bad in Sydney. They have a bad culture and we know that cultures can't be changed over night. Carr has offered these monkeys a generous 12% pay rise and they are still refusing to take it. Simply outrageous.

The sad state of NSW hospitals should be enough to vote Carr out except that the opposition are a bunch of losers.

 

[bunsen burner]

I don't equate communism with socialism

Why not?

 

[Frodo]

Given your righteous indignation in the first post, will we see you voting for the Gallop government at the next poll? After all, they're the ones who actually got off their arses and started the southern suburbs railway - one huge project.

There is a 30% chance of my doing so, indeed. Although Gallop Inc is hugely dishonest, Barnett seens hugely incompetent. I agree that the rail line is a feather in Labours cap.

In reality, unless Liberals agree to accept the referendum outcome on deregulation then I will vote Labour for sure.

ps I like the Belltower, it adds character to Perth. What about the Sydney Opera house. Was that a lame duck too?

 

[Frodo]

Unfortunately misoligist simpletoms like you, can't grasp that Kennet F'd education in Victoria.

But if you open your eyes you will see that medusala is 100% correct in what he says.

ps what is a misogilist...and wouldnt that make you a mrsogilist? [or msogilist]

 

[Frodo]

The railway system has always been bad in Sydney. They have a bad culture and we know that cultures can't be changed over night. Carr has offered these monkeys a generous 12% pay rise and they are still refusing to take it. Simply outrageous.

The sad state of NSW hospitals should be enough to vote Carr out except that the opposition are a bunch of losers.

You wouldn't believe how the unions control Maintrain and how nasty the people are to deal with , despite the fact they will pay 4 times going price for goods without battering an eyelid. (Hence handling the attitudes is rewarding)

 

[hoss]

Why not?

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was replying to MGREG and should of stated that I don't equate socialism with the communist regime that tortured, killed some of his family back in Albania.

 

[hoss]

I couldn't say re Court, but Kennett did cut spending on services, however, with the perilous situation of the state finances, he needed to. He received a clear mandate to do so in 1992.



Why be part of the union? The difference is that the public sector is dominated by unionists, and as such the Labor governments will always seek to gratify them.

I'm a member of a union because they provide support, strength and unity. If they became too militant, I would consider quitting - like when I quit Rural Action when they tried to block traffic in Perth and blow up railway lines.

This may seem funny to you but I belong to 3 unions - the WA Farmers Federation, the SSTUWA and WAPPA (WA Primary Principals Association).

In my current job as a principal, any parent or student could whip up an abuse charge or something, and I'd be really appreciative that a Union could help me fight it. You just wouldn't have the time, money or clout as an individual to do anything about it.

Funnily enough, I never had any pressure put on me to join a union but my employer did try and pressure me into signing an individual workplace agreement. While I realise that Unions do often pressure employees, it just goes to show that it can go both ways.

 

[Tim56]

I'm a member of a union because they provide support, strength and unity. If they became too militant, I would consider quitting - like when I quit Rural Action when they tried to block traffic in Perth and blow up railway lines.

This may seem funny to you but I belong to 3 unions - the WA Farmers Federation, the SSTUWA and WAPPA (WA Primary Principals Association).

In my current job as a principal, any parent or student could whip up an abuse charge or something, and I'd be really appreciative that a Union could help me fight it. You just wouldn't have the time, money or clout as an individual to do anything about it.

Funnily enough, I never had any pressure put on me to join a union but my employer did try and pressure me into signing an individual workplace agreement. While I realise that Unions do often pressure employees, it just goes to show that it can go both ways.

Interesting...

 

[hoss]

Interesting...

What my farming, private school, conservative background - considering I now lean to the left.

Being coerced into signing an individual workplace agreement is actually illegal, but summing up the situation I felt that it was the actions of an over zealous individual rather than a push from the higher levels of the organisation. So I just refused to sign but didn't take any action.

 

[medusala]

Funnily enough, I never had any pressure put on me to join a union but my employer did try and pressure me into signing an individual workplace agreement. While I realise that Unions do often pressure employees, it just goes to show that it can go both ways.

I had a job in the public service for 6 mths after leaving uni, where I was forced to be a member of the student union. I reckon I was the only person in the building who didnt join the union (must have been a few thousand in the building). Whilst they didnt try and force me to join, I know of others who were forced to join and it was made pretty clear to me that I wasnt a team player, it wasnt in my best interests etc.

Whilst studying I had a job on a hops farm. The union dues were taken out of my pay illegally without anyone even asking me to join a union. I also briefly had a job on the docks where it was extremely clear, no ticket no start.

I reckon you could find many examples of no ticket no start still in Australia.