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- Mar 1, 2010
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did Adelaide think we were an easy kill in 2017 in the yellow??
they had the power stance and where pre-game favourites.
I cannot speak for the overall atmosphere but we where down for so long the fear of losing did not enter my mind because we where beaten up for so long we did not even have a shoulder to put a chip on did we?
Was it Grant Thomas who said words to effect one of the weakest premiership wins only for our team to win premierships two more times?
Whatever Grant said, I did not care, I was off the canvas and starting to breathe again
The club must not have been affected by Grant putting us down if we won in 2019 and 2020. Grant Thomas did not fear us, and we won in 2019 and 2020
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Why? There have been so many clubs fall in to this stupid trap, heap pressure on themselves when there is a mistep. the only bloke that got it significantly right was Benny and even that took 7 years, almost lost a coach along the way. Review all you want but to publicly state a bunch of arbitray milestones as targets along the way they do or don't have anything to do with the actual trajectory is really really stupid. We would barely have met any of the things we needed to do by the end of 2016 which is why many were calling (including most of the great unwashed on here) for Dimma and everyone else's head. Luckily, the club knew better and backed themselves in.
Reviews should be for the leaders to check how they are progressig, not for the members of footy forums.
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Where did I say that it should be made explicitly public?
I think some transparency is good to keep people informed but if they shared even a framework of how they review the operation along with a perspective of how they seek out best practice across the industry then we know we are getting best of both worlds.
I am not advocating change for changes sake but an openness to tweaking along the way where necessary.
I find it amazing that people cannot grasp the concept of continuous improvement and the role of reviews to help facilitate that approach.
I did get some some good intel on the logic for Yze’s reappointment and how we are planning our list management in the longer term so it makes a little more sense and explains why the need for a review is probably better after next year but the point still holds.
You don’t get better building a plan and mindlessly following it until it’s too late.
We did that with the women’s program and we are now back to square one. Disaster.
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The AFLW and men’s teams are quite different. The men’s team is coming off success and had 1000 games of experience leave which where replaced with youth . Honestly, they can’t be compared. As I’ve said, the club will review the situation at the end of each season. That’s all that’s needed for now.
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It all falls under the one club. I guess we can agree to disagree.
I am of the view that you cannot be too vigilant when you are so far off the top clubs. We have a lot of ground to make up - not just the age demographics of the list
I am of the view that you cannot be too vigilant when you are so far off the top clubs. We have a lot of ground to make up - not just the age demographics of the list
I literally bolded where you said it.
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What i mean by that was that I would like made transparent the milestones along the way.
Take the 3-0-75 as one example of what I meant.
In your words that was a “stupid trap” but to me
Benny was courageous and purposeful when he made those goals clear.
He also put the club out there which was brave.
It gave us a sense of the broader vision and the milestones that would help define how we get there.
There doesn’t have to be the warts and all of the football program.
We haven’t given any transparency at all.
If I am being harsh, it’s a “trust me, we’ll be fine “ msg which is what Greg Miller and Terry Wallace did.
I think we are better than that but we wouldn’t know based on what has been communicated
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Are you too young to remember the many many 5 year plans that RFC and others came out with? This was literally the only time one of these has ever worked out. The fact that you think the club needs to have KPIs or targets that are said publicly is the laughable thing. They will have their internal indicators but that 10 years, 5 finals series, 3 flags stuff ain't going to be said in public again and it shouldn't either.
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There was never a plan of any substance until Benny and Dimma arrived.
There was never a culture of sticking the plan out until Peggy arrived.
What I really liked about 3-0-75 was the way they communicated how they were going to get there.
And not just the flags.
Getting to debt to zero was an enormous effort as was getting to 75,000 members.
Both worked in tandem to create the platform to invest into the infrastructure required to compete on field (reserves team, reconfiguration of punt rd oval and new facilities).
We all talk up the flags but we also played in 8 finals campaigns which was a phenomenal effort.
Vision, plan, relentless execution
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clear communication and the balls to hold the line.
Sorry mate but if you think that wasn’t instrumental in our success then you are Brett Deludeioed
There was never a culture of sticking the plan out until Peggy arrived.
What I really liked about 3-0-75 was the way they communicated how they were going to get there.
And not just the flags.
Getting to debt to zero was an enormous effort as was getting to 75,000 members.
Both worked in tandem to create the platform to invest into the infrastructure required to compete on field (reserves team, reconfiguration of punt rd oval and new facilities).
We all talk up the flags but we also played in 8 finals campaigns which was a phenomenal effort.
Vision, plan, relentless execution
AND
clear communication and the balls to hold the line.
Sorry mate but if you think that wasn’t instrumental in our success then you are Brett Deludeioed
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Noone seems able or wants to answer the question of why wait until we become a basket case before we review.
Being 2nd last after being last should invite constructive scrutiny. Let’s support the program by proactively reviewing it. As previously mentioned, some intel from the club has explained why coach was reappointed and also explains the need to go after free agency will be delayed until we have finished rebuilding of Punt Rd as this facility is expected to be a major drawcard. So, based on those factors, I have previously conceded a review probably appropriate in 12 months just to make sure everything in order ahead of a major strike at the end of 2027.
Being 2nd last after being last should invite constructive scrutiny. Let’s support the program by proactively reviewing it. As previously mentioned, some intel from the club has explained why coach was reappointed and also explains the need to go after free agency will be delayed until we have finished rebuilding of Punt Rd as this facility is expected to be a major drawcard. So, based on those factors, I have previously conceded a review probably appropriate in 12 months just to make sure everything in order ahead of a major strike at the end of 2027.
Stop bumping your own thread, let it die
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If you don’t like a democracy go live in Victoria. Oh.
I'm pretty sure he is talking to himself now. Let him go, some clouds need to be yelled at by old men (or younger internet posters who can't let their idea go even though everyone has provided valid reasons why it's not necessary at this juncture)
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Fair enough.
I have been around for a long time. Have seen us get it right and wrong over the past 50 years.
Have been on this site for ages.
I don’t post here often but when I do it’s been thought through.
I currently see a malaise in our clubs thinking since Peggy left.
I would argue my points are valid - not necessarily right in the opinion of others - but valid in so much as having been considered.
In a debate, you don’t have to win in order to progress the thinking. On both sides.
It’s a shame some can be bothered to consider another view.
That’s was actually the point of the OP.
Yelling at clouds is what Graeme Richmomd did.
Look where he ended up.
I have been around for a long time. Have seen us get it right and wrong over the past 50 years.
Have been on this site for ages.
I don’t post here often but when I do it’s been thought through.
I currently see a malaise in our clubs thinking since Peggy left.
I would argue my points are valid - not necessarily right in the opinion of others - but valid in so much as having been considered.
In a debate, you don’t have to win in order to progress the thinking. On both sides.
It’s a shame some can be bothered to consider another view.
That’s was actually the point of the OP.
Yelling at clouds is what Graeme Richmomd did.
Look where he ended up.
i think we should review when the ball's clearly hit the pads in line with middle stump shane watson style
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